May 2, 20205 yr 57 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: All we need is Bobby dumb F and we're back to our normal sheet show..... Why was he banned again? Is he one of the people that are definitely not welcome back?
May 2, 20205 yr 26 minutes ago, TEW said: Well, as far as the Corona virus is concerned, I’m pretty much batting 1.000 Well done, I am impressed.
May 2, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, Joe Hunter 73 said: Well done, I am impressed. The next stage is going to be if the powers that be will admit this thing was essentially engineered. Maybe not directly with something like CRISPR, but indirectly by cross infecting animals to create desired traits. This thing was 100% part of China’s duel civilian/military program. Everything they do is, essentially, duel purpose. Governments won’t want to admit it because of the panic it could cause and how that could turn populations into demanding war, but that’s the truth of the matter. Already you can see western countries suddenly start to realize what a tremendous mistake we have made by dealing with China as we would a good actor instead of the malevolent entity that they are. We are at war with them, whether we like it or not. It’s essentially a Cold War that only one side has been fighting. Time man up and destroy another evil empire. Cut them off from all trade with the west to starve them of foreign currencies, but them off from financial markets so they can’t access capital, cut off their trade for raw materials, cancel all visas (especially student visas), and make them implode. That country is already a house of cards. We just need to give it the right push to make it collapse.
May 2, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: For all sad words of tongue and pen, The saddest are these, ‘TEW was right again.’ Has this been reported by any legitimate news agencies? I don't know anything about John Roberts, but anything coming from Trump State Media should be taken with the finest grain of salt in my mind. Quote Trump Officials Are Said to Press Spies to Link Virus and Wuhan Labs Some analysts are worried that the pressure from senior officials could distort assessments about the coronavirus and be used as a weapon in an escalating battle with China. WASHINGTON — Senior Trump administration officials have pushed American spy agencies to hunt for evidence to support an unsubstantiated theory that a government laboratory in Wuhan, China, was the origin of the coronavirus outbreak, according to current and former American officials. The effort comes as President Trump escalates a public campaign to blame China for the pandemic. Some intelligence analysts are concerned that the pressure from administration officials will distort assessments about the virus and that they could be used as a political weapon in an intensifying battle with China over a disease that has infected more than three million people across the globe. Most intelligence agencies remain skeptical that conclusive evidence of a link to a lab can be found, and scientists who have studied the genetics of the coronavirus say that the overwhelming probability is that it leapt from animal to human in a nonlaboratory setting, as was the case with H.I.V., Ebola and SARS. Mr. Trump’s aides and Republicans in Congress have sought to blame China for the pandemic in part to deflect criticism of the administration’s mismanagement of the crisis in the United States, which now has more coronavirus cases than any country. More than one million Americans have been infected, and more than 60,000 have died. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, a former C.I.A. director and the administration’s most vocal hard-liner on China, has taken the lead in pushing American intelligence agencies for more information, according to current and former officials. Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser who reported on SARS outbreaks as a journalist in China, pressed intelligence agencies in January to gather information that might support any origin theory linked to a lab. And Anthony Ruggiero, the head of the National Security Council’s bureau tracking weapons of mass destruction, expressed frustration during one videoconference in January that the C.I.A. was unable to get behind any theory of the outbreak’s origin. C.I.A. analysts responded that they simply did not have the evidence to support any one theory with high confidence at the time, according to people familiar with the conversation. The C.I.A.’s judgment was based in part on the fact that no signs had emerged that the Chinese government believed the outbreak came from a lab. The Chinese government has vigorously denied that the virus leaked from a lab while pushing disinformation on its origins, including suggesting that the American military created it. Any American intelligence report blaming a Chinese institution and officials for the outbreak could significantly harm relations with China for years to come. And Trump administration officials could use it to try to prod other nations to publicly hold China accountable for coronavirus deaths even when the pandemic’s exact origins cannot be determined. Mr. Trump made clear on Thursday evening of his interest in intelligence supporting the theory the virus emerged accidentally from a Wuhan lab. In response to a question from a reporter, the president said he had seen intelligence that supported the idea but quickly backtracked, adding that he "was not allowed” to share the intelligence and that his administration was examining multiple theories