September 29, 20215 yr 10 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Why do you have such a hard time conflating case studies, anecdotes and individual hospital numbers with proof? Even this group showed they had 97% vaccine rates asking doctors and 50% from nurses (which likely spans from ICU nurses to LPNs). So again, less education, less vaccinated. A trend playing itself out in the hospitals and the outside world too. Nurses are more front line with this than physicians. But I suspected you would throw something in to the effect that doctors are superior to nurses, and you did not disappoint.
September 30, 20215 yr 34 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Remember guys, procus is definitely not in any way shape or form an antivaxer. Not anti-vax, pro-choice. I am definitely pro-measles, mumps, polio, smallpox, diptheria, whooping cough, scarlet fever, etc. vax. Also have no problem with Covid vaccines per se, but have a real problem with the heavy handed way they are being mandated - especially among those who already were infected and recovered. Especially given that less than one year after they were widely distributed, people are still getting infected and spreading the virus. And only one of the vaccines is FDA approved, so the rest are still experimental. Now, the mantra is that vaccines prevent the infected from experiencing worse symptoms. Fine, if that's the case, where are all the doctors, politicians, industry leaders laying out the protocol for what to do in case one is infected. The so-called doctor on this thread begrudgingly admitted that Regeneron should be considered in case of infection, but guess what - a significant chunk of the public is clueless on what to do if they get sick. Go think quick on your feet when you're infected with coronavirus. If the powers that be were serious about helping sick people, they would be laying out the protocol of what to do to mitigate the effects of the illness once infected. The telltale giveaway is the slander on Ivemectin - calling it horse paste. Ridicule a treatment that has been shown to be effective and is cheap (especially outside the U.S. where Big Pharm is unable to rip off the general public to the degree they get away with here). People like WGB couldn't care less about treating someone infected with coronavirus - especially if they're unvaccinated.
September 30, 20215 yr "I'm not antivax buuuut, here's a bunch of antivax nonsense that I just happen to post every single day in here".
September 30, 20215 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: "I'm not antivax buuuut, here's a bunch of antivax nonsense that I just happen to post every single day in here". He’s not anti-vax, he’s just pro-horse medicine. Have you ever considered that maybe he’s a talking horse? Of course you haven’t, you insensitive ****.
September 30, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: He’s not anti-vax, he’s just pro-horse medicine. Have you ever considered that maybe he’s a talking horse? Of course you haven’t, you insensitive ****. Typical - if you actually READ the response, you'd see that I am pro proliferation of TREATMENT options. But it's common to attack the messenger when you can't attack the message. Unless you too are also against treatment options for the infected. I guess you are.
September 30, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: "I'm not antivax buuuut, here's a bunch of antivax nonsense that I just happen to post every single day in here". Okay, I'll bite. Let's say you're infected and starting to feel really bad. What's your plan? Do you even have one?
September 30, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, Procus said: Okay, I'll bite. Let's say you're infected and starting to feel really bad. What's your plan? Do you even have one? Most of the folks taking these absurd concoctions of drugs are not vaccinated.
September 30, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Most of the folks taking these absurd concoctions of drugs are not vaccinated. Okay, you're not taking an "absurd" concoction of drugs. What's your plan if you get infected? Do you have one? If not, why not?
September 30, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, Procus said: Typical - if you actually READ the response, you'd see that I am pro proliferation of TREATMENT options. But it's common to attack the messenger when you can't attack the message. Unless you too are also against treatment options for the infected. I guess you are. Dude, no one’s against treatment options. We’re just against unproven treatment options. And we don’t believe everything we see on zerohedge or Tucker Carlson because our brains are fully formed.
September 30, 20215 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: Dude, no one’s against treatment options. We’re just against unproven treatment options. And we don’t believe everything we see on zerohedge or Tucker Carlson because our brains are fully formed. Glad to hear that - two questions: 1. Define "unproven" treatment options, and 2. Among "proven" treatment options, what is your plan for treatment - assuming you have one if you come down with a bad case.
September 30, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, Procus said: Okay, you're not taking an "absurd" concoction of drugs. What's your plan if you get infected? Do you have one? If not, why not? Uhhh, I got the vaccine so I wouldn’t have to worry about that.
