10 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Agreed, the variables in all the numbers in every category make this entire thing impossible to fully judge.  Not to mention the fact that we are only in the beginning.

None the less, the part that MIGHT be interesting is the lack of spread in Sweden. Everything is essentially back to fully open minus crowds and has been for close to three moths.  Buses are full, restaurants the same, no masks, etc.  What should we be expecting?  I'm not saying I know the answer.

That is wierd.  One thing that both scandinavian countries and asians countries have as an advantage over United Sates, or even worse, hispanic countries or even worse India; is that they have naturally social distanced societal norms.  They simply don't hug, kiss each other spit on each when drunk or conglomerate on top of each other like other cultures do.

25 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

That is wierd.  One thing that both scandinavian countries and asians countries have as an advantage over United Sates, or even worse, hispanic countries or even worse India; is that they have naturally social distanced societal norms.  They simply don't hug, kiss each other spit on each when drunk or conglomerate on top of each other like other cultures do.

That's true.  There is a built in social distancing in the culture.  No doubt about it.  Well perhaps except the the drunk part.  The rules tend to go out the door when alcohol in introduced.

I'm sure it is a combination of several things.  We are a healthy population relatively speaking, there is a built in social distancing, the medical system is top notch generally, hygiene is very high, etc.  All of that is no doubt a very very big factor.  Also, people tend to live in small households in terms of numbers of people.  There are many people living alone.

Still, the greater Stockholm area has about 2M people in it so it is a legit urban area and the streets, subways, buses, and restaurants/bars are back full.  Gothenburg and Malmo would also qualify.  I don't take the buses but people in Stockholm have told me they've been squeezed in since the main vacation period ended about a month ago.  We are still talking about humans who make all sort of mistakes and I don't see a lot of distancing much anymore. There is a bit in the lines to a cashier but not much more.  I'd say less than 5% of people are wearing masks if that.

I was in a hospital emergency ward for a couple of days back in the 1st half of July (gall stones) and the staff there told me that they didn't have anyone in the COVID ward anymore.  That was almost two months back in a hospital in downtown Stockholm.  No doubt a 2nd wave could be just around the corner but things are very quiet at the moment.

Stockholm sounds like a tinderbox

27 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

That's true.  There is a built in social distancing in the culture.  No doubt about it.  Well perhaps except the the drunk part.  The rules tend to go out the door when alcohol in introduced.

I'm sure it is a combination of several things.  We are a healthy population relatively speaking, there is a built in social distancing, the medical system is top notch generally, hygiene is very high, etc.  All of that is no doubt a very very big factor.  Also, people tend to live in small households in terms of numbers of people.  There are many people living alone.

Still, the greater Stockholm area has about 2M people in it so it is a legit urban area and the streets, subways, buses, and restaurants/bars are back full.  Gothenburg and Malmo would also qualify.  I don't take the buses but people in Stockholm have told me they've been squeezed in since the main vacation period ended about a month ago.  We are still talking about humans who make all sort of mistakes and I don't see a lot of distancing much anymore. There is a bit in the lines to a cashier but not much more.  I'd say less than 5% of people are wearing masks if that.

I was in a hospital emergency ward for a couple of days back in the 1st half of July (gall stones) and the staff there told me that they didn't have anyone in the COVID ward anymore.  That was almost two months back in a hospital in downtown Stockholm.  No doubt a 2nd wave could be just around the corner but things are very quiet at the moment.

I have to say, I'm with you on this.  I think the American's have had an adolescent level freak out on this Covid thing.  Sweden's approach was much more logical, acknowledging that this is a pandemic and it will result in infections and death.  Controlling the fallout is the best you can hope for.  Locking down only delays the problem and creates others as we have seen first hand. 

8 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Stockholm sounds like a tinderbox

So it would seem, we are about to find out. 

My niece starting high school this year, made the cheerleading squad and now has tested positive for covid-19.  The rest of the family was tested yesterday. They are under quarantine for 2 weeks. No one has any symptoms, hopefully it stays that way. 

