February 7, 20223 yr Maher's right about a lot of things, but I mostly find myself at odds with him on COVID these days.
February 7, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Maher's right about a lot of things, but I mostly find myself at odds with him on COVID these days. Nah, he's right on this too. It's time to move on. It's with us and there's never going to be a day when you realize it's all over and you can go back to normal. So it's going to take a conscious decision where you realize you either live your entire life like this or you just deal with it and live a normal life. I mean, there's not much on a state level that's happening anymore. Aside from dropping mask mandates in schools, which it's time to do. But on a personal level, liberals need to move on.
February 7, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Nah, he's right on this too. It's time to move on. It's with us and there's never going to be a day when you realize it's all over and you can go back to normal. So it's going to take a conscious decision where you realize you either live your entire life like this or you just deal with it and live a normal life. I mean, there's not much on a state level that's happening anymore. Aside from dropping mask mandates in schools, which it's time to do. But on a personal level, liberals need to move on. Well, he's at least somewhat speaking from a particular perspective of living in California/L.A. where the regulations are still heavy-handed, so I might get it to an extent. But as far as just "moving on" goes, it sounds all well and good until you realize that our healthcare networks are still under massive strains from COVID. It's easy to say that when you're pretty insulated from that reality. Getting back to normal requires a greater level of institutional preparedness and carrying capacity, whether it be hospitals, schools, etc. Still gotta roll my eyes at masks being so upsetting to people
February 7, 20223 yr Yeah I don't understand the thought that all restrictions should be lifted without regard to some metrics based approach. Either based on ICU capacity, or admissions or whatever, but completely divorcing ourselves from reality is fine right up until the point where you need to go to a hospital for anything else, and are now stuck in the waiting room for 8 hours to be seen. Wife's aunt is a receptionist at a hospital and neighbor is an ER doc, they said things are getting a little better but still in rough shape. Cases are dropping thankfully, so hopefully some relief for them is on the horizon. As for the schools, I'd be on board with them dropping mandated masks for vaccinated kids. But letting it rip through schools unmitigated will cause far more disruption than the masks themselves will.
February 7, 20223 yr 31 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Well, he's at least somewhat speaking from a particular perspective of living in California/L.A. where the regulations are still heavy-handed, so I might get it to an extent. But as far as just "moving on" goes, it sounds all well and good until you realize that our healthcare networks are still under massive strains from COVID. It's easy to say that when you're pretty insulated from that reality. Getting back to normal requires a greater level of institutional preparedness and carrying capacity, whether it be hospitals, schools, etc. Still gotta roll my eyes at masks being so upsetting to people First of all, @Kz! and @Procus please don't like my posts. Second of all, I get the hospital concern, but where does it end? If this is around in the same ferocity in 5 or 10 years, are we still mitigating in this way? Like we both acknowledge, it's not going anywhere, so we're going to have to get used to living with it. We're either going to have to heavily invest in hospitals in a way we never have or we're going to have to start turning away the unvaccinated, or more than likely, both. Republicans will scream and cry at either one of those solutions but F 'em, they're the one's that won't take the vax and there are consequences to your actions.
February 7, 20223 yr We at least need to hold the line through flu season. Once we get to April/May, I think then it's more realistic to look at easing a bit, at least through the summer. Maher's also stated unequivocally that he won't get a booster, so Bill isn't exactly doing his part to help us return to normal. For a guy whose schtick revolves around liberals sacking up, he's sounding pretty whiny these days.