September 30, 20215 yr 12 minutes ago, Procus said: Okay, I'll bite. Let's say you're infected and starting to feel really bad. What's your plan? Do you even have one? Call my doc and ask about mAbs and remdesivir, already knowing the former is a better option than the latter. Depending on how severe my symptoms are and how long it's been since their onset, maybe it's time to go straight to dexamethasone. You know what I won't be asking about? Hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, or nebulizing hydrogen peroxide. Why, you ask? Because I'm not a moron. And if my doctor suggests any of those three, I'm hanging up the phone and getting a new doctor.
September 30, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Uhhh, I got the vaccine so I wouldn’t have to worry about that. If you read a few pages earlier, I lost a friend last week to Covid. She was in her early 70's and was fully vaccinated. So I would disagree with your statement, and suggest that having a fallback plan in case of emergency is prudent given the number of breakthrough infections that were seeing in various locations.
September 30, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Call my doc and ask about mAbs and remdesivir, already knowing the former is a better option than the latter. Depending on how severe my symptoms are and how long it's been since they're onset, maybe it's time to go straight to dexamethasone. You know what I won't be asking about? Hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, or nebulizing hydrogen peroxide. Why, you ask? Because I'm not a moron. And if my doctor suggests any of those three, I'm hanging up the phone and getting a new doctor. Without calling you a moron (as tempting as that is), I am disappointed that you haven't pinpointed where to get mAbs (Regeneron) in the unlikely event that you or a family member are in need. Just in case, here's a link you can navigate through. https://covid.infusioncenter.org/
September 30, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: Without calling you a moron (as tempting as that is), I am disappointed that you haven't pinpointed where to get mAbs (Regeneron) in the unlikely event that you or a family member are in need. Just in case, here's a link you can navigate through. https://covid.infusioncenter.org/ You're disappointed that I didn't tell you where I can get mAbs where I live? As if you'd either know a given location for a state you're likely not familiar with, or that I couldn't get the info from my doctor in that very same phone call, or just from a simple 30 second search. Yeah, oh so disappointing. Now back to you're regularly scheduled antivax BS, trumpbot.
September 30, 20215 yr 49 minutes ago, Procus said: Nurses are more front line with this than physicians. But I suspected you would throw something in to the effect that doctors are superior to nurses, and you did not disappoint. No they're not. And they're certainly less involved in treatment planning and hospital/unit management, and by definition have less education than doctors/NPs. But we'll add "hospital roles" to the growing list of things you clearly have no clue about.
September 30, 20215 yr 9 minutes ago, Procus said: If you read a few pages earlier, I lost a friend last week to Covid. She was in her early 70's and was fully vaccinated. So I would disagree with your statement, and suggest that having a fallback plan in case of emergency is prudent given the number of breakthrough infections that were seeing in various locations. And if more people were vaccinated she would still be alive.
September 30, 20215 yr Just now, DEagle7 said: No they're not. And they're certainly less involved in treatment planning and hospital/unit management, and by definition have less education than doctors/NPs. But we'll add "hospital roles" to the growing list of things you clearly have no clue about. Yah, the EMB resident know it all progressive physician.
September 30, 20215 yr 54 minutes ago, Procus said: Nurses are more front line with this than physicians. But I suspected you would throw something in to the effect that doctors are superior to nurses, and you did not disappoint. Are you trying to imply they aren't? You think the level of credentials and licensing are even in the same universe? You think their level of pay isn't indicative of their expertise? How many bad takes can you possibly have in one thread, dude?
September 30, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Are you trying to imply they aren't? You think the level of credentials and licensing are even in the same universe? You think their level of pay isn't indicative of their expertise? How many bad takes can you possibly have in one thread, dude? Unvaccinated nurses who believe every conspiracy theory on facebook are the enlightened ones. C’mon man
September 30, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, Procus said: Yah, the EMB resident know it all progressive physician. Yea we shouldn't listen to a licensed physician for medical advice, we should instead listen to procus, CVON whipping boy and resident antivaxer.
September 30, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Unvaccinated nurses who believe every conspiracy theory on facebook are the enlightened ones. C’mon man Aren't nurses the ones getting the kick backs from big pharma?
September 30, 20215 yr Nurses are incredibly important but FFS we need to be real, that title applies to highly specialized ICU nurses along with 20 year olds fresh off an 12 month LPN program. They're not exactly a uniformly informed and educated group. Neither are doctors but the gap is MUCH narrower.
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