Unsurprisingly, CVON ishlibs are further left than most democrats on this topic:

18 minutes ago, Procus said:

This is news?  Apparently the Covid shot has already caused this for many in this thread.

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/covid-may-cause-restless-anal-syndrome-report-680582

Dummy, the syndrome was an effect of being infected with the virus. Not the vaccine. The virus is not in the shot.

COVID has caused many lasting effects in many of those infected. That's why people are taking vaccines and making efforts to mitigate any effects of the infection.

16 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

"I'm not butthurt, you are!" says the trumpbot still unable to move on from the fact that their hero got humiliated and removed from office almost a year ago.

Somebody still can't get Trump out of their head. 

   

24 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Holy ish, he's still talking about it.    

  It's just so stupid and embarrassing that you guys are playing constant Matrix cosplay.

But to switch gears, Neo, what do you think about this?  

It seems to jive with your big government views.  Is this kind of heavy-handed socialism the new norm for Republicans?

1 minute ago, toolg said:

Dummy, the syndrome was an effect of being infected with the virus. Not the vaccine. The virus is not in the shot.

COVID has caused many lasting effects in many of those infected. That's why people are taking vaccines and making efforts to mitigate any effects of the infection.

I guess the concept of sarcasm and humor is lost upon you.

23 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

 

I'm curious about the comparison after say 6 months rather than 4 weeks. Also curious how the comparisons would be if J&J were a two-shot vaccine as well as mixing vaccines.

Just now, VanHammersly said:

  It's just so stupid and embarrassing that you guys are playing constant Matrix cosplay.

But to switch gears, Neo, what do you think about this?  

It seems to jive with your big government views.  Is this kind of heavy-handed socialism the new norm for Republicans?

Was the Matrix your favorite movie or something?  

The whole red pill/blue pill meme thing was way more popular and shared more often in like 2016. It's a 5 year old meme at this point. That you still have these feelings over it in 2021 is... well, it's something.  

1 minute ago, Procus said:

I guess the concept of sarcasm and humor is lost upon you.

Acting stupid is funny? Your attempt at humor was lost on me.

Just now, Kz! said:

Was the Matrix your favorite movie or something?  

The whole red pill/blue pill meme thing was way more popular and shared more often in like 2016. It's a 5 year old meme at this point. That you still have these feelings over it in 2021 is... well, it's something.  

  You keep posting tweets mentioning people getting red pilled.

11 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Unsurprisingly, CVON ishlibs are further left than most democrats on this topic:

"It's up to their employer" is probably the best answer and it's not available in the poll.

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

  You keep posting tweets mentioning people getting red pilled.

I'm going to have to bring back 2016 vibes even more if you obsess over them this much. lmfao    

2 minutes ago, toolg said:

Acting stupid is funny? Your attempt at humor was lost on me.

It's becoming painfully obvious at this point he is not acting.

3 hours ago, toolg said:

Acting stupid is funny? Your attempt at humor was lost on me.

Well, the inability to detect sarcasm and humor is an early sign of dementia according to SCIENCE.  Have you been checked out for that?

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2011/04/98290/inability-detect-sarcasm-lies-may-be-early-sign-dementia-ucsf-study-shows

9 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I'm curious about the comparison after say 6 months rather than 4 weeks. Also curious how the comparisons would be if J&J were a two-shot vaccine as well as mixing vaccines.

Same. Issue is, Delta hasn't been circulating as predominant variant for that long. So we'll have to wait to get a better idea yet. 

6 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

"It's up to their employer" is probably the best answer and it's not available in the poll.

It's Trafalgar. They're not interested in real answers.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Same. Issue is, Delta hasn't been circulating as predominant variant for that long. So we'll have to wait to get a better idea yet. 

At this point I've made 6 months with no symptoms so I'm happy with my vaccine decision. However, I'd like the freedom to choose any vaccine I want for the "booster" but I don't think I'll be able to (technically).

23 minutes ago, Procus said:

Somebody still can't get Trump out of their head. 

   

You should definitely cry more about Biden after supporting a failure and loser of historic proportions.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Same. Issue is, Delta hasn't been circulating as predominant variant for that long. So we'll have to wait to get a better idea yet. 

The biggest problem with all these graphs, stats and charts is that we really have no way of verifying the accuracy of the data that is input.

All debating and cutting up aside, how confident are you in the accuracy of this data?

4 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

At this point I've made 6 months with no symptoms so I'm happy with my vaccine decision. However, I'd like the freedom to choose any vaccine I want for the "booster" but I don't think I'll be able to (technically).

Same. I'd like to get a 50ug moderna boost, but that's not even an option right now for anyone. And at some point, I'd like to get a delta targeted boost in the spring if transmission levels are still high then.

1 minute ago, Procus said:

The biggest problem with all these graphs, stats and charts is that we really have no way of verifying the accuracy of the data that is input.

All debating and cutting up aside, how confident are you in the accuracy of this data?

No, I'm pretty sure the biggest problem is you being too stupid to understand them. A recurring theme, I've noticed.

13 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Stop making fun of my posts!  It's so 2016!

31 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Unsurprisingly, CVON ishlibs are further left than most democrats on this topic:

It's all in the wording with poll questions and this one is about as purposefully muddled as they come.  

2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

It's all in the wording with poll questions and this one is about as purposefully muddled as they come.  

Yeah, object doesn't necessarily mean refuse. I object to a lot of rules/laws, but it doesn't mean I refuse to comply with them.

32 minutes ago, Procus said:

I guess the concept of sarcasm and humor is lost upon you.

This coming from the idiot who thought The Satanic Temple was actually a group of legitimate Satan worshippers. You're penchant for self owning knows no bounds.

Just now, mayanh8 said:

This coming from the idiot who thought The Satanic Temple was actually a group of legitimate Satan worshippers. You're penchant for self ownage knows no bounds.

I see you've taken some time off from your Satanic worshiping activities to participate in the discussion. 

1 hour ago, Procus said:

The biggest problem with all these graphs, stats and charts is that we really have no way of verifying the accuracy of the data that is input.

All debating and cutting up aside, how confident are you in the accuracy of this data?

No, the biggest problem is that people twist them to try and introduce FUD when the data doesn't tell the story they want.

When taken in its totality the story is not that complicated:

1. Delta's significantly higher viral load partially neutralized the vaccine's effectiveness in preventing infection
2. In aggregate the vaccines are still very effective and reducing significantly the number of severe and fatal cases.
3. High-risk populations, even highly vaccinated high-risk populations, are still the most likely to develop severe and fatal cases, even as the vaccine is our best tool in boosting the immune system to fight off infection.

Vaccines work. For some, boosters may be quite helpful in keeping the immune system trained. This isn't an across the board thing; we do not have the benefit of years of study of COVID to fully understand all the nuances. But what we know is that the vaccines, the mRNA vaccines especially, are the most effective tool we have. 

We also know that hospitals are filling up with COVID cases, not people with side effects of vaccines. We know that in the least vaccinated areas hospitals are filling past capacity, and it's impacting the ability of non-COVID patients to get access to the care they need - sometimes costing lives unrelated directly to COVID.

We know that even in vaccinated areas, waves of Delta can cause hospital cases to spike. But thus far, when a Delta wave spread through a highly vaccinated population the hospitals are able to manage this wave.

Take Israel, the anti-science right's favorite source to spin nonsense - the Delta wave resulted in more COVID cases than ever. But the deaths were half earlier peeks. Because the vaccines were working, even against a more contagious variant among a population whose vaccination timeline stretched back 8+ mos. And had we known that boosters are necessary for at least some high-risk populations who had been vaccinated back in January even more lives might have been saved.