about the origin of the virus. "There’s a lot of theories,” he said, "but we have people looking at it very, very strongly. Scientific people, intelligence people and others.” In a statement released earlier on Thursday, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said that the intelligence community "will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan.” Intelligence agencies, the statement said, concur "with the wide scientific consensus that the Covid-19 virus was not man-made or genetically modified.” The State Department declined to answer questions about Mr. Pompeo’s role. Spokesmen for the White House and the National Security Council declined to comment. NBC News reported earlier that administration officials had directed intelligence agencies to try to determine whether China and the World Health Organization hid information early on about the outbreak. For months, scientists, spies and government officials have wrestled with varying theories about how the outbreak began, and many agree on the importance of determining the genesis of the pandemic. In government and academia, experts have ruled out the notion that it was concocted as a bioweapon. And they agree that the new pathogen began as a bat virus that evolved naturally, probably in another mammal, to become adept at infecting and killing humans. A few scientists and national security experts have pointed to a history of lab accidents infecting researchers to suggest it might have happened in this case, but many scientists have dismissed such theories. "We do not believe any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible,” five scientists wrote in a paper published in March in Nature Medicine. Mr. Trump has spoken publicly about the administration’s "very serious investigations” of the virus’s origin and China’s culpability. Those inquiries took on new urgency in late March, when intelligence officials presented information to the White House that prompted some career officials to reconsider the lab theory. The precise nature of the information, based in part on intercepted communications among Chinese officials, is unclear. The current and former officials did not say whether Mr. Trump himself, who has shown little regard for the independent judgments of intelligence and law enforcement officials, has pressured the intelligence agencies. But he does want any information supporting the lab theory to set the stage for holding China responsible, according to two people familiar with his thinking. He has expressed interest in an idea pushed by Michael Pillsbury, an informal China adviser to the White House, that Beijing could be sued for damages, with the United States seeking $10 million for every death. At a news conference this week, Mr. Trump said the administration was discussing a "very substantial” reparations claim against China — an idea that Beijing has already denounced. "President Trump is demanding to know the origins of the virus and what Xi Jinping knew when about the cover-up,” Mr. Pillsbury said. Looking at the Labs Major gaps remain in what is known about the new pathogen, including which kind of animal infected humans with the coronavirus and where the first transmission took place. Richard Grenell, the acting director of national intelligence, has told his agencies to make a priority of determining the virus’s origin. His office convened a review of intelligence officials on April 7 to see whether the agencies could reach a consensus. The officials determined that at least so far, they could not. Intelligence officials have repeatedly pointed out to the White House that determining the origins of the outbreak is fundamentally a scientific question that cannot be solved easily by spycraft. A former intelligence official described senior aides’ repeated emphasis of the lab theory as "conclusion shopping,” a disparaging term among analysts that has echoes of the Bush administration’s 2002 push for assessments saying that Iraq had weapons of mass of destruction and links to Al Qaeda, perhaps the most notorious example of the politicization of intelligence. The C.I.A. has yet to unearth any data beyond circumstantial evidence to bolster the lab theory, according to current and former government officials, and the agency has told policymakers it lacks enough information to either affirm or refute it. Only getting access to the lab itself and the virus samples it contains could provide definitive proof, if it exists, the officials said. The Defense Intelligence Agency recently changed its analytic position to formally leave open the possibility of a theory of lab origin, officials said. Senior agency officials have asked analysts to take a closer look at the labs. The reason for the change is unclear, but some officials attributed it to the intelligence analyzed in recent weeks. Others took a more jaundiced view: that the agency is trying to curry favor with White House officials. A spokesman for the agency, James M. Kudla, disputed that characterization. "It’s not D.I.A.’s role to make policy decisions or value judgments — and we do not,” he said. Some American officials have become convinced that Beijing is not sharing all it knows. Among Mr. Trump’s top aides, Mr. Pompeo in particular has tried to hammer China over the lab. On Wednesday, he said that the United States still had not "gained access” to the main campus of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, one of two sites that American officials who favor the lab accident theory have focused on, along with the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Labs