18 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

 

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"I was one of the people that was anti, I was against it," Harwood said. "Now, I wish I never was."

I hope it was worth it, mam. 

5 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

What about children under 5?

Prior timelines pegged the 6mos - 4yr age group a couple months behind the 5-11 age group. So maybe a filing in November, and approval 4-8 weeks after that. Though the FDA has been bearish on follow ups and enrollment sizes late in the game, so there's a chance some idiots like Meissner will be able to convince others on the advisory committee to stall until a 6 month follow up is completed which is absolutely F'ing insane given what we know about how fast this is spreading in schools.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Prior timelines pegged the 6mos - 4 age group a couple months behind the 5-11 age group. So maybe a filing in November, and approval 4-8 weeks after that. Though the FDA has been bearish on follow ups and enrollment sizes late in the game, so there's a chance some idiots will like Meissner will be able to convince others on the advisory committee to stall until a 6 month follow up is completed which is absolutely F'ing insane given what we know about how fast this is spreading in schools.

What are you reading about the level of severity of infection among kids?

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Prior timelines pegged the 6mos - 4yr age group a couple months behind the 5-11 age group. So maybe a filing in November, and approval 4-8 weeks after that. Though the FDA has been bearish on follow ups and enrollment sizes late in the game, so there's a chance some idiots like Meissner will be able to convince others on the advisory committee to stall until a 6 month follow up is completed which is absolutely F'ing insane given what we know about how fast this is spreading in schools.

Damn, should have had my kids sooner.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

What are you reading about the level of severity of infection among kids?

Answer my question first and then I'll answer yours:

 

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On to the next question, for prophylactic purposes, which provides better protection against covid, the vaccine or ivermectin?

 

8 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I hope it was worth it, mam. 

By the objective results, an absolutely massive statistical anomaly, and the article infers there's a chance she had an underlying condition. She wasn't eligible for a vaccine either

If we get plenty of data that shows the opportunity cost of the vaccine is worth it, then sure, let kids get them

But the average person thinks their chances of dying from covid are 1000x higher than reality. That's a problem. We don't need to fear monger

Just now, mattmcginley7 said:

By the objective results, an absolutely massive statistical anomaly, and the article infers there's a chance she had an underlying condition. She wasn't eligible for a vaccine either

If we get plenty of data that shows the opportunity cost of the vaccine is worth it, then sure, let kids get them

But the average person thinks their chances of dying from covid are 1000x higher than normal. That's a problem. We don't need to fear monger

There was no logical reason for her mother not to get the vaccine other than being "anti". She will forever have to wonder what would have happened if she got that vaccine instead of being a moron.

3 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

By the objective results, an absolutely massive statistical anomaly, and the article infers there's a chance she had an underlying condition. She wasn't eligible for a vaccine either

If we get plenty of data that shows the opportunity cost of the vaccine is worth it, then sure, let kids get them

But the average person thinks their chances of dying from covid are 1000x higher than normal. That's a problem. We don't need to fear monger

My experience has been the opposite. Most people don’t take it seriously.

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

My experience has been the opposite. Most people don’t take it seriously.

I've seen a lot of both from people I know personally. It's been all or nothing

19 minutes ago, Procus said:

What are you reading about the level of severity of infection among kids?

See my post about the dead girl above.  Also, and I have posted this before, there is two infants in the NICU at one of our local hospitals fighting for their lives from Covid at the moment.

44 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

 

 

 

Please, point to where I said that

Yeah the guy that runs the FDAs Twitter account is also not the one doing that type of research.

What a POS. Brazenly undermining state rights.

It's one thing that the elderly were very sick with this disease and most were at the end of their life.  To see kids now getting sicker and some are dying is just pure lunacy.   That is sad.  No posting sad stories on Friday's!

Just now, Kz! said:

What a POS. Brazenly undermining state rights.

Great job by a man of action.

5 minutes ago, Kz! said:

What a POS. Brazenly undermining state rights.

You would have been such a fine citizen during WWII - probably complaining about stuff like this:  President Franklin Roosevelt created the Office of Price Administration in August 1941. Its main responsibility was to place a ceiling on prices of most goods to prevent wartime price gouging, and to limit consumption by rationing.Supplies such as gasoline, butter, canned milk and sugar were rationed so they could be provided for the war effort. Many people got three gallons of gas a week. The people here were standing in line for sugar, the first and last commodity that was rationed. The allocation was half a pound a week, half of what Americans typically consumed.

Similarly, here its a public health crisis -- the gov't steps in. 

Despite what right wing news and libertarians try to tell you, we live in society.  There are things we all need to do to contribute, with or without incentives by the gov't.  

1 minute ago, Boogyman said:

Yeah the FDA are also not the ones doing that type of research.

You're missing the point now. Addressing reasonable concerns by authority, by the news, and in general should not make out others to be a mockery and create more division. They should try their best to be understanding and helpful. 

If the left's argument to that is "well they do it too" then they can't claim the moral high ground. I don't care who started it first either. The well being of people is not to be a joke, exaggerated, or a stone left unturned. It should be open, honest, and encouraging 

8 minutes ago, Kz! said:

What a POS. Brazenly undermining state rights.

Florida’s Covid death toll was 1200 people yesterday.  Biden is trying to save lives.

10 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

You're missing the point now. Addressing reasonable concerns by authority, by the news, and in general should not make out others to be a mockery and create more division. They should try their best to be understanding and helpful. 

