December 14, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: This. People won't take a free vaccine because they aren't sick and would rather listen to idiots. Once they get sick? Different ballgame. Therapeutics were always the missing piece to get us out of this. Really though we are out of it, seems the vaccines prevent serious illness even for omicron, the ones that are really in it still are unvaxxed. These Blue state have to stop with blanket mask mandates and leave it to local areas.
December 14, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Really though we are out of it, seems the vaccines prevent serious illness even for omicron, the ones that are really in it still are unvaxxed. These Blue state have to stop with blanket mask mandates and leave it to local areas. Agree 100%. We have to stop bending over backwards to protect idiots from the consequences of their own choices. Just let insurance stop paying for treatment for the unvaccinated already.
December 14, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Really though we are out of it, seems the vaccines prevent serious illness even for omicron, the ones that are really in it still are unvaxxed. These Blue state have to stop with blanket mask mandates and leave it to local areas. Problem is, even though our individual risk may be low for those of us who are boosted, governors are still in a predicament due to how transmissible omicron is. So far, it's looking like the net effect is a wash from what little we know so far, which means overwhelmed hospitals are still an issue they have to deal with. Looking like this may not end up being the deus ex machina we were all hoping for.
December 14, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, mikemack8 said: I'm not arguing anything, idiot. I'm just pointing out how hilarious it is that all these pharmaceuticals keep telling us how effective all these treatments are, and you idiots keep lapping it all up. First it was that the vaccines were 90+% effective, then you needed a booster, then a second booster. Now there's a pill. LMAO - it's never going to end. Yeah it's totally weird how pharmaceutical companies would attempt to produce vaccines and treatments for a virus causing a global pandemic. Must be a conspiracy. 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Agree 100%. We have to stop bending over backwards to protect idiots from the consequences of their own choices. Just let insurance stop paying for treatment for the unvaccinated already. Medicare should stop covering Covid treatments for the unvaccinated.
December 14, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Problem is, even though our individual risk may be low for those of us who are boosted, governors are still in a predicament due to how transmissible omicron is. So far, it's looking like the net effect is a wash from what little we know so far, which means overwhelmed hospitals are still an issue they have to deal with. Looking like this may not end up being the deus ex machina we were all hoping for. Yes Hospitals overwhelmed because of the unvaxxed, they need to be punished and not everyone, looks like in Toronto they may not allow fans again even the vaxxed, things like this are going to get people mad and what happens is right wing loons will get voted in all over, Apple stores now limiting occupancy again for everyone. Time to stop treating the unvaxxed and vaxxed alike
December 14, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Problem is, even though our individual risk may be low for those of us who are boosted, governors are still in a predicament due to how transmissible omicron is. So far, it's looking like the net effect is a wash from what little we know so far, which means overwhelmed hospitals are still an issue they have to deal with. Looking like this may not end up being the deus ex machina we were all hoping for. Prioritize the responsible people who got vaccinated for hospital beds. Problem solved.
December 14, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Yes Hospitals overwhelmed because of the unvaxxed, they need to be punished and not everyone, looks like in Toronto they may not allow fans again even the vaxxed, things like this are going to get people mad and what happens is right wing loons will get voted in all over, Apple stores now limiting occupancy again for everyone. Time to stop treating the unvaxxed and vaxxed alike Nope. I know you're really old/overweight, but get in shape. Start taking Vitamin D and zinc regularly. Get the vaccine and get the booster as soon as you're eligible. Live and let live.
December 14, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Yeah it's totally weird how pharmaceutical companies would attempt to produce vaccines and treatments for a virus causing a global pandemic. Must be a conspiracy. Medicare should stop covering Covid treatments for the unvaccinated. Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, etc. And let private insurance companies deny coverage if they want to. We have to stop inconveniencing everyone due to the choices of a few. Don't want to get vaxxed -- fine by me. But decisions have consequences.
December 14, 20214 yr Just now, vikas83 said: Prioritize the responsible people who got vaccinated for hospital beds. Problem solved. "Prioritize the responsible" so anyone over 300 should be last on the list for a hospital bed, too.
December 14, 20214 yr Just now, Kz! said: "Prioritize the responsible" so anyone over 300 should be last on the list for a hospital bed, too. I have no problem with insurance companies charging an obesity premium. Or a premium for smokers. Decisions have consequences. But good to see you're on board with denying access to those who choose to remain unvaccinated.
December 14, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I have no problem with insurance companies charging an obesity premium. Or a premium for smokers. Decisions have consequences. But good to see you're on board with denying access to those who choose to remain unvaccinated. He has to check his Qanon handbook for what it says, these people don't have thoughts on their own.
December 14, 20214 yr Anyone dealing with this: Have a pair of family members who are in their 70, were good about getting their COVID shots but *refuse* to get a flu shot. When I point out that the flu can be deadly for people in their age group the answer I got was "Oh, I'm one of those people who got the flu shot once and then got the flu" 7 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I have no problem with insurance companies charging an obesity premium. Or a premium for smokers. Decisions have consequences. But good to see you're on board with denying access to those who choose to remain unvaccinated. Doesn't this happen already? I feel like there is a question about if I smoke every year when I set up my benefit elections.
December 14, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Prioritize the responsible people who got vaccinated for hospital beds. Problem solved. Sure, but it's still a bit more complicated than that when you've got hospital staffs severely shorthanded and the ones still there suffering from massive burn out. They can't turn away these idiots, so as long as they keep showing up at the ER in droves, the problem remains.
December 14, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: He has to check his Qanon handbook for what it says, these people don't have thoughts on their own. It probably says you should avoid being fat and old. Try it, maybe?
December 14, 20214 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Sure, but it's still a bit more complicated than that when you've got hospital staffs severely shorthanded and the ones still there suffering from massive burn out. They can't turn away these idiots, so as long as they keep showing up at the ER in droves, the problem remains. Change EMTALA and let them suffer. I'm done giving a damn about idiots (if I ever did).
December 14, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, paco said: Doesn't this happen already? I feel like there is a question about if I smoke every year when I set up my benefit elections. Some company's have a surcharge for smokers.
December 14, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Some company's have a surcharge for smokers. Ours does. I always answer "no" since I assume they mean tobacco.
December 14, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, paco said: Ours does. I always answer "no" since I assume they mean tobacco. Yeah we had 3 options if I remember. No. Yes and pay the surcharge (I want to say 600 a year). Or yes and you want assistance quitting. I think if you took the assistance you could avoid the surcharge for a year. We also had to get a wellness exam every year or pay a surcharge.
December 14, 20214 yr 29 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Change EMTALA and let them suffer. I'm done giving a damn about idiots (if I ever did). Sure, but governors hands are tied in that regard. Most pragmatic option available to most of them are to encourage booster uptake and continue NPIs that we're all tired of. There are still failures at every level of government and it looks like omicron will only continue to expose them. The price we all pay for living amongst the dumbest collection of morons in this nation's history.
December 14, 20214 yr 29 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Change EMTALA and let them suffer. I'm done giving a damn about idiots (if I ever did). What goes around comes around.
December 14, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Procus said: What goes around comes around. Yeah, if they ever deny payment to healthy, vaccinated people we will be in big trouble.
December 14, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, Procus said: What goes around comes around. I don't plan on becoming a poor imbecile, so I'm good. But best of luck to you.
December 14, 20214 yr A good friend of mine just lost his dad today. Was over 70, refused the vaccine (big Trump supporter).
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