in Wuhan research bat viruses and are known to American officials; they are part of a coordinated global effort to monitor viruses. The virology institute has received funding and training from American agencies and scientists. Mr. Pompeo seemed to refer to internal information about the outbreak during an interview on April 17 with Hugh Hewitt, a conservative radio host. "We know that the Chinese Communist Party, when it began to evaluate what to do inside of Wuhan, considered whether the W.I.V. was, in fact, the place where this came from,” said Mr. Pompeo, referring to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The State Department declined to indicate what was behind his assertion. Scientists Weigh In Scientists who study the coronavirus have maintained that the initial spillover from animal to person could have occurred in any number of ways: at a farm where wild animals are raised, through accidental contact with a bat or another animal that carried the virus, or in hunting or transporting animals. The scientists have also scrutinized the new pathogen’s genes, finding that they show great similarity to bat coronaviruses and bear no hints of human tampering or curation. The odds were astronomical against a lab release as opposed to an event in nature, said Kristian G. Andersen, the lead author of the paper published in Nature Medicine and a specialist in infectious disease at the Scripps Research Translational Institute in California. He acknowledged that it was theoretically possible that a researcher had found the new virus, fully evolved, in a bat or other animal and taken it into the lab. But, he said, based on the evidence his team gathered and the numerous opportunities for infection in the interactions that many farmers, hunters and others have with wild animals, "there just isn’t a reason to consider the lab as a potential explanation.” No evidence supports the theory that the coronavirus originated "in a laboratory either intentionally or by accident,” Daniel R. Lucey, an expert on pandemics at Georgetown University who has closely tracked what is known about the origins, wrote this week. He has called on China to share information about animals sold at a market in Wuhan that was linked to some of the earliest known cases of people infected with the virus, though not the first one. Dr. Lucey has raised questions about whether the market was, in fact, where the virus spilled over from animals to people. The limited information released about environmental samples taken from the market that were positive for the coronavirus do not resolve whether the source was animals sold there or people working or visiting the market, or both, he wrote. But Richard Ebright, a microbiologist and biosafety expert at Rutgers University, has argued that the probability of a lab accident was "substantial,” pointing to a history of such occurrences that have infected researchers. The Wuhan labs and other centers worldwide that examine naturally occurring viruses have questionable safety rules, he said, adding, "The standards are lax and need to be tightened.” American officials said they closely watched China’s government this winter for signs of a lab accident but found nothing conclusive. In February, President Xi Jinping stressed the need for a plan to ensure the "biosafety and biosecurity of the country.” And the Ministry of Science and Technology announced new guidelines for laboratories, especially ones handling viruses. Global Times, a popular state-run newspaper, then published an article on "chronic inadequate management issues” at laboratories, including problems with biological disposal. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/us/politics/trump-administration-intelligence-coronavirus-china.html Before you attack the NYT, I'd offer that this is just the most detailed piece I've found on the matter that has been recently published. All the other news agencies haven't gone beyond merely reporting that the matter is "under investigation." It seems to me that the investigation is taking place under heavy pressure from the executive branch to keep "investigating" until they can dig up something in Trump's favor.
May 2, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: The next stage is going to be if the powers that be will admit this thing was essentially engineered. Maybe not directly with something like CRISPR, but indirectly by cross infecting animals to create desired traits. This thing was 100% part of China’s duel civilian/military program. Everything they do is, essentially, duel purpose. Governments won’t want to admit it because of the panic it could cause and how that could turn populations into demanding war, but that’s the truth of the matter. Already you can see western countries suddenly start to realize what a tremendous mistake we have made by dealing with China as we would a good actor instead of the malevolent entity that they are. We are at war with them, whether we like it or not. It’s essentially a Cold War that only one side has been fighting. Time man up and destroy another evil empire. Cut them off from all trade, financial markets, cut off their trade for raw materials, cancel all visas (especially student visas), and make them implode. That country is already a house of cards. We just need to give it the right push to make it collapse. The problem is that the house of cards is a nuclear power.
May 2, 20205 yr 28 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: That’s pretty cool of them to do He can't be hanging out at everyone's houses! I'm telling!
