August 11, 20214 yr 43 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yeah, death from covid is still quite rare for young kids, even as a percentage of those who are hospitalized. But let's be honest about this, if your kid ends up in a hospital bed because of your blatant ignorance or insane political ideology, then you really F'ed up as a parent, and need to reevaluate what went wrong in your life to bring you to this point. The minute you walk through those hospital doors with a sick kid from covid, you already lost. It's much worse than that. This is a novel virus. We have no clue what the long term impact on a child from getting COVID might be. None. Hopefully it's nothing, but we've already seen people having the effects of Long COVID. Knowingly exposing your children to a disease with so many unknown impacts is downright insane. Same with people who say they won't take the vaccine because they want to see the long-term impact...we don't know the long-term impact of COVID you dolts.
August 11, 20214 yr Latest estimates peg delta to an R0 of around 7, even higher than the initial estimate of 5 a month ago. This puts herd immunity further out of reach, maybe a year or two away now. It's so much more contagious, I can't wrap my head around it. Basically like an entirely different virus. I just ordered a bunch of kids sized kn95 masks from korea. Also, @EaglesRocker97 This is what I was saying last time on likelihood of VOC emergence in vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations. Note: delta emerged from the purple dot in the upper left.
August 11, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: It's much worse than that. This is a novel virus. We have no clue what the long term impact on a child from getting COVID might be. None. Hopefully it's nothing, but we've already seen people having the effects of Long COVID. Knowingly exposing your children to a disease with so many unknown impacts is downright insane. Same with people who say they won't take the vaccine because they want to see the long-term impact...we don't know the long-term impact of COVID you dolts. ^ This. 100% this. I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face, but whenever someone says we have to treat this like kids getting a bad cold or the flu, I have to point out that the amount we know from a pathological perspective between cold/flu vs covid is massive. Not even in the same universe. And yet there are schools in the south now abandoning reporting protocols for positive cases. Meaning parents in some states will get notified if a child's classmate has lice, but not covid. This ish is F'ing mind-numbing. WTF is going on right now.
August 11, 20214 yr 54 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yeah, death from covid is still quite rare for young kids, even as a percentage of those who are hospitalized. But let's be honest about this, if your kid ends up in a hospital bed because of your blatant ignorance or insane political ideology, then you really F'ed up as a parent, and need to reevaluate what went wrong in your life to bring you to this point. The minute you walk through those hospital doors with a sick kid from covid, you already lost. If my kid ends up in a hospital because of someone elses ignorance or insane political ideology....
August 11, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, paco said: If my kid ends up in a hospital because of someone elses ignorance or insane political ideology.... Scary, isn't it?
August 11, 20214 yr 20 minutes ago, vikas83 said: It's much worse than that. This is a novel virus. We have no clue what the long term impact on a child from getting COVID might be. None. Hopefully it's nothing, but we've already seen people having the effects of Long COVID. Knowingly exposing your children to a disease with so many unknown impacts is downright insane. Same with people who say they won't take the vaccine because they want to see the long-term impact...we don't know the long-term impact of COVID you dolts. There is no way to keep them from being exposed. It is all about levels of risk.
August 11, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, paco said: If my kid ends up in a hospital because of someone elses ignorance or insane political ideology.... That's why the last 16 months have changed my outlook so much. Before if someone believed in a different God than me, or if they thought being gay is a sin, or capital punishment is wrong, or that essential oils ward off cancer, or whatever, we could discuss it, debate the merits of each point of view, and at the end of the day the outcome wouldn't really matter. Their beliefs didn't impact my life and I was content with that. But now all that is out the window. When someone says wearing masks are communism, or covid numbers are faked, or the untested experimental vaccines arent needed and are just a plot by big pharma to make money, well now their tribalistic mental illness is a direct threat to the health and safety of me and my immediate family. And by extension, the rest of my family, friends, neighbors and basically anyone else I encounter. I don't really care about any of the other stuff now. It's all just noise. All I care about is getting out of this shitstorm unscathed, and all these idiots are determined that make that an uphill battle.
August 11, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Scary, isn't it? Nah, I'm pretty sure I can take a life.
August 11, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: There is no way to keep them from being exposed. It is all about levels of risk. Looks like you missed the word "knowingly" in his post.
August 11, 20214 yr You know why the military is mandating it? Risk reward. The benefits outweigh the risks. However, the US will suffer until people remove their heads from their asses.
