2 minutes ago, Eaglesfandan said:

What is the actual mortality rate of COVID anywoo?

3.4M confirmed 250K dead (worldwide)

It's impossible to know the Covid-19 mortality rate without more testing.  

CDC failed to provide working tests in the U.S. so we've been behind since the beginning.

But by my calculations the rate is about 5% of those who have actually tested positive for the virus

21 minutes ago, Eaglesfandan said:

What is the actual mortality rate of COVID anywoo?

According to a Stanford study LINK it has a fatality rate of 0.12-0.2%. 

Speaking of Stanford:

The tragedy of the COVID-19 pandemic appears to be entering the containment phase. Tens of thousands of Americans have died, and Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts. Leaders must examine accumulated data to see what has actually happened, rather than keep emphasizing hypothetical projections; combine that empirical evidence with fundamental principles of biology established for decades; and then thoughtfully restore the country to function.

Five key facts are being ignored by those calling for continuing the near-total lockdown.

Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.

The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent, a risk far lower than previous World Health Organization estimates that were 20 to 30 times higher and that motivated isolation policies.   In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000.  Of all fatal cases in New York state, two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness. If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. And young adults and children in normal health have almost no risk of any serious illness from COVID-19.

Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.

We can learn about hospital utilization from data from New York City, the hotbed of COVID-19 with more than 34,600 hospitalizations to date. For those under 18 years of age, hospitalization from the virus is 0.01 percent, or 11 per 100,000 people; for those 18 to 44 years old, hospitalization is 0.1 percent. Even for people ages 65 to 74, only 1.7 percent were hospitalized. Of 4,103 confirmed COVID-19 patients with symptoms bad enough to seek medical care, Dr. Leora Horwitz of NYU Medical Center concluded "age is far and away the strongest risk factor for hospitalization." Even early WHO reports noted that 80 percent of all cases were mild, and more recent studies show a far more widespread rate of infection and lower rate of serious illness. Half of all people testing positive for infection have no symptoms at all. The vast majority of younger, otherwise healthy people do not need significant medical care if they catch this infection.

Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.

We know from decades of medical science that infection itself allows people to generate an immune response — antibodies — so that the infection is controlled throughout the population by "herd immunity.” Indeed, that is the main purpose of widespread immunization in other viral diseases — to assist with population immunity. In this virus, we know that medical care is not even necessary for the vast majority of people who are infected. It is so mild that half of infected people are asymptomatic, shown in early data from the Diamond Princess ship, and then in Iceland and Italy. That has been falsely portrayed as a problem requiring mass isolation. In fact, infected people without severe illness are the immediately available vehicle for establishing widespread immunity. By transmitting the virus to others in the low-risk group who then generate antibodies, they block the network of pathways toward the most vulnerable people, ultimately ending the threat. Extending whole-population isolation would directly prevent that widespread immunity from developing.

Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.

Critical health care for millions of Americans is being ignored and people are dying to accommodate "potential” COVID-19 patients and for fear of spreading the disease. Most states and many hospitals abruptly stopped "nonessential” procedures and surgery. That prevented diagnoses of life-threatening diseases, like cancer screening, biopsies of tumors now undiscovered and potentially deadly brain aneurysms. Treatments, including emergency care, for the most serious illnesses were also missed. Cancer patients deferred chemotherapy. An estimated 80 percent of brain surgery cases were skipped. Acute stroke and heart attack patients missed their only chances for treatment, some dying and many now facing permanent disability.

Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.

The overwhelming evidence all over the world consistently shows that a clearly defined group — older people and others with underlying conditions — is more likely to have a serious illness requiring hospitalization and more likely to die from COVID-19. Knowing that, it is a commonsense, achievable goal to target isolation policy to that group, including strictly monitoring those who interact with them. Nursing home residents, the highest risk, should be the most straightforward to systematically protect from infected people, given that they already live in confined places with highly restricted entry.

The appropriate policy, based on fundamental biology and the evidence already in hand, is to institute a more focused strategy like some outlined in the first place: Strictly protect the known vulnerable, self-isolate the mildly sick and open most workplaces and small businesses with some prudent large-group precautions. This would allow the essential socializing to generate immunity among those with minimal risk of serious consequence, while saving lives, preventing overcrowding of hospitals and limiting the enormous harms compounded by continued total isolation. Let’s stop underemphasizing empirical evidence while instead doubling down on hypothetical models. Facts matter.

Scott W. Atlas, MD, is the David and Joan Traitel Senior Fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution and the former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center.

39 minutes ago, Eaglesfandan said:

What is the actual mortality rate of COVID anywoo?

Very much depends on your age, general health, and even potentially viral subtype.  And considering how much underreporting there, how little testing was done, and how many asymptomatic people there likely are it'll be really tough to get anything accurate for quite some time unfortunately.

59 minutes ago, TEW said:

Then make popcorn.

I'm in. Better be making more than popcorn.

1 hour ago, Mlodj said:

According to a Stanford study LINK it has a fatality rate of 0.12-0.2%. 

