7 hours ago, Lambo said:

At the end of the day, you can only judge any of this by personal experience. I know 5 unvaccinated people that died from Covid, I don't know anyone who died from the vaccine.

I assume this is sarcasm because I know you are on the correct side of this discussion.

Obviously, anecdotal evidence in insufficient.

And that is what created so many people like @justwinbaby's stance on things.

Many of them likely have not seen the true dangers of the illness. Many of them never caught it, or just had cold symptoms. Some of them may have seen side effects of the vaccine in them, or someone they know.

It always killed me to hear people make light of this, when me and my colleagues literally watched people die every single day.

My story.

Most people here know I am an athletic trainer. Well, In the beginning of covid most sports shut down. From professional leagues to colleges to schools. Many athletic trainers were laid off by their employers whether it was the school, specialty clinic, or hospital system, etc.

My boss at the time saved us from that fate by fighting for us to be "re-deployed", utilizing our skill sets in triage, general medicine, and acute emergency management. So, right at the beginning of everything, we all found ourselves in the white tents set up outside of the hospital emergency department. We were the absolute front line. Patients no matter what they were coming in for had to see us before getting in to the emergency department and we would triage, and get a temp to determine if they were going in the covid entrance, or non-covid entrance. One of us was also stationed inside the ambulance bay so that even all patients coming via ambulance had to stop at us before proceeding- no matter what. Didn't matter if it was a stroke, heart attack whatever. One of my colleagues saw two young kids, drowning victims that were already dead.

From there, as things changed and needs shifted some of us became screeners when clinics began to re-open. Stationed at each entrance of every building to ask screening questions and get temperatures and determine if we had to turn people away, or let them in- whatever the ever changing rules were at the time. No gloves were allowed. Supply shortages. We were getting breathed on by everyone, or worse coughed and sneezed on. I was of course on the side of the building where family medicine, and pediatrics was so we had sick people constantly. Still no one knew much about this virus, but we had to be exposed numerous times every single day. Some of us became "sitters" in ICU in the hospital where you literally just sat with a patient for your 8 hour shift. Others of us were in the ICU stationed as "runners" for when the nurses or doctors needed something. Many times, they died there next to you. Maybe you were talking to them just a little bit ago, but by the end of your shift they were no longer with us. Some of us then became testers as surgeries began to re-open. Using the temporary order by the governor to expand athletic trainers' scope of practice allowing for invasive procedures we were administering the covid tests to tons of people, daily and sending their results to the lab for pre-surgical screening to make sure they weren't positive before going to the operating room.

Doctors choose their specialty. Some choose to see kids with cancer. Doing gods work. Some choose to see gruesome trauma. We as athletic trainers occasionally have the opportunity to save a live but not usually. We may see a deformed limb. We never knowingly signed up to work 3rd shifts and to see dead young kids and people dying daily. But that was our new reality.

Me and my friends saw the worst of it. It wasnt made up by the media, or Joe Biden. It did not discriminate by political party. Everyone was susceptible. Those early stages were still in Trump's term. And Trump was the one who got the vaccine pushed through exceedingly fast. And yeah our hospital made it mandatory or else you got fired, but I had so many possible exposures, and saw enough death that I was very willing to take the risks of some side effects rather than catch the illness itself. Anyone who wouldnt want to, I saw as selfish, and wrong because they hadnt seen the reality of what was going on. They heard right wingers saying this is no big deal, and its a big government hoax, and a hospital money maker (which was also very misguided and untruthful information).

Personally, I saved my mom's life. My mom, dad, and sister (who got stuck in the country while visiting from abroad) all caught covid at the same time. My sister had minor, weird symptoms more neurological in nature. My dad had cold/flu symptoms. My mom was the worst and she sounded terrible. I went to their house one day to drop things off outside their door and in talking with them I said, she sounds horrible...she needs to put this on- Luckily in my car I had my pulse oximeter from work. She put it on. Of course, she was one of those "happy" hypoxics who thought she just had a bad cough and would be fine. Being able to actually see her reading, they finally decided she needed to go to the hospital. I remember that feeling knowing how many people walked in and their families never got to see them walk out. Wondering if that was the last time we got to see her too. She spent 5 days in the hospital and it was not good. Doctors did not provide positive updates in her case. Often choosing very cautious words and warnings that it was pretty bad. Her labs were at levels of patients that typically died. I remember getting calls from her when she had the littlest bit of energy to speak. One time she called and said, I cant talk, Im too tired. But stay on the phone I just want to hear your voice. At the time, I thought that might be her saying goodbye. After a little bit, she said I can go and she was going to rest. I didnt know if there would ever be another call. Luckily, she pulled through.

