10 hours ago, lynched1 said:

You're the selfish one.

Stage 4 is already dead and you want my beliefs and life altered to suit you.

I know stage 4 sucks. 40 year friend succumbed 2 years ago. Thats life. We're all going to same Fing place in the end.

Enjoy your life as a poor, ignorant cretin. 

4 hours ago, Boogyman said:

Stop with the idiotic clichéd internet act already, you look like a complete idiot.

It's almost as if you believe your opinion is relevant.

How cute.

3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Dude, get F'ed. Seriously, you're a real piece of ish.

Sup fatboy

35 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Enjoy your life as a poor, ignorant cretin. 

Stylish.....

3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Dude, get F'ed. Seriously, you're a real piece of ish.

You can’t reason with Neanderthal’s with no brain or soul.  F that piece of excrement.

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

He also blatantly lies about the reported pediatric deaths from COVID (claims 361, CDC lists 476) and flu (claims 477, CDC lists 199 also the highest flu death toll in several years)

I followed his links which both went to CDC pages.  His number don't look too bad if I've read things correctly.

 

Flu - Couple issues here.  His article looks at '18-'19 which is the season he discusses in his article and your page look at '19-'20.  The other issue is that your page uses "reported deaths" and clearly says "even though the reported number of flu-related deaths in children during the 2019-20 flu season was 199, CDC estimates the actual number of flu-related deaths in children that season was 434".  His page uses the CDC estimate for his year.

COVID - His page shows a "to date" number of 412 while his article from about three weeks back says 361.  I don't have time to try to dig further in here.  In any case, those numbers are 18+ months numbers while the flu numbers are single season.

 

2 hours ago, Procus said:

Jacobson remains good law today, although a simple cite check does reveal that many courts disagree with its ruling.

The distinguishing factor between Jacobson and the Biden plan is that the Biden plan is an executive action.  What may, however, carry the day legally for the Biden plan is the substance of the OSHA statute authorizing issuance of emergency regulations by the executive branch - legislative regs as they were.  If it's upheld, I suspect this will be the grounds for the ruling.  If not, look behind the proposed rule to see whether or not there was an improper purpose on the part of the executive branch.

Yeah if he just used EA to say a business must require vaccines then no I doubt he could do that but OSHA can

8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I followed his links which both went to CDC pages.  His number don't look too bad if I've read things correctly.

 

Flu - Couple issues here.  His article looks at '18-'19 which is the season he discusses in his article and your page look at '19-'20.  The other issue is that your page uses "reported deaths" and clearly says "even though the reported number of flu-related deaths in children during the 2019-20 flu season was 199, CDC estimates the actual number of flu-related deaths in children that season was 434".  His page uses the CDC estimate for the year.

COVID - His page shows a "to date" number of 412 while his article from about three weeks back says 361.  I don't have time to try to dig further in here.  In any case, those numbers are 18+ months numbers while the flu numbers are single season.

I mean if he wants to look at estimated deaths then we're getting into excess death estimates in which case COVID numbers look a lot worse. Either pick confirmed deaths or estimated. Doing estimated for flu and an then underreporting actual numbers for COVID makes no sense if you're trying to be objective 

He just seems to be cherry picking his criteria, when he first his sources, numbers etc to prove his point. 

11 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I mean if he wants to look at estimated deaths then we're getting into excess death estimates in which case COVID numbers look a lot worse. Either pick confirmed deaths or estimated. Doing estimated for flu and an then underreporting actual numbers for COVID makes no sense if you're trying to be objective 

He just seems to be cherry picking his criteria, when he first his sources, numbers etc to prove his point. 

I would think the estimated numbers are a truer reflection of the real numbers for flu just as the CDC themselves explain. It would be interesting to see the COVID estimates. FWIW, the CDC numbers are not "from COVID” and they are 18+ month numbers vs the 12 month numbers. 
 

We can agree the complete detailed picture isn’t clearly and fully represented in his article but I don’t think it is entirely fair to call it a cherry pick and certainly not a blatant lie.

20 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I would think the estimated numbers are a truer reflection of the real numbers for flu just as the CDC themselves explain. It would be interesting to see the COVID estimates. FWIW, the CDC numbers are not "from COVID” and they are 18+ month numbers vs the 12 month numbers. 
 

We can agree the complete detailed picture isn’t clearly and fully represented in his article but I don’t think it is entirely fair to call it a cherry pick and certainly not a blatant lie.