The Santa Clara study was flawed IMO. I’m sure these flaws will be heavily scrutinized when it is peer reviewed.  The sampling was targeted and not random, so there is a bias to over sample people who likely were more likely to have contracted COVID-19.  
Also, the antibody tests have had accuracy issues.

2 hours ago, Bill said:

At what point do you let them back in? What's the end game?

Destroying the CCP and replacing them with leadership that isn’t an Orwellian existential threat to humanity.

You let them join the advanced first world community when they start acting like an advanced first world country.

12 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

The Santa Clara study was flawed IMO. I’m sure these flaws will be heavily scrutinized when it is peer reviewed.  The sampling was targeted and not random, so there is a bias to over sample people who likely were more likely to have contracted COVID-19.  
Also, the antibody tests have had accuracy issues.

The pcr test have had significant issues as well depending on the studies have ranged from 25-30% false negative rate. 

2 minutes ago, Lorddevn said:

The pcr test have had significant issues as well depending on the studies have ranged from 25-30% false negative rate. 

The false negative rate for all our current testing (anecdotally) seems like it's going to end up being shockingly high.

5 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Why was he banned again?  Is he one of the people that are definitely not welcome back?

I know he was suspended for openly holocaust denying. I think he was finally banned for hijacking every thread in TATE and obsessing over Nick Foles

 

6 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Indeed, there is cars and people everywhere and places that weren't supposed to open yet are open. Oh well I've had enough myself

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but this hoax isn't going to be over anytime soon. 

They're going to claim a second wave and more than likely a third wave, they'll blame those that protested the lock-down and the states that are re-open now but those who deserve the blame are all who are falling for the hoax, aka, the Mask Wearers. 

Expect the alarm to go off late-May to mid-June with reports of bodies piling up.

Unless the NFL plans on playing in empty stadiums there will be no football this year.

 

11 hours ago, EagleVA said:

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but this hoax isn't going to be over anytime soon. 

They're going to claim a second wave and more than likely a third wave, they'll blame those that protested the lock-down and the states that are re-open now but those who deserve the blame are all who are falling for the hoax, aka, the Mask Wearers. 

Expect the alarm to go off late-May to mid-June with reports of bodies piling up.

Unless the NFL plans on playing in empty stadiums there will be no football this year.

 

Well I have to go to work everyday regardless and wear a mask if I want to continue to keep my job. So I have to deal with it no matter what they do. All I'm saying is I'm burned out from it as a lot of essential workers are right now. 

Maybe Kz is actually Rudy Giuliani. 

Lots of graduation and birthday parties in my neighborhood this weekend. People seem to have lost interest in social distancing. 

On 5/2/2020 at 12:19 PM, TEW said:

 

For all sad words of tongue and pen, The saddest are these, ‘TEW was right again.’

Yeah i wouldnt have bet my paycheck but logic pointed directly to that lab.  And as ive mentioned before, if you want to release that virus to f the US economy you would try make it appear as an accident so im not completely sold on the idea that this wasn’t intentional yet.  Probably will never know for sure. 
 

either way F china.  Yup.  I said it 

41 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

Yeah i wouldnt have bet my paycheck but logic pointed directly to that lab.  And as ive mentioned before, if you want to release that virus to f the US economy you would try make it appear as an accident so im not completely sold on the idea that this wasn’t intentional yet.  Probably will never know for sure. 
 

either way F china.  Yup.  I said it 

Everyone has said that.

2 hours ago, SNOORDA said:

Yeah i wouldnt have bet my paycheck but logic pointed directly to that lab.  And as ive mentioned before, if you want to release that virus to f the US economy you would try make it appear as an accident so im not completely sold on the idea that this wasn’t intentional yet.  Probably will never know for sure. 
 

either way F china.  Yup.  I said it 

I don’t think they’d intentionally do it to themselves.

They could release it near any of the labs in the US or Canada if they wanted to do it intentionally and achieve the same effect with plausible deniability and be able to shut down travel and limit the damage to themselves.

These labs were reported as being unsafe for years. The simple answer is the best explanation: China has zero moral trepidation, they have zero quality control standards, they were experimenting on viruses and they made a really big oopsy!

12 minutes ago, TEW said:

I don’t think they’d intentionally do it to themselves.

They could release it near any of the labs in the US or Canada if they wanted to do it intentionally and achieve the same effect with plausible deniability and be able to shut down travel and limit the damage to themselves.

These labs were reported as being unsafe for years. The simple answer is the best explanation: China has zero moral trepidation, they have zero quality control standards, they were experimenting on viruses and they made a really big oopsy!

That’s part of the "oops we accidentally let it out” part. Besides,    Its easier to deal with if you know what And when its coming.   
 

releasing it in the US would be a flat out act of war and it would certainly point back to china.   
 

Releasing to their own then the world gave them the better chance to deny and overcome 

https://www.nothingbutthetruthmd.com/2020/05/5320-covid-19-update.html

Good evening,

Stillwater, a city within the state of Oklahoma, ends face mask rule- IDIOTS A few miscreants jeopardize the health of many. The weak kneed, lily livered Mayor, should have used his authority to enforce the mandate in any way necessary.  A law, not enforced, is similar to mammary glands on a bull.

