February 7, 20224 yr 9 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Or maybe he recently caught COVID and has natural immunity. You just don't like him because he doesn't fit your narrative. Refusing boosters is moronic regardless of what he believes.
February 7, 20224 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: Oh, look, Mr. Dunning-Kruger's back. Did you just copy/paste this from several pages back? WTF "narrative" are you talking about? That COVID is still a problem we should continue to monitor? Oh, man, such a narrative there! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. I like Bill Maher, he's one of my favorite comedians. In fact, I just saw him live about 3 months ago. He put on a great show. I'm just not a tool who feels the need to agree with someone I like on every opinion that they have. Bill got COVID back in July or August, and yes, he's vaxxed. I also, have been vaxxed and naturally infected. So, Bill and I both have some level of hybrid immunity, but we do not share the same perspective here. Why do I care about your personal history with Bill Maher? You two are basically blood brothers since both vaxxed and have herd immunity.
February 7, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Why do I care about your personal history with Bill Maher? You two are basically blood brothers since both vaxxed and have herd immunity. You just tried to discredit my take by claiming that I "just don't like him." Well, my "history" proved that to be false.
February 7, 20224 yr Watching ishlibs freak out about someone who only slightly deviates from the government's official covid talking points is insanely entertaining.
February 7, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: You just tried to discredit my take by claiming that I "just don't like him." Well, my "history" proved that to be false. So you think I was talking about Maher in general or the video that you were questioning. Try again
February 7, 20224 yr 5 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: So you think I was talking about Maher in general or the video that you were questioning. Try again I think you demonstrate and inability to argue from the facts, as evidenced by your failure to do anything other than make inane statements revolving around ad-homiems and vague references to "narratives." There's no point in "trying again" with someone with such poor reasoning ability.
February 7, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I think you demonstrate and inability to argue from the facts and do anything other than make inane statements revolving around ad-homiems and vague references to "narratives." There's no point in "trying again" with someone with such poor reasoning ability. What Maher said is true and it time to go back to normal, but you want to continue to hide in your house thus that doesn't fit your narrative and you disagree with him.
February 7, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said: Okay he/him Wow, your jokes are even more poorly constructed than your arguments. I didn't know that was possible. Impressive!
February 7, 20224 yr 35 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: You mean the President gave some flat out false claims that the vaccine would cure it all BIDEN: "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.” — town hall. BIDEN: "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the IC unit, and you’re not going to die.” — town hall https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-07-21/ap-fact-check-biden-inflates-jobs-impact-from-his-policies This again? Are we forgetting the part where the F'ing thing mutated into a much more transmissible variant after that? Delta completely changed the game. Saying the scientists were "wrong" because they were using efficacy data on the current circulating variant in spring of '21 to project a reduction of cases while failing to predict the emergence of Delta is completely asinine. Don't want a booster? Don't take it. It's that simple. Same thing for flu shots. Bill Maher is a moron if he thinks his natural immunity will protect him forever, especially at his age. And if you have the sads because a place of business requires proof of vaccination wherever you live, you can always move to West Virginia where it's socially acceptable to F your sister, let alone eat at Applebee's without a vaccine.
February 7, 20224 yr 8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: This again? Are we forgetting the part where the F'ing thing mutated into a much more transmissible variant after that? Delta completely changed the game. Saying the scientists were "wrong" because they were using efficacy data on the current circulating variant in spring of '21 to project a reduction of cases while failing to predict the emergence of Delta is completely asinine. Don't want a booster? Don't take it. It's that simple. Same thing for flu shots. Bill Maher is a moron if he thinks his natural immunity will protect him forever, especially at his age. And if you have the sads because a place of business requires proof of vaccination wherever you live, you can always move to West Virginia where it's socially acceptable to F your sister, let alone eat at Applebee's without a vaccine. Then don't make outlandish claims as cases continued to rise when Delta variant was already in the US because then you are just like your predecessor.
February 7, 20224 yr 12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: This again? Are we forgetting the part where the F'ing thing mutated into a much more transmissible variant after that? Delta completely changed the game. Saying the scientists were "wrong" because they were using efficacy data on the current circulating variant in spring of '21 to project a reduction of cases while failing to predict the emergence of Delta is completely asinine. The thing is, I feel like this was alway on the table: Viruses mutate. That's how they survive. Was Delta really that surprising to scientists? Surely, the medical establishment knew that the emergence of a mutant strain with greater virulence was more of a possibility the longer the pandemic went on. On the one hand, I feel like they wanted to keep people in the dark about this possibility in order to get as many vaccinated as possible and avoid giving them the sense "what's the point if the virus can just change anyway?" But now, on the other end of it, people are using the emergence of Delta and Omicron to be even more mistrustful and claim that the scientific community was wrong. I'm hundreds of pages back in this thread claiming that viral evolution is exactly what we needed to be wary of.
February 7, 20224 yr 50 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Then don't make outlandish claims as cases continued to rise when Delta variant was already in the US because then you are just like your predecessor. He was speaking in absolutes when he shouldn't have been, yes. At times, he and the CDC have dropped the ball on messaging, I'll give you that. But that's not the same as being completely wrong. If your local metrologist predicts 10" of snow tomorrow and you only get 7", you can't say he was making outlandish claims. I mean, you can, but you'd look like an idiot because it shows you don't understand the basic tenets of meteorology.