If the left's argument to that is "well they do it too" then they can't claim the moral high ground. I don't care who started it first either. The well being of people is not to be a joke, exaggerated, or a stone left unturned. It should be open, honest, and encouraging 

Personally speaking, I've tried and it was mostly fruitless. Outside of maybe one or two people in mine and my wife's family, I don't know that I helped convince anyone else who was on the fence to do the right thing and get vaccinated. Almost everyone who hasn't been vaccinated by now doesn't give a flying F about making the obvious choice for their own health so they sure as ish aren't gonna do it out of consideration for anyone else's. It's been 20 months of this stupidity and selfishness, and I'm kinda over it. So now it's time to have some fun and call out this utter idiocy for what it is. No more sugarcoating.

4 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

You need global coverage. It isn’t enough just to vaccinate one country. 

Lock the borders. 

1 hour ago, Procus said:

There are reputable doctors prescribing it down in Florida, and with excellent results.  Certainly not an excuse to be careless with dosage, but if somebody is sick and there are treatment options besides going to the hospital and getting intubated, you get treated.  With all the bashing I gave Biden on his outrageous speech yesterday, I do credit the administration for promoting monoclonal antibodies (Regeneron) as part of its plan.  This is something that DeSantis is way ahead of the curve on in Florida.  People down here can get treated at no cost with Regeneron if they test positive.

Regeneron is $1.5k/dose. A vaccine is $14. Pretty clear that Desantis is so crooked he can’t lay in bed straight. 

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

These 2 things are mutually exclusive. Being in Florida by definition means a doctor is not reputable.

There are actually a ton of good doctors down here. 

59 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

New Jersey is an embarrassment to the mid-Atlantic. Florida is an embarrassment to the entire country. 

It's like being champion of the Big 10 vs. being National Champion.

Dude, you’re from Delaware. The lamest state ever. Was Florida Man your Boy Scout Troop Leader or something? Your hatred for Florida knows no bounds. California used to be great, but when you walk down the street you’re dodging more piles of ish on the sidewalk than a Sudanese kid walking through a mine field. New York used to be where it’s at, but hipster millennials took over Brooklyn and Manhattan is full of upper middle class people who would have gotten eaten alive in the 80s by either criminals or other upper middle class people. Where the F else you gonna go? Texas? It has Florida heat, but no beaches. Also if you knock some broad up there you’re out child support for 18 years. Seattle? No thanks I like people who bathe. Boston? Great city if you’re not a minority who doesn’t like to be the victim of hate crimes. Chicago? Might as well be Kabul. 
 

Face it, Vikas. All those places you used to put up on a pedestal exist in those ways only in your mind. There’s no more California Dreaming. There’s no more Dorsia. There’s no more. 

1 minute ago, Bill said:

Lock the borders. 

Regeneron is $1.5k/dose. A vaccine is $14. Pretty clear that Desantis is so crooked he can’t lay in bed straight. 

There are actually a ton of good doctors down here. 

Dude, you’re from Delaware. The lamest state ever. Was Florida Man your Boy Scout Troop Leader or something? Your hatred for Florida knows no bounds. California used to be great, but when you walk down the street you’re dodging more piles of ish on the sidewalk than a Sudanese kid walking through a mine field. New York used to be where it’s at, but hipster millennials took over Brooklyn and Manhattan is full of upper middle class people who would have gotten eaten alive in the 80s by either criminals or other upper middle class people. Where the F else you gonna go? Texas? It has Florida heat, but no beaches. Also if you knock some broad up there you’re out child support for 18 years. Seattle? No thanks I like people who bathe. Boston? Great city if you’re not a minority who doesn’t like to be the victim of hate crimes. Chicago? Might as well be Kabul. 
 

Face it, Vikas. All those places you used to put up on a pedestal exist in those ways only in your mind. There’s no more California Dreaming. There’s no more Dorsia. There’s no more. 

Please don't confuse West LA, Beverly Hills and Bel Air with San Francisco. We pay to keep the poors out. 

And I hate NYC, Boston, Seattle and Chicago. NYC = rat infested hell hole. Boston = bunch of racist Irish jerks. Seattle = it's the less awful version of Portland. Chicago = worst weather on the planet. Still, in none of those places do people routinely try and eat other people's faces while high on bath salts. 

I’d live in Boston over LA. And it’s not close.

14 minutes ago, Bill said:

Lock the borders. 

Regeneron is $1.5k/dose. A vaccine is $14. Pretty clear that Desantis is so crooked he can’t lay in bed straight.

In Florida, there are treatment centers where you can get Regeneron for free.  If you're in bad shape and you can't or won't wait to get treated or are otherwise not in a position to drive to a treatment center, you can pay the full boat.

 

13 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 Still, in none of those places do people routinely try and eat other people's faces while high on bath salts. 

Oh big deal, one isolated instance of a face eating in Miami 10 years ago

6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I’d live in Boston over LA. And it’s not close.

You're white

33 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

You're missing the point now. Addressing reasonable concerns by authority, by the news, and in general should not make out others to be a mockery and create more division. They should try their best to be understanding and helpful. 

If the left's argument to that is "well they do it too" then they can't claim the moral high ground. I don't care who started it first either. The well being of people is not to be a joke, exaggerated, or a stone left unturned. It should be open, honest, and encouraging 

Well I mean that tweet from the FDA was needed anyhow. Lots of people have gotten pretty sick ingesting the horse paste.