6 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Observational studies without control groups don’t show causation, that shows CORRELATION.

Correlation isn’t evidence that proves that something works.  It’s a starting point that leads to further evaluation to see if there is CAUSATION. 

I can run a study that evaluates all 32 NFL teams that shows that teams that have their QB kneel the ball in the second half are victorious 100% of the time.  
Does this mean that there is evidence that proves that kneeling the ball in the 2nd half causes NFL teams to be win games?   If an nfl team tried employing the strategy of kneeling the ball to start the 3rd quarter, do you think that would lead to them winning the game?  Or does my study simply show correlation between kneeling the football and winning football games.

That's fine. Studies should definitely be performed. However, in the midst of a global shutdown, something disrupting the lives and businesses of untold millions, should we wait for all of this investigation to be completed or is it reasonable to extend emergency consideration given the stakes involved? There's emergency authorization for an experimental vaccine for this very reason. Why not the same for a well known drug?

7 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Making wegottabelieve feel like a big boy

i was actually reacting to the tatas, but carry on. 

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

i was actually reacting to the tatas, but carry on. 

 I know 

24 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Joe Rogan is awesome. This is the way I feel being lectured by the slobs in here.

B***h please!  

Shh.  Not trusting pharmaceutical companies is a right wing conspiracy.  Just ask any of libs on this thread.

47 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

what the hell, slacker?

Being one of the 2 partners has its advantages.

Went to in-laws to basically say goodbye to my FIL before he goes downhill.  

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Being one of the 2 partners has its advantages.

Went to in-laws to basically say goodbye to my FIL before he goes downhill.  

Sorry to hear that man  

 

24 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

That's fine. Studies should definitely be performed. However, in the midst of a global shutdown, something disrupting the lives and businesses of untold millions, should we wait for all of this investigation to be completed or is it reasonable to extend emergency consideration given the stakes involved? There's emergency authorization for an experimental vaccine for this very reason. Why not the same for a well known drug?

There have been more extensive studies done on both. One showed a statistically significant benefit, the other did not. Pretty simple. We don't make medication recommendations based on in vitro studies or underpowered flawed uncontrolled observation studies. 

10 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Sorry to hear that man  

 

Unfortunately, he didn’t really respond to the immunotherapy.  

9 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

There have been more extensive studies done on both. One showed a statistically significant benefit, the other did not. Pretty simple. We don't make medication recommendations based on in vitro studies or underpowered flawed uncontrolled observation studies. 

Correct, we make them based on profit driven considerations for pharmaceutical companies.  Why do you think Fauci was touting AZT early during the AIDS crisis and Remdesivir last year for Covid.

https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20200429/fauci-on-remdesivir-for-covid19-this-will-be-the-standard-of-care

Fauci on remdesivir for COVID-19: ‘This will be the standard of care’

19 hours ago, DBW said:

You should listen to it. He’s sponsored by Horse paste and kiwi jim spray tan. 

Meh

4 minutes ago, Procus said:

Correct, we make them based on profit driven considerations for pharmaceutical companies.  Why do you think Fauci was touting AZT early during the AIDS crisis and Remdesivir last year for Covid.

https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20200429/fauci-on-remdesivir-for-covid19-this-will-be-the-standard-of-care

Fauci on remdesivir for COVID-19: ‘This will be the standard of care’

It was the standard of care early on. It's an antiviral and showed a very mild benefit, but we've since found better treatment methods. You're arguing for non viral medications who haven't been shown to have any benefit in any larger scale treatments. It's comparing apples to horse paste. 

The last few weeks have seen packed subways, buses, and department stores in Stockholm with maybe 15% of people masking and distancing not observed very well. We will have to wait a few weeks to see what that brings but so far no big wave this time around.

The entire country has only just passed the 100 mark in terms of total ICU Covid patients. That despite no restrictions all fall, kids not masking in schools, people back to the office in part, etc. It sure seems like there is some level of partial herd immunity impeding Omicron here. Need another 3-4 weeks to know for sure. Maybe it will explode. 

 

7 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

And no, "common sense" doesn't come close to virology/epidemiology training. 

Here's what your missing, everything concerning health care in the US is under the umbrella of Rockefeller Medicine, you can't become a doctor unless you attend a Rockefeller Medicine accredited college because all medical school have to meet the criteria as defined by Rockefeller Medicine, so basically Rockefeller Medicine owns the doctors.

All hospitals fall under Rockefeller Medicine, Rockefeller Medicine owns the pharmaceutical companies.

Rockefeller Medicine doesn't give a damn about your health, they're all about is the dollar, repeat customers is what they want. 