February 7, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: The thing is, I feel like this was alway on the table: Viruses mutate. That's how they survive Was Delta really that surprising to scientists? Surely, the medical establishment knew that the emergence of a mutant strain with greater virulence was more of a possibility the longer the pandemic went on. On the one hand, I feel like they wanted to keep people in the dark about this possibility in order to get as many vaccinated as possible and avoid giving them the sense "what's the point if the virus can just change anyway?" But now, on the other end of it, people are using the emergence of Delta and Omicron to be even more mistrustful and claim that the scientific community was wrong. A jump from an R0 of 3 to an R0 of 7? Yeah, I'd say the vast majority were caught off guard by that. Everything until then (alpha, beta, gamma) wasn't in the same ballpark as delta in terms of transmissibility or virulence.
February 7, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: A jump from an R0 of 3 to an R0 of 7? Yeah, I'd say the vast majority were caught off guard by that. Everything until then (alpha, beta, gamma) wasn't in the same ballpark as delta in terms of transmissibility or virulence. Fair enough.
February 7, 20224 yr Still, though, isn't this typical? Viruses become more transmissible as they mutate, and the longer they have to mutate, the more likely this is? So, maybe scientists were caught off guard by how much it jumped, but never publicly acknowledging the possibility of this happening seems to be giving the vaccine-hesitant crowd a lot of fodder right now. Personally, I think the best approach would've been to warn people of the possibility of this happening while stating that getting vaccinated as widely and quickly as possible is the most effective way to impede mutation. But, like I said, this was probably too much nuance for people to handle.
February 7, 20224 yr Going home later this month -- mom is having surgery. Glad to see this. Step in the right direction.
February 7, 20224 yr 17 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Still, though, isn't this typical? Viruses become more transmissible as they mutate, and the longer they have to mutate, the more likely this is? So, maybe scientists were caught off guard by how much it jumped, but never publicly acknowledging the possibility of this happening seems to be giving the vaccine-hesitant crowd a lot of fodder right now. Personally, I think the best approach would've been to warn people of the possibility of this happening while stating that getting vaccinated as widely and quickly as possible is the most effective way to impede mutation. But, like I said, this was probably too much nuance for people to handle. SARS never did. MERS neither. Very little has been typical about what has unfolded over the last 2 years.
February 7, 20224 yr 48 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: The thing is, I feel like this was alway on the table: Viruses mutate. That's how they survive. Was Delta really that surprising to scientists? Surely, the medical establishment knew that the emergence of a mutant strain with greater virulence was more of a possibility the longer the pandemic went on. On the one hand, I feel like they wanted to keep people in the dark about this possibility in order to get as many vaccinated as possible and avoid giving them the sense "what's the point if the virus can just change anyway?" But now, on the other end of it, people are using the emergence of Delta and Omicron to be even more mistrustful and claim that the scientific community was wrong. I'm hundreds of pages back in this thread claiming that viral evolution is exactly what we needed to be wary of. Agreed. First it was "no need for masks” so that we could get them in the hands of the medical professionals and then it was the whole thing with regard to the vaccines. I’ve always thought trust would win out in the long term.
February 7, 20224 yr Delaware announced indoor mask mandates in public settings will end on Friday!!!! for schools and daycares, March 31st. Woohoo!!!! edit: looks like Vikas broke through news already. 😊
February 7, 20224 yr Is there a better analogy for the failure of the US government than them buying a billion Covid tests to distribute for "free" thereby creating a nationwide shortage of them for people that actually need them at pharmacies, then mailing them out incredibly slowly after the largest wave has begun to naturally subside, and using the USPS to deliver them to mailboxes when much of the country is sub-35 degrees and freezing them causes inaccurate readings. It's like the absolute perfect ishstorm of failure. It's peak federal government.
February 7, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, DBW said: Delaware announced indoor mask mandates in public settings will end on Friday!!!! for schools and daycares, March 31st. Woohoo!!!! edit: looks like Vikas broke through news already. 😊 Just had my assistant call the gym near my parents house that I visit when in town, and they are dropping the mask requirement. Hallelujah.
February 7, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, DBW said: Delaware announced indoor mask mandates in public settings will end on Friday!!!! for schools and daycares, March 31st. Woohoo!!!! Right, the government just waved its magic-government wand and now it's safe to no longer mandate masks and kids can be normal again! Amazing how The Science™ works!
February 7, 20224 yr I do always think it’s funny when they announce a day a few days in the future when mask mandates will end. Like Friday at 8am. Why not just say immediately? What is 4 more days of people wearing masks really going to accomplish?
February 7, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, Jsvand12 said: I do always think it’s funny when they announce a day a few days in the future when mask mandates will end. Like Friday at 8am. Why not just say immediately? What is 4 more days of people wearing masks really going to accomplish? Gives private businesses time to adjust and come up with their own policies. Like if a gym wants to keep requiring masks, they have time to discuss and communicate that decision before the state regulation goes away.
February 7, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Gives private businesses time to adjust and come up with their own policies. Like if a gym wants to keep requiring masks, they have time to discuss and communicate that decision before the state regulation goes away. Yea. I guess. I just feel like when the state stops requiring it businesses basically have no choice but to follow. Customers will turn into even bigger a-holes if they are told they need to wear a mask to enter after the state says it’s not required. I’m in Florida though so it’s pretty much an entire state of Walmart shoppers anyway.
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