Had she not used my pulse oximeter that day, who knows how much longer she would have delayed treatment and how that would have turned out. She and my dad battled long covid for months after. Irregular heart rates, random blood pressure spikes. My mom would get easily out of breath just from getting dressed and her heart would race. My dad has increased eye pressures that he has to take drops for, for the rest of his life.

For the people that never experienced the true evil of this disease, theyll complain about really minor inconveniences- Im hot with a mask on. I had to get poked with a needle. Stores were short on toilet paper. I had to social distance. Cry me a river. Thats the worst you had to deal with and youre ready to crucify Fauci over that. Please....Pathetic. Should be so embarrassed to sound like that in front of people who saw or experienced true hardships rather than temporary inconveniences.

3 hours ago, Procus said:

You obviously are unfamiliar with what DeSantis has done down here in Florida.

You’re obviously unfamiliar with what Trump’s done in Washington

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I assume this is sarcasm because I know you are on the correct side of this discussion.

Obviously, anecdotal evidence in insufficient.

And that is what created so many people like @justwinbaby's stance on things.

Many of them likely have not seen the true dangers of the illness. Many of them never caught it, or just had cold symptoms. Some of them may have seen side effects of the vaccine in them, or someone they know.

It always killed me to hear people make light of this, when me and my colleagues literally watched people die every single day.

My story. Most people here know I am an athletic trainer. Well, In the beginning of covid most sports shut down. From professional leagues to colleges to schools. Many athletic trainers were laid off by their employers whether it was the school, specialty clinic, or hospital system, etc.

My boss at the time saved us from that fate by fighting for us to be "re-deployed", utilizing our skill sets in triage, general medicine, and acute emergency management. So, right at the beginning of everything, we all found ourselves in the white tents set up outside of the hospital emergency department. We were the absolute front line. Patients no matter what they were coming in for had to see us before getting in to the emergency department and we would triage, and get a temp to determine if they were going in the covid entrance, or non-covid entrance. One of us was also stationed inside the ambulance bay so that even all patients coming via ambulance had to stop at us before proceeding- no matter what. Didn't matter if it was a stroke, heart attack whatever. One of my colleagues saw two young kids, drowning victims that were already dead.

From there, as things changed and needs shifted some of us became screeners when clinics began to re-open. Stationed at each entrance of every building to ask screening questions and get temperatures and determine if we had to turn people away, or let them in- whatever the ever changing rules were at the time. No gloves were allowed. Supply shortages. We were getting breathed on by everyone, or worse coughed and sneezed on. I was of course on the side of the building where family medicine, and pediatrics was so we had sick people constantly. Still no one knew much about this virus, but we had to be exposed numerous times every single day. Some of us became "sitters" in ICU in the hospital where you literally just sat with a patient for your 8 hour shift. Others of us were in the ICU stationed as "runners" for when the nurses or doctors needed something. Many times, they died there next to you. Maybe you were talking to them just a little bit ago, but by the end of your shift they were no longer with us. Some of us then became testers as surgeries began to re-open. Using the temporary order by the governor to expand athletic trainers' scope of practice allowing for invasive procedures we were administering the covid tests to tons of people, daily and sending their results to the lab for pre-surgical screening to make sure they weren't positive before going to the operating room.

Doctors choose their specialty. Some choose to see kids with cancer. Doing gods work. Some choose to see gruesome trauma. We as athletic trainers occasionally have the opportunity to save a live but not usually. We may see a deformed limb. We never knowingly signed up to work 3rd shifts and to see dead young kids and people dying daily. But that was our new reality.