1 hour ago, DiPros said:

My niece starting high school this year, made the cheerleading squad and now has tested positive for covid-19.  The rest of the family was tested yesterday. They are under quarantine for 2 weeks. No one has any symptoms, hopefully it stays that way. 

Good luck with that for everyone in your family. 

In North Carolina we’re now at Level 2.5, which in my understanding is somewhere between level 2 and level 3

😉

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

In North Carolina we’re now at Level 2.5, which in my understanding is somewhere between level 2 and level 3

😉

Having math troubles again I see

Went to party last night for a 90 year old with probable 40 - 50 people. Plenty of older people I'd put myself in the mean age group considering the college age kids that were there as well. At first a handful of people were wearing mask. Within an hour maybe two people. By the time the old people showed up (without mask) no one was wearing one.

On a side note tequila ain't bad. Interesting after taste as opposed to vodka. As I understand there is garbage tequila but was giving a few suggestions of what to look for on the shelf. 👍

  

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Having math troubles again I see

Unfortunately Zuker still can’t buy me a drink

 

19 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Unfortunately Zuker still can’t buy me a drink

Who's buying one for who on Nov 4th?

9 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Who's buying one for who on Nov 4th?

We’ll see...

 

1 hour ago, Dave Moss said:

 

that's some solid trolling.

6 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

that's some solid trolling.

Meh.  F all these rich f politicians trying to act like regular joes.  Like they are in the struggle that many are facing with the shut down. 
 

does he want some kind of credit for having his hair cut at home? Outside his mansion? 
 
give it a rest Romney. Nobody cares about your hair cut    

give me a break. 
 

besides, one minute these low lives are bashing each other and the next supporting each other depending on what will benefit them financially

On 9/7/2020 at 7:36 AM, DiPros said:

My niece starting high school this year, made the cheerleading squad and now has tested positive for covid-19.  The rest of the family was tested yesterday. They are under quarantine for 2 weeks. No one has any symptoms, hopefully it stays that way. 

Sounds like she's going to my alma mater. 

On 8/18/2020 at 12:59 PM, mr_hunt said:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-coronavirus-cases-south-dakota

Sturgis Motorcycle Rally linked to 20% of US coronavirus cases in August: researchers

More than 460,000 people attended the 10-day rally

19 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-coronavirus-cases-south-dakota

 

From the article:

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"We conclude that the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally generated public health costs of approximately $12.2 billion," the researchers wrote in a paper. "This is enough to have paid each of the estimated 462,182 rally attendees $26,553.64 not to attend."

Maybe that's a new tactic. Pay people a "Stay your goober arse at home" stipend.   Well, technically I guess that's what the stimulus was for. 

12 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

 

From the article:

Maybe that's a new tactic. Pay people a "Stay your goober arse at home" stipend.   Well, technically I guess that's what the stimulus was for. 

Entitled dip sheets

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Entitled dip sheets

one step closer to herd immunity

6 hours ago, The Norseman said:

one step closer to herd immunity

We'd need 70 to 90% of the American people to get it to reach herd immunity.  That's not gonna happen.  We need a vaccine to get out of this.

There's no upside to entitled idiots putting everyone at risk and killing Americans.   These people suck.

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

We'd need 70 to 90% of the American people to get it to reach herd immunity.  That's not gonna happen.  We need a vaccine to get out of this.

There's no upside to entitled idiots putting the everyone at risk and killing Americans.   These people suck.

dirty, fat pig bikers are used to spreading diseases. this will just be another one to add to the list. 

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

We'd need 70 to 90% of the American people to get it to reach herd immunity.  That's not gonna happen.  We need a vaccine to get out of this.

There's no upside to entitled idiots putting the everyone at risk and killing Americans.   These people suck.

They sure do.  Lots of irresponsibility going on out there.  Large protests, motorcycle rallies, riots etc.  We are our own worst enemy. 

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

dirty, fat pig bikers are used to spreading diseases. this will just be another one to add to the list. 

Thankfully this one doesn't make it hurt when you pee