October 5, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I see common sense is not your strong point. Repeat after me - you can not accurately assess long term effects before a long term has passed. See, it's not that complicated, is it??
October 5, 20214 yr 27 minutes ago, DiPros said: Ted Nugent called me a sheep. How will I ever get over it? LOL Coming from someone who was diagnosed with a serious disease and is doing well I'm here to tell you it's all a crap shoot. Seen it with covid too. Perfectly healthy people getting really sick, and some have died. What I don't understand is people absolutely digging in their heels and not listening to logic. Vaccines have ALWAYS been the way out of epidemics and pandemics. It's really discouraging to see such division. I'd also like to say I have no issue hearing about different treatment options. I totally get that. When you're sick and in danger of dying you will try anything. It's a survival instinct. That's not what's happening here though. Not even close. Sad. I'm tired of being sad. It's really not that crazy when you think about it. mRNA vaccines have never before been used in humans. Historically, vaccines take a decade to develop. These were rolled out in like 12 months. Despite the insanely sensationalized media coverage that highlights every single rare instance a young, healthy person dies of the disease, the chances of someone my age and fitness level catching it and even being hospitalized are incredibly slim much less dying. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I think anyone who is getting up there in years or anyone who is a tub of lard should get it. High risk individuals should definitely get it. That's why I support most of you all getting it. I just want to see some of the basics answered before I get it. Like, how long does the shot last? How long would the booster last? Does the booster cause any or more adverse reactions than the initial shot(s)? Is this a twice a year commitment for the rest of my life? You know, basic anti-vaxx questions.
October 5, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Boogyman said: We all stayed home while sick like a person should. Also stop trying so hard. It's a pretty bad look. LOL one post is trying too hard, while you follow people around in CVON like a little cuck b!tch
October 5, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, mikemack8 said: LOL one post is trying too hard, while you follow people around in CVON like a little cuck b!tch It's more the feeble attempt than the quantity. But other than that, awesome!
October 5, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Boogyman said: We all stayed home while sick like a person should. Also stop trying so hard. It's a pretty bad look. Your wife looked bad when I had sex with her last night. In her V. 7 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: How's your anti-mask family doing with the flu outbreak? I hope you didn't spread anything to the high risk folks out there, you inconsiderate jerk! Imagine being an ishlib who jerks it to Fauci pressers and catching the effing flu. How many tenets of his religion did he violate to catch the thing that's almost been completely eradicated by masks and social distancing?
October 5, 20214 yr Just now, Kz! said: Your wife looked bad when I had sex with her last night. In her V. In her V? No way! Did she look really bad though? Like, bad bad?
October 5, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Kz! said: Imagine being an ishlib who jerks it to Fauci pressers and catching the effing flu. How many tenets of his religion did he violate to catch the thing that's almost been completely eradicated by masks and social distancing? Yeah I should have avoid that flu. Next time I'll duck, or dodge and roll to the left. When I say trying way to hard, these are the things I'm talking about.
October 5, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Boogyman said: In her V? No way! Did she look really bad though? Like, bad bad? Yeah, she's a total dog face/body wise. Just disgusting, really.
October 5, 20214 yr "Young healthy people don't need to get vaccinated because the risks are not worth it..."
October 5, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, Kz! said: It's really not that crazy when you think about it. mRNA vaccines have never before been used in humans. Historically, vaccines take a decade to develop. These were rolled out in like 12 months. Despite the insanely sensationalized media coverage that highlights every single rare instance a young, healthy person dies of the disease, the chances of someone my age and fitness level catching it and even being hospitalized are incredibly slim much less dying. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I think anyone who is getting up there in years or anyone who is a tub of lard should get it. High risk individuals should definitely get it. That's why I support most of you all getting it. I just want to see some of the basics answered before I get it. Like, how long does the shot last? How long would the booster last? Does the booster cause any or more adverse reactions than the initial shot(s)? Is this a twice a year commitment for the rest of my life? You know, basic anti-vaxx questions. They have been in development for awhile now. They were used in humans. How else would they complete the clinical trials to get it approved? Those humans are the real heroes. At this point, with millions of us vaccinated without adverse reactions, how some still want to conclude its safety is suspect to me. I do realize there have been some medications approved by studies and the FDA which later were discontinued, but I don't see that happening here. At least you are following the science with your age and health status as good.