May 2, 20205 yr 21 minutes ago, Bill said: The problem is that the house of cards is a nuclear power. So was the USSR. They’re rational actors. They’re not going to nuke the US over getting cut off from trade when we have something like 50 times more nukes all of which are more accurate and functional.
May 2, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Has this been reported by any legitimate news agencies? I don't know anything about John Roberts, but anything coming from Trump State Media should be taken with the finest grain of salt in my mind. Before you attack the NYT, I'd offer that this is just the most detailed piece I've found on the matter that has been recently published. All the other news agencies haven't gone beyond merely reporting that the matter is "under investigation." It seems to me that the investigation is taking place under heavy pressure from the executive branch to keep "investigating" until they can dig up something in Trump's favor. If you care about motives, look at the articles written by the authors of that piece versus Roberts and decide for yourself who has the biased motivations.
May 2, 20205 yr More and more places near me seem to be setting up delivery and/or pickup systems for food. My favorite butcher, fishmonger and farm all have systems now. Had some smoked bluefish and local oysters shipped to my front door the other day, fresh grown veggies and dairy come Monday. I'm not hating this part of the lockdown. I know some of you are in Houston and Virginia. Here's an online source for local farmers market deliveries/pickup ordering: https://sourcewhatsgood.com/. It's only set up for Boston, Rhode Island, Virginia, Chicago, Houston, and New Orleans though.
May 2, 20205 yr 19 minutes ago, TEW said: So was the USSR. They’re rational actors. They’re not going to nuke the US over getting cut off from trade when we have something like 50 times more nukes all of which are more accurate and functional. The thing with China is that they're always looking through the turn when we only care about the pavement five feet in front of the car and drive like the road was a quarter mile behind us. I have been calling for serious consequences against China since the old board. Taiwan needs to be diplomatically recognized and they need to feel a lot of heat trade wise. The issue is what Europe will do. When it comes to China, I view them as soft. Also this hasn't hit Japan like it has everywhere else, so I don't know how much skin they're going to want to put in the game.
May 2, 20205 yr China didn’t get enough - they just unleashed another new enemy called the murder hornet. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/02/us/asian-giant-hornet-washington.html
May 2, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Bill said: The thing with China is that they're always looking through the turn when we only care about the pavement five feet in front of the car and drive like the road was a quarter mile behind us. I have been calling for serious consequences against China since the old board. Taiwan needs to be diplomatically recognized and they need to feel a lot of heat trade wise. The issue is what Europe will do. When it comes to China, I view them as soft. Also this hasn't hit Japan like it has everywhere else, so I don't know how much skin they're going to want to put in the game. Europe goes as the Americans go. This will be a security issue for NATO members. Japan already has a multi billion dollar fund paying Japanese companies to leave China. They hate China more than we ever will. What’s lost is that the WuFlu is the catalyst. It’s turning the Sino-apologists into Sino-skeptics. It’s no longer a partisan issue where because Trump is against them, the moronic left is for them. Biden, Pelosi, etc are now on board.
May 2, 20205 yr 22 minutes ago, TEW said: Europe goes as the Americans go. This will be a security issue for NATO members. Japan already has a multi billion dollar fund paying Japanese companies to leave China. They hate China more than we ever will. What’s lost is that the WuFlu is the catalyst. It’s turning the Sino-apologists into Sino-skeptics. It’s no longer a partisan issue where because Trump is against them, the moronic left is for them. Biden, Pelosi, etc are now on board. So you're in charge. What do you do?
