7 minutes ago, Procus said:

Watch the knee jerkers here blanketly defend Fauci (while crying about Covid and blaming conservatives for its spread), all the while, absolving Fauci for all of his double talk, misdeeds and bureaucratic incompetence.  And of course because Rand Paul is a conservative, the fact that he's a vision means nothing because he's an eye doctor.  For the life of me, I can't see how somebody can take issue with prioritizing treatment for the sick.  Oh yeah - if people didn't get the vaccine, they don't deserve insurance coverage.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rand-paul-thousands-monthly-covid-deaths-fauci-vaccine-bias

Rand Paul pins blame for thousands of monthly COVID deaths on Fauci over longstanding biases

Paul says Fauci has a long history of bias toward vaccines

The NIH is a for profit corporation in the business of selling vaccines. Anthony Fauci is doing what he's done for thirty years- sell the product of his company. Instead of Rand Paul attacking Fauci, he should tell the truth about the NIH, the CDC and a punch of other corporations who are bilking the American people behind a veneer of public office.

19 minutes ago, Procus said:

Watch the knee jerkers here blanketly defend Fauci (while crying about Covid and blaming conservatives for its spread), all the while, absolving Fauci for all of his double talk, misdeeds and bureaucratic incompetence.  And of course because Rand Paul is a conservative, the fact that he's a vision means nothing because he's an eye doctor.  For the life of me, I can't see how somebody can take issue with prioritizing treatment for the sick.  Oh yeah - if people didn't get the vaccine, they don't deserve insurance coverage.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rand-paul-thousands-monthly-covid-deaths-fauci-vaccine-bias

Rand Paul pins blame for thousands of monthly COVID deaths on Fauci over longstanding biases

Paul says Fauci has a long history of bias toward vaccines

Doctors do tend to have biases towards medicines and treatments that actually work yes. Excellent observation Shadowfax. 

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Doctors do tend to have biases towards medicines and treatments that actually work yes. Excellent observation Shadowfax. 

Medical mistakes caused by doctors are also the third leading cause of death in the U.S., proving that they are fallible and human.  Next time a joker like this guy tries to tell you that doctors are gods who cannot be questioned, remind him or her of this.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don’t want you to know about

Key Points

• A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.
• Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.
• Advocates are fighting back, pushing for greater legislation for patient safety.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

Medical mistakes caused by doctors are also the third leading cause of death in the U.S., proving that they are fallible and human.  Next time a joker like this guy tries to tell you that doctors are gods who cannot be questioned, remind him or her of this.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don’t want you to know about

Key Points

• A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.
• Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.
• Advocates are fighting back, pushing for greater legislation for patient safety.

Much better to trust Joe Rogan and your local farm supply store manager. 

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Much better to trust Joe Rogan and your local farm supply store manager. 

Maybe better to use common sense, talk to a few people, investigate a few resources and find a physician who you have confidence in.

5 minutes ago, Procus said:

Maybe better to use common sense, talk to a few people, investigate a few resources and find a physician who you have confidence in.

Any doctors pushing antiparasitics as treatment for a virus isn't one you should have confidence in. 

And no, "common sense" doesn't come close to virology/epidemiology training. Absolutely insane that people still somehow think that the "common sense" of guys who couldn't pass a highschool biology test means F all compared to the position of the vast majority of doctors. 

1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said:

Smoke n mow, lose a toe.

Buddy of mine slipped on wet grass and chopped his three middle toes.  We used to joke about him becoming a Longhorn fan and his wife becoming a Wichita State fan.

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

Any doctors pushing antiparasitics as treatment for a virus isn't one you should have confidence in. 

And no, "common sense" doesn't come close to virology/epidemiology training. Absolutely insane that people still somehow think that the "common sense" of guys who couldn't pass a highschool biology test means F all compared to the position of the vast majority of doctors. 

You're a pediatrician.  You're not a virologist.  You've also said hardly anything about treatment of people infected except when pressed on the topic.  And there are a lot of people getting sick with Covid.  That makes you suspect in my opinion.  Others are entitled to their own opinions.

1 minute ago, Procus said:

You're a pediatrician.  You're not a virologist.  You've also said hardly anything about treatment of people infected except when pressed on the topic.  And there are a lot of people getting sick with Covid.  That makes you suspect in my opinion.  Others are entitled to their own opinions.

You know who are virologists and epidemiologists? The people writing the COVID policies for the CDC. 

I've also talked about treatments plenty on here. I just don't perseverate on the ones that don't work but for some reason you insist on focusing on. 

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Any doctors pushing antiparasitics as treatment for a virus isn't one you should have confidence in. 

And no, "common sense" doesn't come close to virology/epidemiology training. Absolutely insane that people still somehow think that the "common sense" of guys who couldn't pass a highschool biology test means F all compared to the position of the vast majority of doctors. 