February 7, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Nah, he's right on this too. It's time to move on. It's with us and there's never going to be a day when you realize it's all over and you can go back to normal. So it's going to take a conscious decision where you realize you either live your entire life like this or you just deal with it and live a normal life. I mean, there's not much on a state level that's happening anymore. Aside from dropping mask mandates in schools, which it's time to do. But on a personal level, liberals need to move on. It's time to move on when the hospital systems are no longer at risk of being overburdened. Which is kinda what we did this summer. This crap isn't arbitrary. A lot of hospitals still can't do non emergent surgery due to limited staffing and supplies due to high capacity. My biggest problem with Maher and some of his guests are that they're implying that it's been continued lockdowns and regulations through the whole process and it's time to go cold turkey. Which is insane considering businesses and schools are now open and our quarantine period is about half of what it is before. "Oh we were told once we got the vaccine things would go back to normal!" No you Fing weren't. Pandemics don't resolve overnight. And Maher knows better. As Omicron fades I expect things to calm down significantly, like they did before.
February 7, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: We at least need to hold the line through flu season. Once we get to April/May, I think then it's more realistic to look at easing a bit, at least through the summer. Maher's also stated unequivocally that he won't get a booster, so Bill isn't exactly doing his part to help us return to normal. For a guy whose schtick revolves around liberals sacking up, he's sounding pretty whiny these days. He's probably seen the data on how effective the shot is against Omicron. Tough to blame him, or anyone, for electing not to sign up for unlimited shots, IMO.
February 7, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: We at least need to hold the line through flu season. Once we get to April/May, I think then it's more realistic to look at easing a bit, at least through the summer. Maher's also stated unequivocally that he won't get a booster, so Bill isn't exactly doing his part to help us return to normal. For a guy whose schtick revolves around liberals sacking up, he's sounding pretty whiny these days. Yeah, I have no idea why him or anyone else wouldn't get an available vaccine/booster. That's just stupid. Just now, Kz! said: He's probably seen the data on how effective the shot is against Omicron. Tough to blame him, or anyone, for electing not to sign up for unlimited shots, IMO. No, it's incredibly easy.
February 7, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: We at least need to hold the line through flu season. Once we get to April/May, I think then it's more realistic to look at easing a bit, at least through the summer. Maher's also stated unequivocally that he won't get a booster, so Bill isn't exactly doing his part to help us return to normal. For a guy whose schtick revolves around liberals sacking up, he's sounding pretty whiny these days. Or maybe he recently caught COVID and has natural immunity. You just don't like him because he doesn't fit your narrative.
February 7, 20223 yr This story is a perfect encapsulation of why we'll never have real data on the risks associated with the vaccine. https://www.wkrn.com/community/health/coronavirus/no-evidence-covid-vaccine-led-to-teens-death-probe-reveals/ To recap: Perfectly healthy 13 year old boy gets his second dose of mRNA vaccine Comes down with post-vaccine symptoms of stomach ache and fever Dies 3 days after the jab Autopsy reveals he had an enlarged heart with fluid around it CDC quickly concludes there's no evidence the jab had anything to do with it It's all a joke.
February 7, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Yeah, I have no idea why him or anyone else wouldn't get an available vaccine/booster. That's just stupid. No, it's incredibly easy. Yeah for retarded ishlibs, sure. But I'm talking about normal people, here.
February 7, 20223 yr Just now, Kz! said: Yeah for retarded ishlibs, sure. But I'm talking about normal people, here. People that refuse life saving vaccines are very normal.
February 7, 20223 yr Buddy of mine caught Covid last week. Kind of interesting that he lost all taste and smell... thought that was a Delta symptom, not an omicron one. Said he felt pretty **** and ran a fever for three days. Feels fine now, just low energy. Unvaxxed of course.
February 7, 20223 yr Just now, Kz! said: Buddy of mine caught Covid last week. Kind of interesting that he lost all taste and smell... thought that was a Delta symptom, not an omicron one. Said he felt pretty **** and ran a fever for three days. Feels fine now, just low energy. Unvaxxed of course. Calling BS. No way you have a friend.
February 7, 20223 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: People that refuse life saving vaccines are very normal. Yeah, not getting 3 shots a year for something that poses little risk for the vast majority of healthy adults is pretty normal, actually. It's even more normal when you understand transmission rates.