 

Pennsylvania recovery plan includes wearing masks through all phases, kudos to Governor Wolf

 

Brief Point:

 

To be clear,  of the three mitigating practices, hand hygiene, physical distancing and wearing masks, masks are singularly the most important practice.  This is based on the consensus that transmission is most likely from respiratory aerosols and more likely respiratory droplets. (contaminated surfaces are a concern) Healthcare workers cannot physically distance much of the time but appear to be doing well since masks for all was mandated in this Country.  There is the experience from Taiwan, demonstrating a reduced infection rate in healthcare workers as compared to the general public, attributed to near 100% compliance with masks by healthcare workers, as noted by Public Health officials in that country.  I care less about physical distancing, because much of the time I can't,  but will continue to practice good hand hygiene and wearing my MASK!

 

I believe the chance of transmitting/catching the disease when everyone is wearing masks is extremely minimal.  The safety net can be improved by asking those who are coughing or sneezing to stay home.

 

Let me get my haircut and my nails done as long as my stylist and I are both wearing masks.  (really don't remember ever having my nails done  but I will try anything once.)  Any activity where masks can be worn 100% of the time should be a go.

 

Convalescent Plasma

 

Treatment with convalescent plasma is sort of a low tech operation, which has moved in and out of favor for well over 100 years. It involves collecting plasma from healthy people who have recovered from the disease in question and injecting that serum into individuals suffering actively from the disease.  The theory is based on the concept of neutralizing antibodies being contained in the serum of patients who have recovered and manufactured these protective antibodies.

 

The use of serum plasma was first described in 1893 by a German scientist who used plasma from animals immunized against diptheria to treat patients with the disease.

 

In 1901 Dr. Emil von Behring won the Nobel Prize in Medicine or Physiology, by demonstrating that neutralizing antibodies or antitoxins could be transferred from one person to another.

 

Dr. von Behring carried out further research using diphtheria rich antibody serum to treat patients with diphtheria with Dr. Paul Erlich and they shared the Nobel Prize in Medicine or Physiology for their work in 1908.

 

Plasma therapy has been used to treat patients with the Spanish flu in 1918, and SARS and MERS more recently, with mixed results.  There were few if any, controlled, blinded studies, to inform the medical community of the efficacy for this treatment modality.

 

In 2019 there was a well controlled, randomized trial of convalescent plasma used in 140 children and adults.  The study utilized convalescent plasma or standard plasma in the two treatment arms.  This double blinded study demonstrated no benefit to convalescent serum use.

 

The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (Dr. Fauci is president) does not intend to pursue a study utilizing convalescent serum.

 

The FDA has given "expanded access" , also known as "compassionate use" to the use of convalescent serum.  I am troubled by this concept.  Aren't most physicians compassionate?  I believe we all wish our patients to survive!  As of April 27, there have been 2576 patients who have received convalescent serum and we have gained ZERO information concerning efficacy.  For sure, patients have been put at increased risk, there is serum sickness to consider and the increased risk of thrombosis and healthcare dollars have been wasted.  What we need most are well controlled studies to go along with compassion.

 

Stony Brook University is starting a randomized, double blinded study, using convalescent serum in symptomatic patients with Covid-19 that will involve 500 patients and should provide valid information.  

 

 

Numbers:  1800 from the Hopkins website

 

Tests - 7,054,366 ( 257,019 tests performed in the last 24 hours)

 

USA - 1,154,340 (up 2.5%, down from 2.86% the day before, 3062 fewer cases than the day before)

 

New York - 316,415 (up 1.09%, down from 1.51 % the day before, 1229 fewer new cases than the day before)

 

New Jersey - 126,744 ( up 2.44%, up from 2.08% the day before)

 

Pennsylvania - 51,225 ( up 1.44% down from 1.84% the dy before, 184 fewer new cases than the day before)

 

Maryland - 25642 (up 4.77%, up from 4.26% the day before) Maryland has been over 4% for the last 4 days, not good

 

California - 53,840 (up 2.75% down from 3.69% the day before, down 424 new cases from the day before)

 

South Carolina - 6626 (up 2.11%

 

Texas - 31,589 ( 3.44% down from 4.32%, 213, fewer new cases than the day before

 

World - 2,494,671 ( up 2.54%, up from 2.34% the day before)

 

 

Projections

 

Fatalities were exceeded by all states but Pennsylvania and Texas.  South Carolina hit it on the nose.  Again this reflects as recovery much slower than projected.

 

Hospital bed utilization exceeded projections across the board and is a reflection of a slower recovery, but will also reflect increased hospital costs and a longer time to return to normal functioning.

 

Please continue to send this message out to new readers, the next four to six weeks will be critical.

 

Live Safely

Be Well

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21 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

Maybe Kz is actually Rudy Giuliani. 

It was approved in 2014, for 5 years, reauthorized in 2019.  But the meme said....

haha!  cheeto was president in 2017 when the $ was given to the wuhan lab.  "the right" with another epic self own!