October 5, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Boogyman said: Yeah I should have avoid that flu. Next time I'll duck, or dodge and roll to the left. When I say trying way to hard, these are the things I'm talking about. Someone definitely didn't try too hard in English class. lmfao, effing moron.
October 5, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, Procus said: I see common sense is not your strong point. Repeat after me - you can not accurately assess long term effects before a long term has passed. See, it's not that complicated, is it?? It's clear you have no idea how vaccines work, let along mRNA vaccines. Going back at least to the polio vaccine, there have been zero long-term side effects associated with vaccinations. mRNA is incredibly fragile, which is why despite the fact that they've been studies since the early 90s they have only just recently become viable for use in this setting. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines both break down incredibly quickly, and last only long enough to help train the body to produce antibodies that will attack COVID. The vaccine literally does not exist in the body for long enough for there to be any long term side effects. It does not manipulate DNA , It does not do anything other than train the immune system. This is what vaccines do: they are catalysts for increased natural defenses against maladies. If you always want to fall back to this "well we just don't know!!" nonsense then it's clear you're not following science, you've got a conclusion and you're selecting information and reports - no matter how questionable the source (OAN and Project Veritas ) - that fit that. Then claiming any other reporting is the actually biased reports. You're a fraud. A moron. At best you're a bad troll.
October 5, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: It's really not that crazy when you think about it. mRNA vaccines have never before been used in humans. Historically, vaccines take a decade to develop. These were rolled out in like 12 months. So you’re upset they didn’t spend eight and a half more years working on the vaccine before authorization?
October 5, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, Kz! said: It's really not that crazy when you think about it. mRNA vaccines have never before been used in humans. Historically, vaccines take a decade to develop. These were rolled out in like 12 months. Despite the insanely sensationalized media coverage that highlights every single rare instance a young, healthy person dies of the disease, the chances of someone my age and fitness level catching it and even being hospitalized are incredibly slim much less dying. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I think anyone who is getting up there in years or anyone who is a tub of lard should get it. High risk individuals should definitely get it. That's why I support most of you all getting it. I just want to see some of the basics answered before I get it. Like, how long does the shot last? How long would the booster last? Does the booster cause any or more adverse reactions than the initial shot(s)? Is this a twice a year commitment for the rest of my life? You know, basic anti-vaxx questions. yeah here's the difference: billions of people have received the mRNA virus over the last 10 mos. here's a complete list of long term side effects reported:
October 5, 20214 yr 23 minutes ago, Procus said: It's not a matter of easy, it's a matter of the truth. Is it easier for you to believe that our entire way of life should be disrupted and destroyed by a virus with a survival rate in excess of 99%? Shall I mention the number of ways? Locking down the healthy - effectively putting them under house arrest? Shuttering numerous businesses? Denying treatment during the early stages of this to people with sicknesses other than Covid because hospitals were closed? Massive government handouts to individuals and businesses as a result of lockdowns and lockouts causing significant inflation that shows no signs of abating? This is for starters - but hey, you go trust politicians. Go ahead. They're honest and have our best interests at heart. They'd never sell out to special interests . . . See, here's the thing. It's fine to have an opinion on politics. It's weird and cultish when those political opinions are dictating your thoughts on medicine. Is there a conservative POV on Tylenol? I don't know how to explain this to you, but your thoughts on lockdowns, govt handouts, and small businesses can (and should) be separate from your thoughts on the efficacy of medicine. And frankly, selling out to special interest...I could wrap my head around a conspiracy of big pharma pushing their drugs during a pandemic to make a profit. Except that there are dozens of other wealthy special interests who are getting their balls beat in by an ongoing pandemic impeding their ability to earn money. So essentially you're just cherry picking pieces of the narrative that fit into your personal ideology, and excluding the other 95% that doesn't.
October 5, 20214 yr Just now, DiPros said: They have been in development for awhile now. They were used in humans. How else would they complete the clinical trials to get it approved? Those humans are the real heroes. At this point, will millions of us vaccinated without adverse reactions, how some still want to conclude its safety is suspect to me. I do realize there have been some medications approved by studies and the FDA which later were discontinued, but I don't see that happening here. At least you are following the science with your age and health status as good. Oh, yeah, they've been experimenting with mRNA vaccines for a long time, apparently. Never before used them in humans, though. This is kind of like the largest science experiment in human history when you think about it, though. And I agree, they are definitely safe for the vast majority who get them. They have caused severe reactions including death in some, though. Again, I can acknowledge my chances of having severe complications from taking them is also very small.
