December 31, 20204 yr Just now, Kz! said: I'm just going by your twisted logic that says because I believe in basic sanitation requirements for restaurants, I also have to agree with the government shutting them down because of a virus. How are basic prevention requirements (which you seem To be against) any different than sanitation requirements (which you are clearly for)? And that’s not my logic. My logic is when you claim that government is shuttering business for any reason they see fit, that’s pure 100% BS. Again, you may disagree with what they’re doing and maybe you have a better way to prevent the spread of this virus, but to say they are doing it for "any reason they see fit” is absolutely nonsense.
December 31, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, NYEagle said: PS....I can only think of a couple things....thank god I am in pretty good shape for 52.....I work out almost every day. I am hopeful and thankful if so that I have no underlying physical issues. Thank god for Gatoraid because I am pounding that crap like it's air. Water just doesn't seem to do anything and I know how important it is to stay hydrated. Do you have someone to check up on you? Don't be too proud to go to the hospital if your symptoms get worse or you feel like you can't catch your breath. There's no shame in getting help when you need it.
December 31, 20204 yr Just now, Phillyterp85 said: How are basic prevention requirements (which you seem To be against) any different than sanitation requirements (which you are clearly for)? lol seriously?
December 31, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: Yeah, local government should be able to run roughshod over their citizens if they feel like it and no one should step in, otherwise they're hypocrites. Did you even read the order ?? Shutting down from 10 PM to 6 AM is not a big deal. How may restaurants are open for sit down meals during that time anyway ?? You just want to complain for complaining's sake.
December 31, 20204 yr Just now, Kz! said: lol seriously? Yes. That’s a serious question. Please go ahead and answer it.
December 31, 20204 yr Just now, downundermike said: Did you even read the order ?? Shutting down from 10 PM to 6 AM is not a big deal. How may restaurants are open for sit down meals during that time anyway ?? You just want to complain for complaining's sake. How was I complaining? I was literally praising someone.
December 31, 20204 yr 1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said: Yes. That’s a serious question. Please go ahead and answer it. Well, basic sanitation requirements don't infringe on the business's capacity, operating hours, etc. That would be the most obvious answer to that question.
December 31, 20204 yr 16 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Except once again, they aren’t shuttering businesses for any reason they see fit. In case you’ve been sleeping under a rock, there’s currently a global pandemic happening the likes we haven’t seen in over a century. In case you’ve been sleeping under a rock, hospital systems are now strained to the max due to COVID patients taking up ICU beds. Guess what, a basic safety requirement during this pandemic is if the activity can’t be done while wearing a mask and distancing, then it shouldn’t be done. So how is that any different than basic sanitation requirements? Now, you may disagree with the regulations put on businesses during the pandemic and have better options, but stop with the hyperbolic BS. Each year about 100k Americans are hospitalized and 3k people die from foodborne illnesses. If you ask him to compare it with COVID, he'll claim the numbers are faked by liberals entrenched in all levels of government. You're responding to someone with a mental illness.
December 31, 20204 yr Kz: "COVID has a mortality rate of 0.1%. It’s ridiculous that the government putting regulations on businesses in an effort to stop the spread of COVID! People should be allowed to decide for themselves if they want to frequent a business! Also KZ: Food poisoning has a mortality rate of 0.07%. But I am 100% in favor of the government shutting down businesses who don’t follow sanitation requirements! We can’t leave this up to the people to decide for themselves if they want to frequent a businesses that doesn’t follow sanitation requirements!
December 31, 20204 yr 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: Well, basic sanitation requirements don't infringe on the business's capacity, operating hours, etc. That would be the most obvious answer to that question. Sanitation requirements don’t infringe on a businesses capacity or operating hours? Lol really??? You realize it takes time to clean and sanitize cooking areas right? That’s time taken away from being able to serve more customers. You realize it takes more space to be able to store foods properly as opposed to being able to store food however one pleases in order to maximize food storage capacity. You realize it takes up space to provide bathrooms right? Space that could otherwise be used for more tables and cooking areas to increase revenue. You realize it takes more time to cook foods to their proper temperature as opposed to undercooking them, right? That increases the time it takes to turn over a table and impacts revenue. looks like someone’s going to have to rethink their logic.....
December 31, 20204 yr Just now, Phillyterp85 said: Sanitation requirements don’t infringe on a businesses capacity or operating hours? Lol really??? You realize it takes time to clean and sanitize cooking areas right? That’s time taken away from being able to serve more customers. You realize it takes more space to be able to store foods properly as opposed to being able to store food however one pleases in order to maximize food storage capacity. You realize it takes up space to provide bathrooms right? Space that could otherwise be used for more tables and cooking areas to increase revenue. looks like someone’s going to have to rethink their logic..... This argument is insane.
December 31, 20204 yr 14 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Do you have someone to check up on you? Don't be too proud to go to the hospital if your symptoms get worse or you feel like you can't catch your breath. There's no shame in getting help when you need it. I have my 33 year old girlfriend laying next to me in bed....I'm in good hands lol
December 31, 20204 yr 1 minute ago, NYEagle said: I have my 33 year old girlfriend laying next to me in bed....I'm in good hands lol Nice!
