There are some dense idiots in here. She never said she was giving up a friend, she just doesn't want to have contact right now. 

I love how some decisions a person makes concerning their own health are fine, like not getting vaxxed, but choosing to stay away from unvaxxed for health reasons makes you a "horrible person". Pick a lane.

 

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Nasdaq, s&p, dow jones, just look at any chart they all show the same thing: Trump drastically changed the direction of the stock market.

Why don't you tell me all these stocks you have that performed as you said?  Id love to see them

I've done this before and nobody gave me any answer. 

Each of these is from one of these three-year periods:

1. July 20 2009 - July 20 2012 - I skipped Obama's first six months because the market was incredibly low at the start and growth from the very bottom was more robust than is typical throughout his period. Seems fair.

2. January 20 2014 - January 20 2017 - The three full years just preceding Trump.

3. January 20 2017 - January 20 2020 - Trump's first 3 years, pre-pandemic. 

Which one is Trump? Which one shows obvious outperformance?

 

 

A. Up 27% over 3 years.

 

 

B. Up 43% over 3 years.

 

C. Up 39% over 3 years.

 

 

FWIW, the S&P approximately tripled from Jan 2009 through January 2017. Obviously this benefits from the market being near bottom when Obama took office, but it's still ridiculous to state something like "the market was flat under Obama".

The S&P literally tripled. 

If you didn't make money in the market from 2009 - 2017 it's because you're a partisan fool who believed that because Obama was president the market would tank, so you stuffed your mattress with cash. 

2 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

 

There are some dense idiots in here. She never said she was giving up a friend, she just doesn't want to have contact right now. 

I love how some decisions a person makes concerning their own health are fine, like not getting vaxxed, but choosing to stay away from unvaxxed for health reasons makes you a "horrible person". Pick a lane.

This guy gets it.

5 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

 

There are some dense idiots in here. She never said she was giving up a friend, she just doesn't want to have contact right now. 

I love how some decisions a person makes concerning their own health are fine, like not getting vaxxed, but choosing to stay away from unvaxxed for health reasons makes you a "horrible person". Pick a lane.

Because it's based on an irrational fear, thats the point here

Telling a friend youll no longer hang out with them is, essentially, losing that friend 

But its her choice. I agree with you there

6 minutes ago, DiPros said:

It doesn't.  She is a life long friend.  I'm a sissy and don't want to get into an uncomfortable discussion about it.  I never said I was giving her up as a friend did I?  

You did not. I'm sorry Di.  You do have more to consider than most of us, and your decisions are not mine to judge.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Because it's based on an irrational fear, thats the point here

Telling a friend youll no longer hang out with them is, essentially, losing that friend 

But its her choice. I agree with you there

But it's not in a person with health concerns. Not getting vaxxed is based in irrational fear but you are fine with that. Pick a lane.

 

Also she didn't tell a friend she would no longer hang out with them. Read more carefully.

8 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

Very true. I'd be interested to hear from the people who have taken these "experimental" vaccines to get their point of view. 

We don't even have a years worth of experience with the current vaccine, and they are not even FDA approved, only emergency authorized.  Even the manufacturers are still learning about their long-term effects and efficacy.  By any definition, they are absolutely still experimental, sheep.

Just now, The_Omega said:

We don't even have a years worth of experience with the current vaccine, and they are not even FDA approved, only emergency authorized.  Even the manufacturers are still learning about their long-term effects and efficacy.  By any definition, they are absolutely still experimental, sheep.

Wait, you're talking about the one that has 4.5 billion doses administered?

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

The CFR was reduced by 0.5%. That's it. Reagan reduced it 5%. Clinton reduced it 4.4%.

 

Link?

1 minute ago, BirdsFanBill said:

Wait, you're talking about the one that has 4.5 billion doses administered?

 

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

Link?

 

At what point in your scientific opinion does a vaccine cross from "Experimental" to good to go for general use?

Just catching up on this thread...

@Mike31mt is pretty much a human pile of feces, no surprises there. Did I miss anything else?

1 minute ago, mayanh8 said:

Just catching up on this thread...

@Mike31mt is pretty much a human pile of feces, no surprises there. Did I miss anything else?

Cry

14 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

I've done this before and nobody gave me any answer. 

Each of these is from one of these three-year periods:

1. July 20 2009 - July 20 2012 - I skipped Obama's first six months because the market was incredibly low at the start and growth from the very bottom was more robust than is typical throughout his period. Seems fair.

2. January 20 2014 - January 20 2017 - The three full years just preceding Trump.

3. January 20 2017 - January 20 2020 - Trump's first 3 years, pre-pandemic. 

Which one is Trump? Which one shows obvious outperformance?