This is one of the most ignorant statements you could make. There are literally thousands of medications with dual usage. Medications are created for use with one condition but then often found to be effective in treating something else entirely. Take something simple like aspirin. Aspirin was produced as a analgesic but can be used as an anticoagulant. Aspirin has literally saved lives when used for something other than what it was created for. 

Discrediting this phenomena for political reasons is criminal. 

8 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

This is one of the most ignorant statements you could make. There are literally thousands of medications with dual usage. Medications are created for use with one condition but then often found to be effective in treating something else entirely. Take something simple like aspirin. Aspirin was produced as a analgesic but can be used as an anticoagulant. Aspirin has literally saved lives when used for something other than what it was created for. 

Discrediting this phenomena for political reasons is criminal. 

Yes, and there's usually supporting evidence that shows that the medication is effective in treating those conditions....

12 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

This is one of the most ignorant statements you could make. There are literally thousands of medications with dual usage. Medications are created for use with one condition but then often found to be effective in treating something else entirely. Take something simple like aspirin. Aspirin was produced as a analgesic but can be used as an anticoagulant. Aspirin has literally saved lives when used for something other than what it was created for. 

Discrediting this phenomena for political reasons is criminal. 

I'm discrediting it because there is no sufficient data to show it works.  Not even remotely on the level of vaccines, certain antivirals, steroids or MAbs. Continuing to present it as such is simply moronic.

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Yes, and there's usually supporting evidence that shows that the medication is effective in treating those conditions....

Ask those in Singapore or India if there's any indication horse de-wormer might serve as an effective therapeutic. Ignoring the evidence is not the same as it not existing. 

3 people in the office are positive. Happy I haven’t been in the office since the 20th. 

Just now, DEagle7 said:

I'm discrediting it because there is no sufficient data to show it works.  Not even remotely on the level of vaccines, certain antivirals, steroids or MAbs. Continuing to present it as such is simply moronic.

Not sufficient data? Hmm, that is not the same as no data at all.

Then consider that the NIH is in the business of selling vaccines.

Sorry if I'm late on this, but wtf is the CDC doing???

 

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 On Monday we got one of the biggest shifts yet: Infected people, who had long been told to isolate for at least 10 days, now have to isolate for only five days if they feel fine, regardless of vaccination status.

 

46 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

You know who are virologists and epidemiologists? The people writing the COVID policies for the CDC. 

I've also talked about treatments plenty on here. I just don't perseverate on the ones that don't work but for some reason you insist on focusing on. 

Here's where you fail on our discussion today - I posted an article, which has not been refuted, that medical errors are the third leading cause of death after heart attacks and cancer.  That's astounding.  I used that to refute your pompous statements about how infallible doctors are.  Your rebuttal is Joe Rogan, who I didn't even know existed until a few months ago.  I then suggested that a patient conduct independent research and inform himself, be his or her own advocate and then find a doctor that he or she has confidence in.  Absolutely irrefutable advice.  Instead of taking that, and perhaps supplementing it with your own take - you attack it. 

As for the people writing Covid policy for the CDC, they are the virologists and epidemologists who couldn't cut it in the private sector.

Well let me repeat, medical errors are the third leading cause of death in this country.  Doctors are not gods and make mistakes - frequently.

 

1 hour ago, Abracadabra said:

The NIH is a for profit corporation in the business of selling vaccines. Anthony Fauci is doing what he's done for thirty years- sell the product of his company. Instead of Rand Paul attacking Fauci, he should tell the truth about the NIH, the CDC and a punch of other corporations who are bilking the American people behind a veneer of public office.

I'm old enough to remember when Fauci's advice to take AZT accelerated the decline and death of countless patients early on during the AIDS epidemic.

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

Doctors do tend to have biases towards medicines and treatments that actually work yes. Excellent observation Shadowfax. 

I haven't heard anything about eating healthy foods and exercise which is a treatment. 

3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I haven't heard anything about eating healthy foods and exercise which is a treatment. 

If your doctor isn't talking to you regularly about eating healthy foods and exercise you should find a new one. 

And those are preventatives. Not treatment. Also not things that can be acutely changed unlike vaccine immunity or medications

Who saw this coming? 
 

Oh right, everyone. Thankfully he will still hit the 75%
 

 

2 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

Ishlibs getting triggered by Kz! owning a zero turn, then bragging about mowing while high in a pathetic attempt to sound cool is peak CVON.  Well done.  

I have SIX 80v Greenworks batteries because im not a poor

Just now, vikas83 said:

Who saw this coming? 
 

Oh right, everyone. Thankfully he will still hit the 75%
 

 

He hit is 2 games ago, I think. 

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

If your doctor isn't talking to you regularly about eating healthy foods and exercise you should find a new one. 

And those are preventatives. Not treatment. Also not things that can be acutely changed unlike vaccine immunity or medications

The only way we will change behavior is through negative consequences. Let insurance companies charge an obesity premium. 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Who saw this coming? 
 

Oh right, everyone. Thankfully he will still hit the 75%
 

 

Lose out and miss the playoffs?