Me and my friends saw the worst of it. It wasnt made up by the media, or Joe Biden. It did not discriminate by political party. Everyone was susceptible. Those early stages were still in Trump's term. And Trump was the one who got the vaccine pushed through exceedingly fast. And yeah our hospital made it mandatory or else you got fired, but I had so many possible exposures, and saw enough death that I was very willing to take the risks of some side effects rather than catch the illness itself. Anyone who wouldnt want to, I saw as selfish, and wrong because they hadnt seen the reality of what was going on. They heard right wingers saying this is no big deal, and its a big government hoax, and a hospital money maker (which was also very misguided and untruthful information).

Personally, I saved my mom's life. My mom, dad, and sister (who got stuck in the country while visiting from abroad) all caught covid at the same time. My sister had minor, weird symptoms more neurological in nature. My dad had cold/flu symptoms. My mom was the worst and she sounded terrible. I went to their house one day to drop things off outside their door and in talking with them I said, she sounds horrible...she needs to put this on- Luckily in my car I had my pulse oximeter from work. She put it on. Of course, she was one of those "happy" hypoxics who thought she just had a bad cough and would be fine. Being able to actually see her reading, they finally decided she needed to go to the hospital. I remember that feeling knowing how many people walked in and their families never got to see them walk out. Wondering if that was the last time we got to see her too. She spent 5 days in the hospital and it was not good. Doctors did not provide positive updates in her case. Often choosing very cautious words and warnings that it was pretty bad. Her labs were at levels of patients that typically died. I remember getting calls from her when she had the littlest bit of energy to speak. One time she called and said, I cant talk, Im too tired. But stay on the phone I just want to hear your voice. At the time, I thought that might be her saying goodbye. After a little bit, she said I can go and she was going to rest. I didnt know if there would ever be another call. Luckily, she pulled through.

Had she not used my pulse oximeter that day, who knows how much longer she would have delayed treatment and how that would have turned out. She and my dad battled long covid for months after. Irregular heart rates, random blood pressure spikes. My mom would get easily out of breath just from getting dressed and her heart would race. My dad has increased eye pressures that he has to take drops for, for the rest of his life.

For the people that never experienced the true evil of this disease, theyll complain about really minor inconveniences- Im hot with a mask on. I had to get poked with a needle. Stores were short on toilet paper. I had to social distance. Cry me a river. Thats the worst you had to deal with and youre ready to crucify Fauci over that. Please....Pathetic. Should be so embarrassed to sound like that in front of people who saw or experienced true hardships rather than temporary inconveniences.

Good on you for putting yourself at risk early on to help others like that. Even when dealing with your own family, I'm glad to hear that they pulled through in the end. But if that's truly how it all went down, it's honestly incomprehensible that you still voted for him. There truly is no bridge too far for any of you.

What a coincidence......

Liberals "celebrating" Fauci in the 90's......

8 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I assume this is sarcasm because I know you are on the correct side of this discussion.

Obviously, anecdotal evidence in insufficient.

And that is what created so many people like @justwinbaby's stance on things.

Many of them likely have not seen the true dangers of the illness. Many of them never caught it, or just had cold symptoms. Some of them may have seen side effects of the vaccine in them, or someone they know.

It always killed me to hear people make light of this, when me and my colleagues literally watched people die every single day.

My story.

Most people here know I am an athletic trainer. Well, In the beginning of covid most sports shut down. From professional leagues to colleges to schools. Many athletic trainers were laid off by their employers whether it was the school, specialty clinic, or hospital system, etc.

My boss at the time saved us from that fate by fighting for us to be "re-deployed", utilizing our skill sets in triage, general medicine, and acute emergency management. So, right at the beginning of everything, we all found ourselves in the white tents set up outside of the hospital emergency department. We were the absolute front line. Patients no matter what they were coming in for had to see us before getting in to the emergency department and we would triage, and get a temp to determine if they were going in the covid entrance, or non-covid entrance. One of us was also stationed inside the ambulance bay so that even all patients coming via ambulance had to stop at us before proceeding- no matter what. Didn't matter if it was a stroke, heart attack whatever. One of my colleagues saw two young kids, drowning victims that were already dead.