 

 

A. Up 27% over 3 years.

 

 

B. Up 43% over 3 years.

 

C. Up 39% over 3 years.

 

 

FWIW, the S&P approximately tripled from Jan 2009 through January 2017. Obviously this benefits from the market being near bottom when Obama took office, but it's still ridiculous to state something like "the market was flat under Obama".

The S&P literally tripled. 

If you didn't make money in the market from 2009 - 2017 it's because you're a partisan fool who believed that because Obama was president the market would tank, so you stuffed your mattress with cash. 

I said Obama basically did nothing and allowed the economy to recover to the same trajectory it had been on for like 100 years.

If, like most people, your 401k or ira or whatever, tracks the major indeces, you unquestionably made more money during his term than either Obama and almost certainly Biden

19 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

We don't even have a years worth of experience with the current vaccine, and they are not even FDA approved, only emergency authorized.  Even the manufacturers are still learning about their long-term effects and efficacy.  By any definition, they are absolutely still experimental, sheep.

No they're not. 

16 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Just catching up on this thread...

@Mike31mt is pretty much a human pile of feces, no surprises there. Did I miss anything else?

That about covers it. 

13 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I said Obama basically did nothing and allowed the economy to recover to the same trajectory it had been on for like 100 years.

If, like most people, your 401k or ira or whatever, tracks the major indeces, you unquestionably made more money during his term than either Obama and almost certainly Biden

Symbols, what are the symbols.

20 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Link?

https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/files/11017-coglianesesarinshapirotrumpderegulationreport11012

pgs 4 + 5

 

 

The whole thing is quite a read, but this seemed to be the most distilled and tangible take. 

Matt Walsh's speech killed it. Damn, that left a mark.

 

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

That about covers it. 

Symbols, what are the symbols.

One of my accounts is vanguard vtivx

Good luck 

15 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I said Obama basically did nothing and allowed the economy to recover to the same trajectory it had been on for like 100 years.

If, like most people, your 401k or ira or whatever, tracks the major indeces, you unquestionably made more money during his term than either Obama and almost certainly Biden

so, you're saying your 401k wasn't flat? or it was? 

regardless of whether you agree with the methods, Obama managed us through a severe financial crisis. I have little doubt that mistakes were made along the way, but unless you can replay history you have no idea how another president might have performed in the same situation.

after seeing how Trump managed through a crisis, I shudder to think what might have happened if Trump had the reigns on Jan 20 2009. @vikas83 you're far better than I to entertain that hypothetical, though you might need some pepto-bismol just to make your way through.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

One of my accounts is vanguard vtivx

Good luck 

that's one of mine as well. it doubled under Obama.

my goal is to double every 7 years, so it underperformed the market given S&P's tripling. but I'd blame that one more on Vanguard than Obama.

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

so, you're saying your 401k wasn't flat? or it was? 

regardless of whether you agree with the methods, Obama managed us through a severe financial crisis. I have little doubt that mistakes were made along the way, but unless you can replay history you have no idea how another president might have performed in the same situation.

after seeing how Trump managed through a crisis, I shudder to think what might have happened if Trump had the reigns on Jan 20 2009. @vikas83 you're far better than I to entertain that hypothetical, though you might need some pepto-bismol just to make your way through.

No my 401k did ok, but I just started it in 2009-2010 or so (I got my first job in 2008)

You say Obama managed us through a crisis.  I say he did very little (which is an OK strategy in and of itself), but what he did do was stupid (like the Stimulus which was a total waste and full of corruption)

If Trump had the reins, the economy would be doing even better because people would have come to the realization--which many are now I think--that there was virtually nothing he could have done to prevent COVID.  Thats literally the only reason the economy went south from its record levels.  

28 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

At what point in your scientific opinion does a vaccine cross from "Experimental" to good to go for general use?

Which ’’one’’ has over 4 billion shots administered?

1 hour ago, DBW said:

I’ve been interacting with friends I know aren’t vaccinated.  I am and I have confidence that it will do it’s job to keep me safe and out of the hospital if I do happen to catch it.  I guess you could wear a mask too and say I’m doing this because I care about you and maybe they’ll start to see the light.  I guess it depends on how much you care to see this friend.  My interactions are more because I’m going to play hockey games and they’re on the team so I could not go and lock myself in my own home but I got vaxxed to not have to do that. 

some of us have children that are not vaccinated, and thus we can't risk it.

Just now, barho said:

some of us have children that are not vaccinated, and thus we can't risk it.

Your children are at virtually no risk at all from COVID

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Your children are at virtually no risk at all from COVID

Says the guy with no kids.  Eventually, perhaps you'll learn a thing or two about parenting.  Until then STFU.