Just now, dawkins4prez said:

They lied about the effectiveness of masks and social distancing. They lied about the safety of the vaccines. These things can be true and at the same time be great decisions. The masks and distancing were never about having a shield against the virus, they were about maintaining discipline as a society so we wouldn't all get sick at the same time and overrun the hospitals. The vaccines were not safe for everybody, but had to be forced on as many people as possible to get back to normal life.

They didn't lie, they gave guidelines that were as sensible as they could be given what was understood.

And the safety of the vaccines was also understood to be unknown for all cohorts, but the lives saved by getting the vaccines out are VASTLY greater than the negatives of the vaccines.

1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said:

Your government lies to you all the time, they do it even more during a war or pandemic because we are in fact, panicky animals in herds. You can only judge them on if it was worth it after the fact. It was a global pandemic, some decisions made were wrong, others were correct.

This is entirely wrong.

Again, giving the best advice to save the most people is not "lying". They are charged with saving as many lives as possible and preventing the spread of a pandemic.

You would have to be able to prove that Fauci was doing things entirely based on asserting power, and not in the interest of public health.

Literally none of the above are lies. It was the best advice based on available information in the moment. Masks and distancing are effective for viruses similar to Covid, and studies show that masks were moderately to highly effective in preventing spread - contingent on the quality of the masks and how well they were fitted. KN95 and N95 masks were best, but studies showed even surgical masks help reduce the spread well below expected. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11318738/ (and yes this study was subject to peer review)

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

They didn't lie, they gave guidelines that were as sensible as they could be given what was understood.

And the safety of the vaccines was also understood to be unknown for all cohorts, but the lives saved by getting the vaccines out are VASTLY greater than the negatives of the vaccines.

That's exactly what I said. Forcing the vaccines despite known dangers vastly outweighs the alternative.

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

You would have to be able to prove that Fauci was doing things entirely based on asserting power, and not in the interest of public health.

That's the exact opposite of what I said. His defense will be that the times he fudged the truth or hid information from the public, he did it specifically in the name of public health. It's exactly my point. Where as Trump outright made shite up on the regular in an attempt to assert power over something he didn't control.

11 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

They didn't lie, they gave guidelines that were as sensible as they could be given what was understood.

Fauci did not follow the playbooks that were built over decades pre-COVID by all the leading experts in the field for pandemic situations like COVID. Those plans were quickly abandoned under immense political and media pressure. You may believe it was the right decision at the time but the actual emergency plans and protocols were not followed by Fauci or others.

27 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Masks and distancing are effective for viruses similar to Covid, and studies show that masks were moderately to highly effective in preventing spread - contingent on the quality of the masks and how well they were fitted. KN95 and N95 masks were best, but studies showed even surgical masks help reduce the spread well below expected. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11318738/ (and yes this study was subject to peer review)

The study says what we already know. Properly worn surgical masks significantly help an individual both from contracting COVID and also from spreading it further. That's pretty much all the study says. It did say DIY masks "seemed" to help individuals from contracting COVID. The other point (the important one in my mind) of whether mask MANDATES do anything to stop the spread was not discussed at all in this study. The conclusion in the article is clear "masks, are, and were, effective". Nothing mentioned at all about mandates in the summary conclusion, of course.

On one hand, this is rhetarded. On the other hand, it's a great opportunity to post some phenomenal content of people faking vaccine injuries.

What a surprise, the party that supported modern day Notsee Platner, also support modern day Mengele Fauci. The pattern holds.

1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said:

They lied about the effectiveness of masks and social distancing. They lied about the safety of vaccines.

Once again, I'll ask you for evidence of this beyond the frothy ramblings of Rand Paul.

18 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

On one hand, this is rhetarded. On the other hand, it's a great opportunity to post some phenomenal content of people faking vaccine injuries.

Looks real to me. And I should know, I also film all of my shots.

things are so bad for repugs that they’re revisiting the covid pandemic their dear leader screwed the pooch on.

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

A study doesn't mean anything until it's peer reviewed and its findings are repeated.