May 2, 20205 yr https://www.nothingbutthetruthmd.com/2020/05/5220-covid-19-update.html Good evening, What if? In Pennsylvania, like in many other states, and the US, the doubling time of the Covid-19 infections was about 2.5 days during the month of March. In Pennsylvania we went from 2 infections on March 2nd, to 5805 infections by the end of March. Measures that many feel are draconian have been instituted, the doubling rate is up to 18 days. The increase in the rate of new infections is going down but the number of new infections is still going up. Last night I watched the news and welcomed reports of restrictions being lessened in the surrounding states. Superficial plans of how this was going to occur, were broadcast. Continued physical distancing when possible was advised and the limitations on the size of group gatherings was mentioned. I heard no mention on KYW (it is possible that I missed it, but then so did my wife) of the importance of continuing to wear masks or that they would continue to be mandated. Going forward with easing, conditions in our State will be somewhere between the conditions in March and the conditions in the latter half of April. THESE ARE REAL NUMBERS: BASED ON THEORIES OF WHAT MAY OCCUR "But nations seldom listen to advice from individuals, however reasonable. They are taught less by theories than by facts and events." F. Douglas, August 1861 In the last fourteen days there have been 15902 new cases of Covid-19 in the state of Pennsylvania. Currently there are 2862 patients in hospitals, and for the purpose of this discussion, I will assume they are not infecting anybody, and they all came from the infected population of the last 14 days. That leaves 13,039 active cases in the public domain. (I will not consider asymptomatic cases as they were not included in the original data sets) Under conditions that existed in early March, in 13 days (5 doubles) we will have 208,624 new cases of Covid-19 At a doubling rate of 5 days, we will have 104,312 new cases of Covid-19 in 15 days. At a doubling rate of 8 days, we will have 104,312 new cases of Covid-19 in a little less than a month. At a doubling rate of 13 days, we will have 26,138 new cases if Covid-19 in a little less than a month. I harbor trepidations that our doubling rate will not remain at 18 days or even go higher, unless our compliance with living safely practices increases. If compliance does not increase, but instead decreases, in a very short time, we will have significantly more cases than we ever had in the State of Pennsylvania. I hope that we are not forced to learn from such an event in our state but can learn from the events in Taiwan, which are discussed below. I want very much to return to "a new normal" (I am under no delusion that we will be able to return to mid 2019 lifestyles, more importantly, I readily accept this) The conditions under which we ALL will live will may be decided by 20% to 40% of the population, if they choose to be non-compliant. Proning Acad Emerg Med April 22, 2020 Normally patients are cared for on their backs. As I mentioned in an email several days ago, we are sometimes tending to patients with severe Covid-19 infection who have been intubated , in the face down position. This is difficult and risks complications. The theory is that there is a better matching of blood supply and oxygen in the distal lung scas. In this observational, non-randomized study in a New York City Emergency room, 50 non-intubated patients placed themselves in the prone position. Their room air oxygen saturations (a surrogate measure of oxygen in the bloodstream measured by a machine that is extremely common these days) was between 69 and 85, mean 80. For a normal healthy individual it is usually over 98. Oxygen was delivered to these patients in various concentrations from 28% to over 60% (air is 21%) and the mean oxygen concentration increased to 84%, significantly abnormal for a healthy patient breathing supplemental oxygen. After assuming the prone position their oxygen saturations increased to a mean of 95%. Thirteen patients failed to improve or maintain adequate oxygen saturations and were intubated within 24 hours. It is premature to state that this is a life saving procedure. Fatalities were not a measured outcome so we can say nothing of lives saved. It is encouraging and certainly should be investigated further. To make statements concerning efficacy we would need to take 50 similar patients and treat them without proning. It would be interesting to see if proning at the moment that intubation was going to be performed would have decreased the number of patients requiring intubation. Most Important Lessons From Taiwan Contact Tracing From: JAMA Network Author Interviews Dr. Hsien-Ho Lin National Taiwan University The experience gained from the first 100 cases of RT-PCR confirmed Covid-19 Taiwan is a country of 24 Million. The data presented was from the Taiwan Center of Disease Control to date they have 432 cases and 6 total deaths (they must be doing something right) Dr. Lin emphasized their previous experience with SARS and the preparation that were subsequently developed was a very important part of the countries success in dealing with Covid-19. The public health department was very interested in discovering the transmission timing of Covid-19. They wanted to determine the secondary attack rate from an index patient to close contacts (secondary contacts) that were confirmed by RT-PCR testing. They began by tracing contacts of symptomatic patients and they quickly discovered that by the time the index case was beginning to have symptoms