From there, as things changed and needs shifted some of us became screeners when clinics began to re-open. Stationed at each entrance of every building to ask screening questions and get temperatures and determine if we had to turn people away, or let them in- whatever the ever changing rules were at the time. No gloves were allowed. Supply shortages. We were getting breathed on by everyone, or worse coughed and sneezed on. I was of course on the side of the building where family medicine, and pediatrics was so we had sick people constantly. Still no one knew much about this virus, but we had to be exposed numerous times every single day. Some of us became "sitters" in ICU in the hospital where you literally just sat with a patient for your 8 hour shift. Others of us were in the ICU stationed as "runners" for when the nurses or doctors needed something. Many times, they died there next to you. Maybe you were talking to them just a little bit ago, but by the end of your shift they were no longer with us. Some of us then became testers as surgeries began to re-open. Using the temporary order by the governor to expand athletic trainers' scope of practice allowing for invasive procedures we were administering the covid tests to tons of people, daily and sending their results to the lab for pre-surgical screening to make sure they weren't positive before going to the operating room.

Doctors choose their specialty. Some choose to see kids with cancer. Doing gods work. Some choose to see gruesome trauma. We as athletic trainers occasionally have the opportunity to save a live but not usually. We may see a deformed limb. We never knowingly signed up to work 3rd shifts and to see dead young kids and people dying daily. But that was our new reality.

Me and my friends saw the worst of it. It wasnt made up by the media, or Joe Biden. It did not discriminate by political party. Everyone was susceptible. Those early stages were still in Trump's term. And Trump was the one who got the vaccine pushed through exceedingly fast. And yeah our hospital made it mandatory or else you got fired, but I had so many possible exposures, and saw enough death that I was very willing to take the risks of some side effects rather than catch the illness itself. Anyone who wouldnt want to, I saw as selfish, and wrong because they hadnt seen the reality of what was going on. They heard right wingers saying this is no big deal, and its a big government hoax, and a hospital money maker (which was also very misguided and untruthful information).

Personally, I saved my mom's life. My mom, dad, and sister (who got stuck in the country while visiting from abroad) all caught covid at the same time. My sister had minor, weird symptoms more neurological in nature. My dad had cold/flu symptoms. My mom was the worst and she sounded terrible. I went to their house one day to drop things off outside their door and in talking with them I said, she sounds horrible...she needs to put this on- Luckily in my car I had my pulse oximeter from work. She put it on. Of course, she was one of those "happy" hypoxics who thought she just had a bad cough and would be fine. Being able to actually see her reading, they finally decided she needed to go to the hospital. I remember that feeling knowing how many people walked in and their families never got to see them walk out. Wondering if that was the last time we got to see her too. She spent 5 days in the hospital and it was not good. Doctors did not provide positive updates in her case. Often choosing very cautious words and warnings that it was pretty bad. Her labs were at levels of patients that typically died. I remember getting calls from her when she had the littlest bit of energy to speak. One time she called and said, I cant talk, Im too tired. But stay on the phone I just want to hear your voice. At the time, I thought that might be her saying goodbye. After a little bit, she said I can go and she was going to rest. I didnt know if there would ever be another call. Luckily, she pulled through.

Had she not used my pulse oximeter that day, who knows how much longer she would have delayed treatment and how that would have turned out. She and my dad battled long covid for months after. Irregular heart rates, random blood pressure spikes. My mom would get easily out of breath just from getting dressed and her heart would race. My dad has increased eye pressures that he has to take drops for, for the rest of his life.

For the people that never experienced the true evil of this disease, theyll complain about really minor inconveniences- Im hot with a mask on. I had to get poked with a needle. Stores were short on toilet paper. I had to social distance. Cry me a river. Thats the worst you had to deal with and youre ready to crucify Fauci over that. Please....Pathetic. Should be so embarrassed to sound like that in front of people who saw or experienced true hardships rather than temporary inconveniences.

Thanks for sharing and thanks for all the help you gave to others. You were one of the many many heroes during that difficult period.

16 hours ago, justwinbaby said:

Same ol' trope. Over and over..... you gals need a hobby

Nahhhh those are two completely different insults right there, Squirt. I said you pretend people are angry when you are being laughed at (and you do, all the time hahahaha), and WGB called you poor. Both can be true at the same time and probably are.