October 5, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: yeah here's the difference: billions of people have received the mRNA virus over the last 10 mos. here's a complete list of long term side effects reported: I'm no anti vaxxer, but these two things are not the same
October 5, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: So you’re upset they didn’t spend eight and a half more years working on the vaccine before authorization? so the trump administration pushed through a vaccine that wasn't ready yet? operation warp speed was a huge, dangerous mistake?
October 5, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Yeah I should have avoid that flu. Next time I'll duck, or dodge and roll to the left. When I say trying way to hard, these are the things I'm talking about. We get it - people get the flu. It's understandable. All I'm saying is that if you'd been triple masking like a good little ishlib, you probably wouldn't have gotten sick. Just know that Tony Fauci is highly disappointed in you.
October 5, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, mikemack8 said: I'm no anti vaxxer, but these two things are not the same Dude, if you know the science behind vaccines - mRNA or otherwise - you would know that the risk of long term side effects is effectively zero. Any side effects from vaccinations quickly surface. It would be like asking "what are the long term side effects of catching a cold when I was 6 years old?"
October 5, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, mr_hunt said: so the trump administration pushed through a vaccine that wasn't ready yet? operation warp speed was a huge, dangerous mistake? Warp speed is how fast Kz’s head is going to spin when he realizes this.
October 5, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: yeah here's the difference: billions of people have received the mRNA virus over the last 10 mos. here's a complete list of long term side effects reported: Any long term side effects from the booster? How about the third booster? Fourth? How long do any of them actually last? These are questions I'd like answered before I sign up for my lifetime subscription to Pfizer for my twice yearly Covid shots. You can disagree with that decision and call me names for it, if you'd like, but I'm pretty comfortable with my decision. And who knows, I may go ahead and get the jab if there's a bad outbreak in my area. I may have to for my job anyway.
October 5, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: It's clear you have no idea how vaccines work, let along mRNA vaccines. Going back at least to the polio vaccine, there have been zero long-term side effects associated with vaccinations. mRNA is incredibly fragile, which is why despite the fact that they've been studies since the early 90s they have only just recently become viable for use in this setting. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines both break down incredibly quickly, and last only long enough to help train the body to produce antibodies that will attack COVID. The vaccine literally does not exist in the body for long enough for there to be any long term side effects. It does not manipulate DNA , It does not do anything other than train the immune system. This is what vaccines do: they are catalysts for increased natural defenses against maladies. If you always want to fall back to this "well we just don't know!!" nonsense then it's clear you're not following science, you've got a conclusion and you're selecting information and reports - no matter how questionable the source (OAN and Project Veritas ) - that fit that. Then claiming any other reporting is the actually biased reports. You're a fraud. A moron. At best you're a bad troll. Dude - you're not scoring points with the insults. We all hope you are correct. Nobody wants long term side effects lingering in billions of people. But we don't know yet. You are not an expert on these vaccines nor am I.
October 5, 20214 yr At some point, my sympathy for people like procus will begin waning. I initially tried in earnest to help people like him understand the risks they are exposing themselves to because of their political loyalty but it has fallen on deaf ears. I recall back to a time when Iron Eagle said he would pack up his things and uproot his family to another country if Clinton beat Trump. He was serious, and I understood that. I tried to tell him how dangerous his level of fanaticism was to himself and others but it was pointless. I had interacted with him on the EMB for almost two decades. He was a good guy that let an unchecked illness take over his soul and all that was left was a rotting shell of what he once was. I see this same pattern in people like zuke, pffb, and others. The real virus infected them a long time ago and unfortunately their immune system was never up to the task.
October 5, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, Lloyd said: See, here's the thing. It's fine to have an opinion on politics. It's weird and cultish when those political opinions are dictating your thoughts on medicine. Is there a conservative POV on Tylenol? I don't know how to explain this to you, but your thoughts on lockdowns, govt handouts, and small businesses can (and should) be separate from your thoughts on the efficacy of medicine. Go read up on Uttar Pradesh in India and get back to me. When hospitals and pharmacies start withholding treatments prescribed by doctors that are low cost and low profit for Big Pharm but could be life saving, that's a big problem.
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