secondary attack rates had already begun. They therefore changed their protocol and began testing contacts of the index case for the previous five days before symptoms. Based on their findings they showed that transmissibility increases up to about five to seven days after symptoms begins and then begins to abate. That viral shedding after this time period may only be viral parts that are not infective. Contacts with the index case seven days after symptom onset showed markedly reduced infection rates. SARS was usually not infective until about day five of symptoms, making it much easier to track and contain. Dr. Lin stated that very little was done in the way of physical distancing or "shutting down" in their successful efforts to combat the virus. He attributes much of their success to very high compliance with the use of face masks and hand hygiene and the fact that they had ample stockpiles of face masks for their entire populace. The fact that they were able to keep their Covid-19 case number down by high compliance with face masks and hand hygiene made case tracking possible. Two complementary strategies that led to great success for Taiwan. He noted that for household contacts, where transmission rates are about seven to eight times higher, isolation (physical distancing is utilized) He also made mention of the fact that in their Healthcare Worker population, the infection rate is lower than in the general population, despite their increased exposure, and he attributes that to the near 100% compliance with wearing face masks and hand hygiene in the Hospitals and Nursing Homes. They also utilized multiple daily broadcasts to the people of physical distancing (although never mandated) when possible and the importance of wearing face masks. The study also highlights the importance of being able to carry this out very quickly to minimize spread. I can only imagine the numbers of people that must have been devoted to this very important process and many were working near 24 hours a day. Number: 1800 from the Hopkins website Testing - 6,816,347 (264,537 test in the last 24 hours) USA - 1,126,021 (up 2.86% down from 3.6%, 6793 fewer cases than the day before) New York - 312,977 (up 1.51%, up from 1.29% the day before) New Jersey - 123,717 (up 2.08%, up from 2.13% the day before) Pennsylvania - 50,494 ( up 1.84%, , down from 3.35% from the day before, 693 fewer new cases than the day before) Maryland - 24,473 (up 4,26% down from 7.90% the day before, 607 fewer new cases than the day before) South Carolina - 6489 ( up 6.46 % over the last two days) Texas - 30,537 - (up 4.32% up from 3.38% the day before) World - 3,407.983 ( up 2.34% up from 2.10% the day before) Projections Fatalities for this day were higher across the board than projected, except for Texas. This indicates that the reverse slope of the projection curve is much flatter than expected, recovery will take longer that expected. Bed Utilization was higher across the board BUT for the first time all states were utilizing fewer beds than the day before!! We are just recovering more slowly than expected. Many thanks to any and all of you who continue to send this message out to other readers. Most days I receive a message from someone that I do not know, so I am well aware and grateful for your efforts. Live Safely Be Well
May 2, 20205 yr 32 minutes ago, DBW said: China didn’t get enough - they just unleashed another new enemy called the murder hornet. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/02/us/asian-giant-hornet-washington.html First corona death in Washington State. First killer hornets in Washington State. That's it: China is launching all of their attacks in Washington there must be spies living there. About right IE4?
May 2, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, Bill said: So you're in charge. What do you do? Deny them access to the dollar and the financial system at large. Deny them dollars by cutting off trade. Get the whole western world in on it. They have to buy their raw materials using dollars and euros because no one wants any part of their currency. Cut off trade. Go to Africa and cut deals/payoff whoever is needed to deny them access to the fundamental materials needed for an economy to survive (oil, iron, plastics, etc). Then make popcorn.
May 2, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, TEW said: Deny them access to the dollar and the financial system at large. They have to buy their raw materials using dollars and euros because no one wants any part of their currency. Cut off trade. Go to Africa and cut deals/payoff whoever is needed to deny them access to the fundamental materials needed for an economy to survive (oil, iron, plastics, etc). Then make popcorn. Well we have the poster boy of that in prime position what is he waiting for? 🙂
May 2, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, TEW said: Deny them access to the dollar and the financial system at large. Deny them dollars by cutting off trade. Get the whole western world in on it. They have to buy their raw materials using dollars and euros because no one wants any part of their currency. Cut off trade. Go to Africa and cut deals/payoff whoever is needed to deny them access to the fundamental materials needed for an economy to survive (oil, iron, plastics, etc). Then make popcorn. At what point do you let them back in? What's the end game?
May 2, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Bill said: At what point do you let them back in? What's the end game? Trumps buys China instead of Greenland?
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