August 11, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: That's why the last 16 months have changed my outlook so much. Before if someone believed in a different God than me, or if they thought being gay is a sin, or capital punishment is wrong, or that essential oils ward off cancer, or whatever, we could discuss it, debate the merits of each point of view, and at the end of the day the outcome wouldn't really matter. Their beliefs didn't impact my life and I was content with that. But now all that is out the window. When someone says wearing masks are communism, or covid numbers are faked, or the untested experimental vaccines arent needed and are just a plot by big pharma to make money, well now their tribalistic mental illness is a direct threat to the health and safety of me and my immediate family. And by extension, the rest of my family, friends, neighbors and basically anyone else I encounter. I don't really care about any of the other stuff now. It's all just noise. All I care about is getting out of this shitstorm unscathed, and all these idiots are determined that make that an uphill battle. I guess there are consequences for having such a stupid population. It has reached dangerous levels.
August 11, 20214 yr 21 minutes ago, vikas83 said: new? Yes, they are trying desperately to wrench the title away from Mississippi.
August 11, 20214 yr For those who don't know. New Covid Cases and New Covid Deaths. Vaccinated: 0.8% Unvaccinated: 99%. So, who is it that's getting Covid and dying?
August 11, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: For those who don't know. New Covid Cases and New Covid Deaths. Vaccinated: 0.8% Unvaccinated: 99%. So, who is it that's getting Covid and dying? Where is this? New Covid cases in most places are a mix. The vaccines seem to be somewhat effective at preventing infection from Delta, but it's definitely not as effective as it was against the original variant. For deaths, yes the statistics are showing that the vaccines are still quite effective at preventing serious illness and death.
August 11, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Where is this? New Covid cases in most places are a mix. The vaccines seem to be somewhat effective at preventing infection from Delta, but it's definitely not as effective as it was against the original variant. For deaths, yes the statistics are showing that the vaccines are still quite effective at preventing serious illness and death. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210513/over-_99-percent-hospitalized-2021-covid-patients-unvaccinated https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-06-25/99-of-new-us-covid-hospitalizations-deaths-occurring-among-the-unvaccinated Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187
August 11, 20214 yr Right. Deaths are mostly unvaccinated. Hospitalizations are uncommon ming vaccinated but they're happening at higher rates than from the May article you posted. (Facts change.) Cases are happening among both vaccinated and unvaccinated. The numbers suggest vaccines are still somewhat effective at preventing cases, but they're not nearly as effective as they were pre-Delta.
August 11, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Right. Deaths are mostly unvaccinated. Hospitalizations are uncommon ming vaccinated but they're happening at higher rates than from the May article you posted. (Facts change.) Cases are happening among both vaccinated and unvaccinated. The numbers suggest vaccines are still somewhat effective at preventing cases, but they're not nearly as effective as they were pre-Delta. Yeah, I feel like we'll never truly know since it seems most cases aren't even being counted anymore.
August 11, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: Latest estimates peg delta to an R0 of around 7, even higher than the initial estimate of 5 a month ago. This puts herd immunity further out of reach, maybe a year or two away now. It's so much more contagious, I can't wrap my head around it. Basically like an entirely different virus. I just ordered a bunch of kids sized kn95 masks from korea. Also, @EaglesRocker97 This is what I was saying last time on likelihood of VOC emergence in vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations. Note: delta emerged from the purple dot in the upper left. No doubt that mutations in general are much more readily generated in unvaccinated populations. My point was that having basically 50/50 vaxxed/unvaxxed seems like a situation where you'll have a lot of mutations and a lot of opportunity for selection of those mutations against vaccinated populations, leading ultimately to the production of future variants that can more effectively evade the vaccine. I'm talking about evolutionary opportunity. It's true, though, that the ones getting infected and producing the mutations are the unvaxxed, so they are still the ones who are by far the most at risk.
August 11, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: new? Beat me to it. It popped in my head immediately, followed by, "I'm sure Vikas has got this..." But based solely on shape and geographic location (and accumulated garbage), I've always liked saying that NJ is the armpit, FL is the dick.
August 11, 20214 yr 22 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Right. Deaths are mostly unvaccinated. Hospitalizations are uncommon ming vaccinated but they're happening at higher rates than from the May article you posted. (Facts change.) Cases are happening among both vaccinated and unvaccinated. The numbers suggest vaccines are still somewhat effective at preventing cases, but they're not nearly as effective as they were pre-Delta. The numbers are holding. If you are vaccinated you are protected to a decent degree from getting COVID and if you do get it the chances are very very slim that you need hospitalization and near zero risk of dying. Of course preexisting risk conditions can change the situation for any given individual. Bottom line: get vaccinated and if you are vaccinated you are in great shape (unless you have an underlying risk).
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