December 3, 20214 yr Estimations of higher transmissibility based on immune escape look legit so far. Most likely need to bank on mild pathogenicity until a targeted booster is available. Not the basket I wanted all our eggs in, but such is life.
December 3, 20214 yr 31 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: The vaccine "mandate" allows for both vaccinated and unvaccinated employees. Unvaccinated employees must submit to regular testing en lieu of being vaccinated. Now, there are some companies who have their own policies that will not allow for unvaccinated employees at all. But that's not how the OSHA mandate works. I work for a very large company and we follow OSHA guidelines. I suspect that's how most large organizations have chosen to go. I get all that. I was just surprised mine was taking an all or nothing approach. We have enough employees to start a small city. Didn't know if others are experiencing the same thing. Personally, I don't care. I got my 3rd shot. Hell, I got my first shot before most. Just caught me off gaurd.
December 3, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, paco said: I get all that. I was just surprised mine was taking an all or nothing approach. We have enough employees to start a small city. Yeah I'd be curious to hear how that conversation went when the decision makers were talking about how they wanted to proceed.
December 3, 20214 yr my employers, all private, have issues no mandate at all. I don't personally care so much because I'm never in the office. my wife's employer, also private, actually supplies their entire workforce with at-home saliva test kits that they submit each week and requires vaccinations for all employees.
December 3, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, paco said: I'm literally almost a 100 pages behind in this thread so if this was talked about, I don't apologize. Are people here experiencing mandatory vaccinations with their companies? For the past 3 months I was on paternity leave and was Mr Mom full time (minus working on moving and renovating out old townhouse to rent). I get back from paternity leave last week and my boss sends me an urgent email "I need you to upload your proof of vaccination ASAP. It's due by 12/3". Sure, no problem, I'll get to that once I blow through a few thousand emails and 6 mandatory training courses that piled up while I was out. That was last week. Yesterday I finally got around to uploading my evidence to the portal. Then I decide to purge my inbox of the dozen or so "update you vaccination status" emails that have been apparently been sent starting back in October. I open one up and I come to find out that if we didn't do it by 12/3, we would be put on unpaid leave starting 12/9. I had no clue this was going down since I was out. For a while there I was toying with the idea of extending my leave by taking remaining vacation (I could in theory be out until mid February if I wanted to be) and really glad I didn't because work could have "fixed the glitch" on me and start to withhold paychecks. Yup. We have until 12/8 to be fully vaccinated. The only way to get out of the vaccine at our company is a religious exemption. I imagine the J&J vaccine was very popular a week ago. I'll report back how many employees the company actually loses. Also, your boss failed you big time without reaching out to you while you were out.
December 3, 20214 yr My employer is constantly reminding employees to submit their vaccination records for official office re-opening purposes and has released a bunch of statements saying they're reviewing Biden's order and will provide updates when they know more.
December 3, 20214 yr 19 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Yup. We have until 12/8 to be fully vaccinated. The only way to get out of the vaccine at our company is a religious exemption. I imagine the J&J vaccine was very popular a week ago. I'll report back how many employees the company actually loses. Dumb question. If you got J&J 12/7, would you be considered "fully vaccinated" even though the shot needs a week or two to get to that point? 19 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Also, your boss failed you big time without reaching out to you while you were out. Meh, he's retiring. I get it
December 3, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, paco said: Dumb question. If you got J&J 12/7, would you be considered "fully vaccinated" even though the shot needs a week or two to get to that point? No, you would have gotten it 2 weeks before that 12/8 date. If anyone isn't vaccinated by now (and doesn't have an exemption) they're gone. 1 minute ago, paco said: Meh, he's retiring. I get it Oh yeah? You going to be the new boss?
December 3, 20214 yr 17 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Oh yeah? You going to be the new boss? I'm a boss, not the boss
December 3, 20214 yr Just now, paco said: I'm a boss, not the boss Sounds like you have to climb until you are THE boss.
December 3, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Estimations of higher transmissibility based on immune escape look legit so far. Most likely need to bank on mild pathogenicity until a targeted booster is available. Not the basket I wanted all our eggs in, but such is life. If they were all vaccinated and tested ahead of time, but 50 people still got infected, wouldn't that also call into question the accuracy of the tests?
December 3, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: My employer is constantly reminding employees to submit their vaccination records for official office re-opening purposes and has released a bunch of statements saying they're reviewing Biden's order and will provide updates when they know more. You've already been vaccinated, so you're good.
December 3, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: If they were all vaccinated, they all tested ahead of time, and 50 people still got infected, wouldn't that also call into question the accuracy of the tests? Likely indicates only one or two carriers. False negatives in rapid antigen tests aren't that uncommon, but more than a few in this small of a subset would be strange. If they were all using PCRs, then yeah that would be an issue. Also didn't say how recent the tests were done.
December 3, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Likely indicates only one or two carriers. False negatives in rapid antigen tests aren't that uncommon, but more than one or two in this small of a subset would be strange. If they were all using PCRs, then yeah that would be an issue. Yeah, I think we're going to have to get more serious about the level of testing we're using if we're really gonna clamp down on this during the winter
December 3, 20214 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: Yeah, I really think we're going to have to get more serious about the level of testing we're using if we're really gonna clamp down on this during the wint.er Agreed 100%. Unfortunately, we seem to be even worse at testing capacity and coverage than we are at vaccination coverage.
December 3, 20214 yr New Harvard study declares winner between Pfizer and Moderna vaccines A team of researchers from Harvard Medical School and the Harvard T.H. Chan School of public health recently published a study claiming the Moderna vaccine is slightly better than Pfizer. https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/584071-new-harvard-study-declares-winner-between-pfizer
December 3, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: New Harvard study declares winner between Pfizer and Moderna vaccines A team of researchers from Harvard Medical School and the Harvard T.H. Chan School of public health recently published a study claiming the Moderna vaccine is slightly better than Pfizer. https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/584071-new-harvard-study-declares-winner-between-pfizer They only included Moderna and Pfizer because J&J is already far better than both.
December 3, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, Paul852 said: They only included Moderna and Pfizer because J&J is already far better than both. J&J is for poor people.
December 3, 20214 yr 36 minutes ago, Paul852 said: They only included Moderna and Pfizer because J&J is already far better than both. No it's not. And if you got J&J before, you should be getting a Moderna or Pfizer booster stat.
December 3, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, toolg said: No it's not. And if you got J&J before, you should be getting a Moderna or Pfizer booster stat. It was a joke. Was that really not clear?
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