What do you mean they're not "from COVID"? That's the whole point of the chart.

Also we're using 18 months because COVID never went away fully like the flu does in the summer. Not to mention he easily could have looked up 18 month flu deaths if he wanted but didn't, because he knows flu deaths fell off a cliff which emphasizes another point: these deaths are WITH mask mandated, distancing, shut downs and now a highly effective vaccine for the 12+ group. Making the direct comparison even more silly despite his gymnastics with the numbers. 

He is absolutely cherry picking data and sources. 

3 hours ago, Boogyman said:

I am the village idiot and usually talk out of my butthole.

This is true.

2 hours ago, Gannan said:

My favorite part about this is that even Trump supporters completely dismiss the idea that any blacks and Latinos could also be Trump supporters.

What an ignorant post.  Trump is very popular in the Cuban community - unless you don't believe they qualify as Latinos.

1 minute ago, Procus said:

This is true.

Settle down Seabiscuit 

1 hour ago, lynched1 said:

It's almost as if you believe your opinion is relevant.

How cute.

Yet you always seem to care about my opinion. Not get back to your mirror and practice your fake internet tough guy act. You have been slipping as of late and have been looking like a bit of a ****.

34 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

What do you mean they're not "from COVID"? That's the whole point of the chart.

Also we're using 18 months because COVID never went away fully like the flu does in the summer. Not to mention he easily could have looked up 18 month flu deaths if he wanted but didn't, because he knows flu deaths fell off a cliff which emphasizes another point: these deaths are WITH mask mandated, distancing, shut downs and now a highly effective vaccine for the 12+ group. Making the direct comparison even more silly despite his gymnastics with the numbers. 

He is absolutely cherry picking data and sources. 

Let’s see. CDC and their formal numbers.  Cherry picked his data and sources.  The term in the chart for COVID deaths is "involving COVID” in any case. 
 

Good point about the masking impact though you nicely left out everything else. Talk about a cherry pick. 

1 hour ago, Procus said:

1 hour ago, Procus said:

What an ignorant post.  Trump is very popular in the Cuban community - unless you don't believe they qualify as Latinos.

 

What an ignorant post. Unless you believe every Latino is Cuban. 

 

It's almost like it's a goal of your to be stupid. If so congrats, you made it!

3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Risk from vaccinated fatty < risk from unvaccinated healthy person

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/08/06/fully-vaccinated-may-transmit-delta-just-as-easily-and-new-variant-shows-signs-of-vaccine-evasion-early-uk-research-suggests/?sh=367e79dd1ac5&utm_campaign=socialflowForbesMainTwitter&utm_medium=social&utm_source=ForbesMainTwitter

Aug 6, 2021,10:17am EDT|478,719 views

Fully Vaccinated May Transmit Delta Just As Easily—And New Variant Shows Signs Of Vaccine Evasion—Early U.K. Research Suggests

Forbes Staff

 

While vaccinations reduce the overall risk of catching the delta variant, research published Friday by Public Health England (PHE) found early evidence that people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 may be able to transmit the hyper infectious variant just as easily as those who aren’t. 

With their findings outlined in a new technical briefing, PHE scientists said initial analysis of available data indicates that the levels of virus in people infected with the delta variant after being vaccinated "may be similar” to the levels found in unvaccinated people. 

PHE called the research just "early exploratory analysis” and wrote that "further targeted studies” are needed to determine the extent to which vaccinated people can spread the delta variant to others. 

Separately, the public health agency said another variant on the rise in the U.K., a strain known as B.1.621 that was discovered in Colombia, has shown signs of evading the immune response triggered by Covid-19 vaccines or previous infection. 

PHE said "there is preliminary laboratory evidence” suggesting that "vaccination and previous infection may be less effective at preventing infection” with this strain, though there is "no evidence” it is more transmissible than the delta variant, which now accounts for roughly 99% of the U.K.’s new cases. 

There have been 37 confirmed cases of B.1.621 in England across six different regions, according to PHE, and it has also been identified in several other countries, including the United States. 

Surprising Fact 

The data shared by PHE also showed that of the confirmed delta cases that ended up hospitalized since July 19, 55.1% of the 1,467 were unvaccinated, while 34.9% had received both doses of the vaccine. Experts have highlighted that hospitalizations of vaccinated people does not mean vaccines aren’t working. 