NONE of the studies showing Ivermectin to be in any way effective ended up being reproducible. All subsequent studies in fact showed the opposite - that Ivermectin had exactly zero impact on recovery.

It's actually insane that we're still litigating the validity of ivermectin claims despite all the data now at our disposal. It's been 6 years, and the lies were so effective that liberals like d4p are STILL confused on what was fact vs what was fiction. Unreal.

1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said:

Ah, the Ivermectin. Again, panicky animals. Fauci, and every other health department in the world btw, decided to bury Ivermectin because the panicky animals could not be trusted to administer this and other home remedies responsibly. Ivermectin could theoretically be somewhat effective and burying it could still have been the correct choice. I had some stashed away in case of a life or death emergency.

My brother in Christ, please stop. You're absolutely destroying your credibility with each and every post on this.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

Fauci did not follow the playbooks that were built over decades pre-COVID by all the leading experts in the field for pandemic situations like COVID. Those plans were quickly abandoned under immense political and media pressure. You may believe it was the right decision at the time but the actual emergency plans and protocols were not followed by Fauci or others.

What the F are you talking about? What playbooks for a once in 100 year global pandemic did he abandon? Your commitment to being full of crap on COVID protocols boggles my mind man. Hazelton type behavior

11 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

What a surprise, the party that supported modern day Notsee Platner, also support modern day Mengele Fauci. The pattern holds.

Pipe down, Sarah. You proudly voted for a convicted felon and rapist, and you'd do it again given the opportunity.

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

My brother in Christ, please stop. You're absolutely destroying your credibility with each and every post on this.

I'm deliberately using language that shows the focus of my comments is not about the outcomes of the trials for or against. I'm focused on how governments have to make decisions on the information they have at hand and distill the information as responsibly as possible. That sometimes includes omitting, witholding or sometimes even distorting available information.

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

What the F are you talking about? What playbooks for a once in 100 year global pandemic did he abandon? Your commitment to being full of crap on COVID protocols boggles my mind man. Hazelton type behavior

He also wants us to forget how often he was posting Bret Weinstein tweets while pretending he was a credible source, and then saying outlandish shìt like he couldn't make any more posts about masks until after the election, but I'll make sure he never lives that down. Once a clown, always a clown.

3 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

I'm deliberately using language

You're deliberately making yourself sound just as dumb and uninformed as a Trump voter. Maybe give it a rest if you want the rest of us to take you seriously.

2 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

Ah, the Ivermectin. Again, panicky animals. Fauci, and every other health department in the world btw, decided to bury Ivermectin because the panicky animals could not be trusted to administer this and other home remedies responsibly. Ivermectin could theoretically be somewhat effective and burying it could still have been the correct choice. I had some stashed away in case of a life or death emergency.

Yeah, and if my Aunt had balls, she could theoretically be my uncle.

I mean, you're right on calling the whole "masks aren't necessary" lie at first to allow healthcare orgs to stock up on masks, but again it was for a populace that ran the shelves dry of toilet paper, because Australia ran out of toilet paper, because they have to import all their toilet paper, and the global supply chain ground to a halt, even though we make all our own toilet paper domestically, so I'm not going to fault that decision at all.

But, uh, yeah, none of the vaccine pushing or distancing was a lie.

43 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

What the F are you talking about? What playbooks for a once in 100 year global pandemic did he abandon? Your commitment to being full of crap on COVID protocols boggles my mind man. Hazelton type behavior

You know, the uh, Spanish Flu playbook, when the government advised the people to, uh, wear masks and practice social distancing.

7 minutes ago, Bill said:

Yeah, and if my Aunt had balls, she could theoretically be my uncle.

54 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

things are so bad for repugs that they’re revisiting the covid pandemic their dear leader screwed the pooch on.

it's hilarious, especially seeing @The_Omega spike the ball over it. 🤣

14 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

it's hilarious, especially seeing @The_Omega spike the ball over it. 🤣

It was odd seeing him actually use his own words instead of posting something someone else said like he usually does lmao