January 20, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I have no idea if Amazon offered help to Trump, or if this is just a way to try and claim the workers are essential. But guess what? Consequences have actions. You spend 4 years attacking Bezos relentlessly, you don't get offered help by his company. Want to see who is to blame? Look at ex-President Numbnuts. Damn, he attacked Bezos that much? Man, Bezos letting a personal grudge get in the way of saving innocent lives now kind of looks like a total boss move to me.
January 20, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Really has been entertaining to watch free-market conservatives screech about the actions of private companies over these last few weeks. Yes, if you are a free-market conservative, you aren't allowed to criticize the actions of private companies without being a total hypocrite. The logic in here is just *chef's kiss* it's perfect.
January 20, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Kz! said: Yes, if you are a free-market conservative, you aren't allowed to criticize the actions of private companies without being a total hypocrite. The logic in here is just *chef's kiss* it's perfect. Glad to see you're taking inauguration well. Thoughts and prayers.
January 20, 20214 yr 19 minutes ago, Green Dog said: Wait, so it's not because Amazon waited for a President they liked??? Man, Tough to Swallow... Oh ok - so they want to jump line instead so they can keep making trillions of dollars - still costing other Americans' lives in the process. Now that you point that out, it's MUCH BETTER!
January 20, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: Oh ok - so they want to jump line instead so they can keep making trillions of dollars - still costing other Americans' lives in the process. Now that you point that out, it's MUCH BETTER! Hmm. No, they'd be making trillions of dollars regardless. It's so they can deliver vaccines. That'd be saving lives.
January 20, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Green Dog said: Hmm. No, they'd be making trillions of dollars regardless. It's so they can deliver vaccines. That'd be saving lives.
January 21, 20214 yr 6 hours ago, Talkingbirds said: Or he understands the CDC roll out may delay his employees from getting the vaccines and wants to remind him HOW essential they are. Everyone is fighting to get in line. I think it's this. Just the other day, the NBA said they would be willing to step ahead in line and get the vaccine "as a public service announcement", even though they said they would not jump in line. No one wants to wait.
January 21, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, xzmattzx said: I think it's this. Just the other day, the NBA said they would be willing to step ahead in line and get the vaccine "as a public service announcement", even though they said they would not jump in line. No one wants to wait. Yea. That was a humorous one. Public service announcement. Lol.
January 21, 20214 yr On 1/19/2021 at 7:37 PM, EagleVA said: I'm tired of seeing them dance because they don't have a damn thing to do due to the hospitals are empty. I was thinking the same thing today at work. Walked by hundreds of empty hospital rooms and just laughed thinking about how we have managed to pull off this scam for a whole year now. On 1/19/2021 at 7:37 PM, EagleVA said:
January 21, 20214 yr My 67 and 68 year old parents just told me they don’t want to get the vaccine because it hasn’t been tested enough and because of the "concerning side effects.” How do I get thru to them? I want to hold the "you won’t get to visit your grandchildren until you get it” card until later.
January 21, 20214 yr 38 minutes ago, Jsvand12 said: I was thinking the same thing today at work. Walked by hundreds of empty hospital rooms and just laughed thinking about how we have managed to pull off this scam for a whole year now. Imagine trying to push for a player to draft at #6 that sat out their entire 2020 season because of a virus that is supposedly fake. 🙄
January 21, 20214 yr 27 minutes ago, Smokesdawg said: My 67 and 68 year old parents just told me they don’t want to get the vaccine because it hasn’t been tested enough and because of the "concerning side effects.” How do I get thru to them? I want to hold the "you won’t get to visit your grandchildren until you get it” card until later. Easy. If they're Republicans or Trump people, ask them if they're getting the Trump vaccine. If they are Democrats or anti-Trump people, ask them if they are glad to see science winning again.
January 21, 20214 yr 34 minutes ago, Smokesdawg said: My 67 and 68 year old parents just told me they don’t want to get the vaccine because it hasn’t been tested enough and because of the "concerning side effects.” How do I get thru to them? I want to hold the "you won’t get to visit your grandchildren until you get it” card until later. What worked for my high risk mom was telling her how stupid she’d feel if she turned down the vaccine and then got covid. She is very likely to not survive if she gets it. 65, COPD and still smoking of course. She still hasn’t been able to get an appointment unfortunately but she will be getting it as soon as she can.
January 21, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Jsvand12 said: What worked for my high risk mom was telling her how stupid she’d feel if she turned down the vaccine and then got covid. She is very likely to not survive if she gets it. 65, COPD and still smoking of course. She still hasn’t been able to get an appointment unfortunately but she will be getting it as soon as she can. My mom basically stopped breathing because of her smoking and was basically dead. She at least stopped smoking but she will die from a common cold at this point. My dad being a trump fan is telling her to not get the vaccine
January 21, 20214 yr 35 minutes ago, Smokesdawg said: My 67 and 68 year old parents just told me they don’t want to get the vaccine because it hasn’t been tested enough and because of the "concerning side effects.” How do I get thru to them? I want to hold the "you won’t get to visit your grandchildren until you get it” card until later. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 Here's a good study on the safety and efficacy of the mRNA vaccines if they're people that respond to data. https://www.google.com/amp/s/ideas.ted.com/the-top-7-covid-19-vaccine-questions-answered/amp/ Emily Oster is also a good resource for synthesizing somewhat complex medical data into relatively streamlined answers. In general shaming doesn't help (despite my ongoing efforts with KZ). Be firm but also be understanding and responsive. It's a tough decision even though it really shouldn't be. I agree save the grandchildren card for as long as you can. We've unfortunately had to pull that card on one relative already and it sucked.