December 31, 20204 yr 21 minutes ago, Kz! said: This argument is insane. Please point out anything in my post that was factually incorrect. I do like this fantasy world you live in though where somehow sanitation requirements magically don’t add any cost to a restaurant’s operation nor take away from capacity and also magically all take place when time stands still. Awesome. KZ: Government regulations add costs to business operations Also KZ: Except for sanitation and food safety requirements, those apparently are free somehow...
December 31, 20204 yr 9 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Please point out anything in my post that was factually incorrect. I do like this fantasy world you live in though where somehow sanitation requirements magically don’t add any cost to a restaurant’s operation nor take away from capacity and also magically all take place when time stands still. Awesome. KZ: Government regulations add costs to business operations Also KZ: Except for sanitation and food safety requirements, those apparently are free somehow... this is who you're trying to talk to.
December 31, 20204 yr 2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Please point out anything in my post that was factually incorrect. you got it, man. Im'a tap. It was terribly inconsistent of me to be OK with the government requiring basic food sanitation in restaurants, but not also support stringent lockdowns because of a virus. I'm now adamantly against food sanitation in restaurants, too. Thanks for helping me see the light. That said, what were we arguing about again? 10 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Please point out anything in my post that was factually incorrect. I do like this fantasy world you live in though where somehow sanitation requirements magically don’t add any cost to a restaurant’s operation nor take away from capacity and also magically all take place when time stands still. Awesome. KZ: Government regulations add costs to business operations Also KZ: Except for sanitation and food safety requirements, those apparently are free somehow... holy ish you added more.
December 31, 20204 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: you got it, man. Im'a tap. It was terribly inconsistent of me to be OK with the government requiring basic food sanitation in restaurants, but not also support stringent lockdowns because of a virus. I'm now adamantly against food sanitation in restaurants, too. Thanks for helping me see the light. That said, what were we arguing about again? holy ish you added more. We don't know why you hate freedom and America.
December 31, 20204 yr 5 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: COVID-19 is actually mutating relatively slowly, not quickly. Are you referring to the nurse who got COVID a week after getting her first dose of vaccine? That’s not really a "story”. It takes about 2 weeks after the vaccine dose for it to start to be effective, and it’s not 95% effective until 2 weeks after your second dose. It takes 5-6 days after inoculation of COVID-19 for symptoms to show up. So basically, she likely contracted the virus 1-2 days after her vaccine dose, at which point there’d be little to no positive effect from the vaccine because it was too soon. 45 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Couple things on this, first, it's a two dose vaccine taken 3-4 weeks apart, so I'd bet a good portion of these cases you're referring to have only received their first dose. Second, even after the second dose, it takes an additional week or two before your body builds up antibodies to the needed levels to provide the expected level of protection. Now your concerns on manufacturing shortages, distribution challenges, and rollout mistakes are certainly not unfounded and I share them as well. Definitely could've done a better job there. You both are probably right about the timing of the vaccine and not getting the second dose in regards to the people who took the vaccine and then tested positive, similar to how people get the flu after getting the flu shot I guess.
December 31, 20204 yr Desperate restaurant owner in Cali: "Did you get a paycheck? My people don't. I bet you got a paycheck, didn't you? You're just doing your job, right? We're all in this together."
December 31, 20204 yr 20 minutes ago, Kz! said: you got it, man. Im'a tap. It was terribly inconsistent of me to be OK with the government requiring basic food sanitation in restaurants, but not also support stringent lockdowns because of a virus. I'm now adamantly against food sanitation in restaurants, too. Thanks for helping me see the light. That said, what were we arguing about again? holy ish you added more. Food poisoning has a mortality rate of 0.007%. So by your own logic, it’s crazy that we allow governments to "run roughshod” on restaurants and FORCE them to limit capacity in order to provide bathrooms and washing stations, to lose revenue to make for proper cleaning time and food prep and cooking time. All for an illness with a 99.993% survival rate!!!! People should be free to decide if they want to frequent a restaurant or not! Like I said, maybe you should rethink your logic....
December 31, 20204 yr 24 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Food poisoning has a mortality rate of 0.007%. So by your own logic, it’s crazy that we allow governments to "run roughshod” on restaurants and FORCE them to limit capacity in order to provide bathrooms and washing stations, to lose revenue to make for proper cleaning time and food prep and cooking time. All for an illness with a 99.993% survival rate!!!! People should be free to decide if they want to frequent a restaurant or not! Like I said, maybe you should rethink your logic.... I know, you got me! If I want basic food sanitation, I also have to be OK with government's completely shutting businesses when a virus is present! That's why I am no longer pro food sanitation! If I support any health protocols implemented by the government, I have to support ALL health protocols implemented by the government! Otherwise, much hypocrisy. This is the content I'm here for.
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