February 7, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, DEagle7 said: "Oh we were told once we got the vaccine things would go back to normal!" No you Fing weren't. Pandemics don't resolve overnight. And Maher knows better. People were definitely told this, though. The message promoted by mainstream media, administration officials, and a decent amount medical professionals back when the vaccine was coming on-line was largely definitive statements of "Take the vaccine and the pandemic is over." I'm not sure if this was the right approach, but I can see a logic to it. People are stupid. You can't give them any nuance and you need to goad them by telling them what they want to hear. The sheer fact is that vaccines are often not perfect, especially brand new ones. Whether this would actually stamp out the pandemic was always up in the air. While most people with a basic understanding of the situation were cautiously optimistic and taking a wait-and-see approach, they were actively selling the idea that the vaccine was going to stop the pandemic dead in its tracks. Of course, it would've worked a lot better if a lot more people got vaxxed, but I fear that the approach taken earlier in the pandemic is now giving the skeptics and antivaxxers fodder to say "See! You told us the vaccine would stop the pandemic, and it didn't! These scientists don't know what they're talking about." Ultimately, I think people are stupid if they thought that the vaccine would be an automatic end to the pandemic, but they were definitely given this impression by people who knew better. Even if the vaccine merely prevents death and severe COVID, it's still a major win, and maybe we can improve it to a level of greater mitigation down the line, but people can't handle this level of nuance. My gf's anti-vaxx step father is now totally convinced that the vaccine is worthless since she got COVID. If he had two brain cells to rub together, he'd realize that the vaccine was a big reason she quickly got over the illness and likely why I didn't get sick, too.
February 7, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Or maybe he recently caught COVID and has natural immunity. You just don't like him because he doesn't fit your narrative. Oh, look, Mr. Dunning-Kruger's back. Did you just copy/paste this from several pages back? WTF "narrative" are you talking about? That COVID is still a problem we should continue to monitor? Oh, man, such a narrative there! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. I like Bill Maher, he's one of my favorite comedians. In fact, I just saw him live about 3 months ago. He put on a great show. I'm just not a tool who feels the need to agree with someone I like on every opinion that they have. Bill got COVID back in July or August, and yes, he's vaxxed. I also, have been vaxxed and naturally infected. So, Bill and I both have some level of hybrid immunity, but we do not share the same perspective here.
February 7, 20223 yr You mean the President gave some flat out false claims that the vaccine would cure it all BIDEN: "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.” — town hall. BIDEN: "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the IC unit, and you’re not going to die.” — town hall https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-07-21/ap-fact-check-biden-inflates-jobs-impact-from-his-policies
February 7, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Or maybe he recently caught COVID and has natural immunity. You just don't like him because he doesn't fit your narrative. Refusing boosters is moronic regardless of what he believes.
February 7, 20223 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: Oh, look, Mr. Dunning-Kruger's back. Did you just copy/paste this from several pages back? WTF "narrative" are you talking about? That COVID is still a problem we should continue to monitor? Oh, man, such a narrative there! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. I like Bill Maher, he's one of my favorite comedians. In fact, I just saw him live about 3 months ago. He put on a great show. I'm just not a tool who feels the need to agree with someone I like on every opinion that they have. Bill got COVID back in July or August, and yes, he's vaxxed. I also, have been vaxxed and naturally infected. So, Bill and I both have some level of hybrid immunity, but we do not share the same perspective here. Why do I care about your personal history with Bill Maher? You two are basically blood brothers since both vaxxed and have herd immunity.
February 7, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Why do I care about your personal history with Bill Maher? You two are basically blood brothers since both vaxxed and have herd immunity. You just tried to discredit my take by claiming that I "just don't like him." Well, my "history" proved that to be false.
February 7, 20223 yr Watching ishlibs freak out about someone who only slightly deviates from the government's official covid talking points is insanely entertaining.
February 7, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: You just tried to discredit my take by claiming that I "just don't like him." Well, my "history" proved that to be false. So you think I was talking about Maher in general or the video that you were questioning. Try again
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