Crucial Quote 

"While vaccines provide high levels of protection, they are not 100% and will not stop everyone catching Covid-19,” PHE said on Friday. "As more of the population gets vaccinated, we will see a higher relative percentage of vaccinated people in hospital.” 

Key Background 

The findings from Public Health England line up with research released last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). As it sought to explain its sudden pivot on mask guidance for vaccinated people, the agency published a study suggesting fully immunized people who contract Covid-19 can spread the virus to others just as readily as unvaccinated people. 

1 hour ago, Procus said:

What an ignorant post.  Trump is very popular in the Cuban community - unless you don't believe they qualify as Latinos.

Exactly my point. If Latinos make up a huge portion of unvaccinated individuals, and Trump supporters do as well, logic dictates that unvaccinated Latino trump supporters are responsible for spreading Covid. Go scold Zuker for assuming all you trumpbots are angry white guys like him. 

10 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Exactly my point. If Latinos make up a huge portion of unvaccinated individuals, and Trump supporters do as well, logic dictates that unvaccinated Latino trump supporters are responsible for spreading Covid. Go scold Zuker for assuming all you trumpbots are angry white guys like him. 

Also, don't forget...

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Boogyman said:

Yet you always seem to care about my opinion. Not get back to your mirror and practice your fake internet tough guy act. You have been slipping as of late and have been looking like a bit of a ****.

Not really. Opinions are like arseholes. 

I do like to study people however. Actions. Reactions.  

You're just upset because you can't hurt my feelings. You can't rattle my cage.

For what its worth. I do find you a bit predictable. If I'm feeling punchy at the time you can be entertaining.

Another example:

Vikas is usually more disciplined than he (an assumption) has been lately. Maybe its his fathers condition. I don't know.

He's seems generally comfortable with racial stereotyping and joking about it as it suits his purpose at the time.

He likes people online to know he has money. To me that's the equivalent of posting a picture online holding a framed degree and saying "this is me". Ok? We generally don't interact.

For all you know I'm a quadriplegic using a straw to post. A co-worker. A chick. Your mom.

Did I just imply I might be your mom or am I saying "your mom"?

I'm the meanest, nice person you could ever hope to meet.

F off and have a nice day.

PS: that "Not" should be "Now". Fix it for wgb's sake or he'll fixate on it.

*middle finger emoji

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Not really. Opinions are like arseholes. 

I do like to study people however. Actions. Reactions.  

You're just upset because you can't hurt my feelings. You can't rattle my cage.

For what its worth. I do find you a bit predictable. If I'm feeling punchy at the time you can be entertaining.

Another example:

Vikas is usually more disciplined than he (an assumption) has been lately. Maybe its his fathers condition. I don't know.

He's seems generally comfortable with racial stereotyping and joking about it as it suits his purpose at the time.

He likes people online to know he has money. To me that's the equivalent of posting a picture online holding a framed degree and saying "this is me". Ok? We generally don't interact.

For all you know I'm a quadriplegic using a straw to post. A co-worker. A chick. Your mom.

Did I just imply I might be your mom or am I saying "your mom"?

I'm the meanest, nice person you could ever hope to meet.

F off and have a nice day.

PS: that "Not" should be "Now". Fix it for wgb's sake or he'll fixate on it.

*middle finger emoji

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah that response was not unhinged at all.  Glad to see you still don't care about my opinion in 1000 words or less.

Just now, Boogyman said:

Yeah that response was not unhinged at all.  Glad to see you still don't care about my opinion in 1000 words or less.

May or may not be stupid but you're certainly no deep thinker. 😂😂😂

Just now, lynched1 said:

😂😂😂

😉

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

Let’s see. CDC and their formal numbers.  Cherry picked his data and sources. 
 

Good point about the masking impact though you nicely left out everything else. Talk about a cherry pick. 

I posted the formal numbers.  He posted the ESTIMATES. Which are based on things like excess deaths. So again if you want to do that you should do that for COVID numbers. Which he didn't. This isn't that hard?

And I mentioned like 5 different issues and other measures that are wrong with the article. What are you talking about? Are you day drinking?

24 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

I see you know how to play with meme generators.  Definitely exceeded my expectations regarding your intellectual capacity.  Well done!!

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

I see you know how to play with meme generators.  Definitely exceeded my expectations regarding your intellectual capacity.  Well done!!

The fact you think it takes any intellectual capacity to make a meme tells me everything I need to know about yours. Poorly done as usual!!