Here's  a quick 6 min overview of Rockefeller Medicine, take time to educate yourself.

There's much more to it than the 6 min overview above, you really need to understand the who, what, and how of of Rockefeller Medicine, your health depends on it, search for some of the longer presentations. 

13 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

Here's what your missing, everything concerning health care in the US is under the umbrella of Rockefeller Medicine, you can't become a doctor unless you attend a Rockefeller Medicine accredited college because all medical school have to meet the criteria as defined by Rockefeller Medicine, so basically Rockefeller Medicine owns the doctors.

All hospitals fall under Rockefeller Medicine, Rockefeller Medicine owns the pharmaceutical companies.

Rockefeller Medicine doesn't give a damn about your health, they're all about is the dollar, repeat customers is what they want. 

Here's  a quick 6 min overview of Rockefeller Medicine, take time to educate yourself.

There's much more to it than the 6 min overview above, you really need to understand the who, what, and how of of Rockefeller Medicine, your health depends on it, search for some of the longer presentations. 

Such nonsense. I was trained by the Illuminati thank you very much. Although I did do a brief fellowship with the church of Satan in my 4th year. 

 

Meanwhile, Pop Pop’s at the beach.

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Such nonsense. I was trained by the Illuminati thank you very much. Although I did do a brief fellowship with the church of Satan in my 4th year. 

Did you get to see Mayan during that brief fellowship in your 4th year?

6 hours ago, Abracadabra said:

That's fine. Studies should definitely be performed. However, in the midst of a global shutdown, something disrupting the lives and businesses of untold millions, should we wait for all of this investigation to be completed or is it reasonable to extend emergency consideration given the stakes involved? There's emergency authorization for an experimental vaccine for this very reason. Why not the same for a well known drug?

Studies HAVE been performed.  That’s the point.  And the studies overwhelmingly show that ivermectin provides no benefit as compared to a placebo in the treatment of COVID.  
So THAT’S why there isn’t an emergency authorization for ivermectin.  
 Didn’t you just post this two me 1 post ago: "Ignoring the evidence is not the same as it not existing. ”

Or was that a different poster with the same username….

5 hours ago, Procus said:

Correct, we make them based on profit driven considerations for pharmaceutical companies.  Why do you think Fauci was touting AZT early during the AIDS crisis and Remdesivir last year for Covid.

https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20200429/fauci-on-remdesivir-for-covid19-this-will-be-the-standard-of-care

Fauci on remdesivir for COVID-19: ‘This will be the standard of care’

He touted Remdesvir because it was the first drug that showed effectiveness in combating COVID.  I like how you bolded the quote about remdesivir being the standard of care.  Do you understand what standard of care means?  In clinical trials to test the effectiveness of a drug, you compare that drug to either a placebo or the standard of care to see if the drug you are testing provides a greater benefit. 
So in other words, with remdesivir being the first drug that showed effectiveness against COVID, that can then become the standard of care to compare other drugs to in future clinical trials.  

Just to be clear, 2 of the most vocal voices against vaccines and the CDC guidelines in this thread today are 1) a guy who think the earth is flat and 2) a guy who thinks the republicans are controlled by the British and democrats by the "The Popes"

10 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Sorry if I'm late on this, but wtf is the CDC doing???

 

 

Realizing like everyone who doesn’t live their life in constant fear of Covid, that Omicron is a mild cold and becoming the dominant strain. 

6 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Being one of the 2 partners has its advantages.

Went to in-laws to basically say goodbye to my FIL before he goes downhill.  

Sorry to hear that Vikas. 

10 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Sorry if I'm late on this, but wtf is the CDC doing???

 

 

Adjusting to reality, the virus is not going anywhere, can't remove asymptomatic people from society for 10 days, it shouldn't even be 5 days.

3 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

Adjusting to reality, the virus is not going anywhere, can't remove asymptomatic people from society for 10 days, it shouldn't even be 5 days.

This will hopefully help get the supply chain back on track. That 10 days was a huge deal and hurt a lot of businesses. I agree, 5 days probably isn't necessary either, it's a movie in the right direction at least. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-surgeon-general-says-biden-admin-actively-preventing-monoclonal-antibody-treatments

Florida surgeon general says Biden admin 'actively preventing' monoclonal antibody treatments

The Biden administration recently paused shipments of two COVID-19 antibody treatments

I think at this point we have to accept that sadly slightly more people are going to die each day than before covid. And that we may need designated areas in hospitals to deal with covid... But that life must go on. Omicron is not as severe as previous mutations and most people will in effect experience a cold.