January 21, 20214 yr Just now, Bwestbrook36 said: My mom basically stopped breathing because of her smoking and was basically dead. She at least stopped smoking but she will die from a common cold at this point. My dad being a trump fan is telling her to not get the vaccine Good luck. Only so much you can do I guess. My dad is 69 and said " I don’t want to take it and keep someone else from being able to get it”. I talked him into it by telling him you are who is supposed to be getting it. He quit smoking many years ago but he’s still been breathing in all the second hand smoke forever.
January 21, 20214 yr Just now, Jsvand12 said: Good luck. Only so much you can do I guess. My dad is 69 and said " I don’t want to take it and keep someone else from being able to get it”. I talked him into it by telling him you are who is supposed to be getting it. He quit smoking many years ago but he’s still been breathing in all the second hand smoke forever. I'm glad she isn't smoking but kind of feel like she was robbed of going how I would think everyone would want to go and that is peacefully in their sleep. Now she is on disability and chained to an oxygen tube.
January 21, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 Here's a good study on the safety and efficacy of the mRNA vaccines if they're people that respond to data. https://www.google.com/amp/s/ideas.ted.com/the-top-7-covid-19-vaccine-questions-answered/amp/ You must have missed the part where he said he dad is a trump fan.
January 21, 20214 yr 40 minutes ago, Jsvand12 said: You must have missed the part where he said he dad is a trump fan. No. I didn’t say that... but IMO I might as well have said it.
January 21, 20214 yr 6 hours ago, DEagle7 said: Here's a good study on the safety and efficacy of the mRNA vaccines if they're people that respond to data. How is this so when the mRNA vaccines has never been implemented before, for crying out loud people, THINK!
January 21, 20214 yr Previously I promised to address the subject of Sweden's approach to mask mandates once Trump either left office or fully conceded. We've finally reached that point so here goes. Let me start by stating my opinion so we don't confuse that with the explanation of the approach itself. Generally, I support the flexible strategy that Sweden adopted when it comes to the use of all tools to combat spreading and that includes masks. That strategy was based on long term thinking and the need to have a sustainable approach given the very real possibility that it would take a couple of years to get a vaccine. What I do NOT fully support is the Swedish execution of that strategy which has been flawed. The biggest mistake made was the lack of strong measures taken to protect those in nursing/retirement homes. Another crucial mistake was the lack of consideration given to how things would develop in our immigrant communities in the larger metropolitan areas. We have nearly 20% immigrants in the Swedish population and the cocktail of significantly higher concentration of people living together, a much higher degree of people working in prioritized jobs where they couldn't stay at home, plus differences in cultural norms such as personal spacing etc. led to a far different level of success in the immigrant neighborhoods of measures actually taken centrally vs those living in traditional Swedish neighborhoods/towns. So while I support the general strategy I've been less than happy with the execution and decisions made within that strategy. Now on to masks and Swedish approach. The fundamental approach to combating the spread of COVID in Sweden has been to adopt a flexible strategy of dynamic measures that could be sustained over a period of a couple of years. Most of the measures have been voluntary and that is due to the deep seated cultural norms in Sweden of the govt staying out of the way and allowing the flock mentality (peer pressure on steroids) to do the job. Some measures, e.g. high school / university via virtual interaction, limits in restaurants for distancing, limits on timing of alcohol sales, etc. have been mandatory and enforced via fines and closures. However, generally the measures have been strong recommendations and voluntary in nature. Things like "work from home", "social distancing", "not having groups together privately", "avoid travel beyond a one hour radius", "do not take public transportation unless absolutely necessary", "wash your hands repeatedly", etc. etc. have been left to individual responsibility (that seems to be where most States ended up once we got to the summer). Those worked really well in the March-June time frame, dropped off in Sep-Nov, and have picked back up again as the 2nd wave developed. In addition to the general measures there have also been local and specific measures. For example, some elementary/middle schools and daycare facilities have been closed on the local level as outbreaks have occurred. Mask mandates have fallen into this category. Naturally, all medical facilities have required mask wearing along with other similar situations. Mask wearing has also been a strong recommendation starting some weeks back during rush hour on public transportation. This has been followed in part if I rely on what I've seen or heard. Regarding masks specifically, they have been regarded as one tool among others to be used in a cocktail of measures. The effectiveness and sustainability of mask wearing has been judged on its overall practical effect on spreading within the context of all other measures and not solely on its theoretical effect in perfect conditions. In other words, masks have one effect on spreading in a nicely controlled lab experiment with stable air qualities, stable ventilation, non faulty masks (material, construction, etc.), proper mask usage, etc. AND quite another effect in the real world where people don't wear the masks properly, take them off, don't observe other measures such as distancing, use faulty masks or used masks, etc. Rightly or wrongly the judgement made by Swedish authorities was that in Sweden mask mandates would not have the overall desired effect over a long period of time across a wide segment of society/life to make mandates a selected mandatory measure. In summary, mask mandates have been viewed within an overall context in Sweden. The fact that masks can be a very useful tool to combat spreading isn't debated from a scientific view and in fact mask mandates are in play for some situations. Rather, the actual practical effect on general spreading over time within the overall context of general Swedish society and in the presence of lots of other measure has been the decision criteria. Note: I'm happy to discuss the details in anything I've written above including opinions, etc. What I won't do though is engage in a dialog with anyone that simply wants to go the route of "they/you are ignorant, insane, stupid" etc. If you feel you have to respond in that manner then of course by all means go ahead but I won't engage with you if that is going to be your approach. @mr_hunt you are excused and may respond in any manner of course. @Dave Moss I'll save you the trouble and put this here proactively. I wear a mask in semi-crowded stores or if I'm on the subway. Otherwise, I normally do not wear one just because I've left the house.
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