14 hours ago, justwinbaby said:

You want to mock the people that have lifelong affects from taking the vaccine that they lied about being safe? You don't remember people being forced to take the vaccine or get fired? Not important enough to take seriously for you? You probably don't agree that big pharma made billions on it and that had no part in any of it

No, hes mocking people who type incoherent gibberish lmao

17 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Nahhhh those are two completely different insults right there, Squirt. I said you pretend people are angry when you are being laughed at (and you do, all the time hahahaha), and WGB called you poor. Both can be true at the same time and probably are.

Let me explain for you, you sassy lil ****. You both use the same insults all the time because you can't think of anything more intelligent to say. Same ol' trope. Go get a dictionary and then come back to me. And they say they're the educated ones...

2 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

Let me explain for you, you sassy lil ****. You both use the same insults all the time because you can't think of anything more intelligent to say. Same ol' trope. Go get a dictionary and then come back to me. And they say they're the educated ones...

So, kind of like how you keep saying everyone is mad while they are laughing at you? Thanks for the explanation, little fella!

And you should pardon people who misunderstand what you are trying to say, as your posts are often hard to decipher lmao. You type out your posts like an angry retarded person who is missing both thumbs.

7 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

Let me explain for you, you sassy lil ****. You both use the same insults all the time because you can't think of anything more intelligent to say. Same ol' trope. Go get a dictionary and then come back to me. And they say they're the educated ones...

Also, you use the word "sassy" a lot for straight guy lmao

33 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

Let me explain for you, you sassy lil ****. You both use the same insults all the time because you can't think of anything more intelligent to say. Same ol' trope. Go get a dictionary and then come back to me. And they say they're the educated ones...

It sad what this "Jab" did to people an how it effected their lives and their SOUL

47 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Also, you use the word "sassy" a lot for straight guy lmao

only for you queen.

49 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

So, kind of like how you keep saying everyone is mad while they are laughing at you? Thanks for the explanation, little fella!

And you should pardon people who misunderstand what you are trying to say, as your posts are often hard to decipher lmao. You type out your posts like an angry retarded person who is missing both thumbs.

Only hard if you are lil slow, but you're right I should not have that high of expectations here.

3 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

only for you queen.

Only hard if you are lil slow, but you're right I should not have that high of expectations here.

Nahhh, just speaking halfway decent English would work fine, little fella. This is why immigrants are stealing your jobs, you know that right? Many speak our language better than you do.

21 hours ago, justwinbaby said:

You're always in a lil fit of rage aren't you, queen? You sassy lil ****

Looks guys! Trope and stuff! Wow!

3 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Difference being they are voluntarily Fing their s*** up.

Truer words we never spoken......even if the voice sounds like a mouth full of gravel was involved.

Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. accused CNN anchor Dana Bash of COVID-era media malpractice Sunday, saying she failed to challenge public health authorities and helped marginalize dissenters during the pandemic.

"You were part of the problem. There was absolute press malpractice. Your job — your job — is a fierce skepticism toward authority, and you weren’t doing that," Kennedy said on "State of the Union."

"You were beating up on people who were dissenting," the HHS secretary added.⁹

Let them off the hook or is this meant to be prelude to a change in philosophy?

Not everyone had their blinders on.

In Florida, monoclonal antibody treatment was available for people who contracted Covid, and it was quite effective. I know of a few people who recovered quickly after getting an infusion. It was so successful that the FDA halted its use.

FOX 13 Tampa Bay

Thousands of appointments canceled in Florida after FDA h...

Florida has closed its monoclonal antibody sites after the FDA abruptly revoked the drug's emergency-use authorization. On Tuesday alone, state officials said they canceled at least 2,000 appointments

"100% effective".....

In 2002, Anthony Fauci and Ralph Baric modified a coronavirus to target human heart and lung tissue. By 2005, they announced this as 'biowarfare-enabling technology.' This revelation comes amidst ongoing discussions about a cover-up dating back to a 2014 immunity document related to the pandemic.

Fauci's pardon only dates to 2014.

One, two, three, four, FIF !!!

Now that I mention it. Anyone heard of an athlete collapsing on the field in the last few years?

8 hours ago, lynched1 said:

"100% effective".....

It depends on what 100% effective meant to you vs what it meant to the people who actually knew what they were talking about.

It might not meet your arbitrary meaning, but it also could be true.

I know. I know.... you guys thought vaccines were supposed to prevent the illness in 100% of people.

Thats on you for misunderstanding. It doesnt mean anyone lied.