12 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Is anyone taking Kz! as a source for reliable information?

he needs to troll better. it's not even entertaining when he seems to be earnestly passing on BS.

Imagine letting these nerds run your life and dictate how you spend your holidays.  

 

Well, ishlibs don't have to imagine, but for the rest of us lmfao

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

studies stating healthier people tend to die less from COVID is hardly breaking news. 

making a statement that Vitamin D supplements would have "saved anyone who had gotten seriously ill" is a gross overstatement. 

Kinda funny to watch the rabid defenders of giant soda sizes and open buffets suddenly act like they are health nuts with regimens built around natural immunities.  Politics makes strange bedfellows, I know (liberals have the hilarious truce between conservative black pastors and LGBTq+).  But there has got to be none stranger than the granola crowd and the Shoney's Rewards Club banding together to decide there are microchips in vaccines..

Starting to see a widespread outbreak in our district elementary schools.  Multiple kids in my kids class, and throughout every grade level in K-5.  Middle schools aren’t seeing that.  Could it be that vaccines work? 

On 10/3/2021 at 10:17 AM, Procus said:

Notice the disclaimer that Twitter felt obligated to attach to this tweet.  Twitter also forbids sharing the tweet on twitter and it may delete the tweet, hence the screenshot.  I also gave link is to the actual obit.  Good morning everybody, and Go Eagles!

https://obits.oregonlive.com/us/obituaries/oregon/name/jessica-wilson-obituary?pid=200278331

This was circulating around my wife's hospital. The entire thing stinks of fake news clickbait 

38 minutes ago, DBW said:

Starting to see a widespread outbreak in our district elementary schools.  Multiple kids in my kids class, and throughout every grade level in K-5.  Middle schools aren’t seeing that.  Could it be that vaccines work? 

Interesting. Anecdotally, in my district the middle schools seem worse than elementary schools. Is it because middle schools are larger and change classes, putting more kids in close contact with each other? There is less outbreak in high schools.

17 minutes ago, toolg said:

Interesting. Anecdotally, in my district the middle schools seem worse than elementary schools. Is it because middle schools are larger and change classes, putting more kids in close contact with each other? There is less outbreak in high schools.

Could be larger classes and changing classes with crowded hallways.  Our kids have to wear masks too.  In the elementary school, There’s literally half of my wife’s class out with Covid right now.
 

47 minutes ago, Gannan said:

This was circulating around my wife's hospital. The entire thing stinks of fake news clickbait 

https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2021/04/01/01/42/vaccine-induced-thrombotic-thrombocytopenia-vitt-and-covid-19-vaccines
 

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To date (June 8, 2021), this condition has not been reported in patients who have received the Moderna or Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines.

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The incidence of VITT is not certain, but it appears to be extremely rare. A recent report in JACC found that cerebral vein thrombosis occurred in 3.6 per million people after the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine and 0.9 per million people after Johnson & Johnson vaccine. For comparison, the rate of cerebral vein thrombosis is estimated at 207 per million in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 and 2.4 per million in the general population. The risk of death and serious outcomes of COVID-19 (including thrombosis) far outweigh the small risk of VITT.

 

So the incidence rate after a J&J vaccine (assuming she didn't somehow get the AZ vaccine) is less than the incidence for the general population, and 200x less than that of those hospitalized with COVID-19.

It's certainly possible that VITT is more common than is reported considering how few J&J vaccines have actually been given. If this woman got Moderna or Pfizer then there's no basis thus far on which to make the claim that the condition was vaccine-induced.

Of course it's incredibly sad when someone dies of a rare disease, and it's natural to lash out at whatever you think may have caused it. But it's also not impossible that this was coincidental with her vaccination. A small number of people among the general population die of this every year historically, and it's not impossible to think that among the 100s or so who appear to develop this condition each year that one or two will have gotten a recent COVID vaccination. 

When you're dealing with millions of people, those sorts of things happen. 

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

This was circulating around my wife's hospital. The entire thing stinks of fake news clickbait 

There's an actual link to the funeral home website.

https://obits.oregonlive.com/us/obituaries/oregon/name/jessica-wilson-obituary?pid=200278331

3 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

There's an actual link to the funeral home website.

https://obits.oregonlive.com/us/obituaries/oregon/name/jessica-wilson-obituary?pid=200278331

yeah it doesn't appear to be fake, but it's still in pretty bad taste to use a wife and mother's obituary to make a political statement. 

I think there actually is a risk to getting the vaccine. But there’s a lot more of a risk to not getting the vaccine. And I think reasonably intelligent adults are able to assess the risk and get vaccinated.

4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I think there actually is a risk to getting the vaccine. But there’s a lot more of a risk to not getting the vaccine. And I think reasonably intelligent adults are able to assess the risk and get vaccinated.

There's a reason most of these mandates have medical exemptions. There are rare but legitimate reasons why a doctor may advise against a vaccination in individual cases.

Every medical decision we make represents a trade-off between risk and reward to keep our bodies animate as long as possible. Unfortunately some of these decisions also impact others in the aggregate, so in these instances we individually support the public policies we think best balance those.

This dork literally went from "IDK if you can spend time with family this Christmas" to "Sure, do it" in like 24 hours:

And people wonder why most reflexively roll their eyes and do a dismissive wanking gesture whenever his name comes up.  

3 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Is anyone taking Kz! as a source for reliable information?

Only a few here do and it's less than 10 people who are just like him. 

32 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I think there actually is a risk to getting the vaccine. But there’s a lot more of a risk to not getting the vaccine. And I think reasonably intelligent adults are able to assess the risk and get vaccinated.

Pretty simple really at this point.

10 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Pretty simple really at this point.

You would think but I was just talking to a guy yesterday who refuses to get vaccinated

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

You would think but I was just talking to a guy yesterday who refuses to get vaccinated

Did you tell him he was a moron?  I mean, assuming he wasn't one of those rare ones who are actually at some real danger with the vaccine itself.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Did you tell him he was a moron?  I mean, assuming he wasn't one of those rare ones who are actually at some real danger with the vaccine itself.

No, because that would not help things.  But I really don’t get folks who are willing to lose their job over it.  These folks are stubborn as hell.

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

yeah it doesn't appear to be fake, but it's still in pretty bad taste to use a wife and mother's obituary to make a political statement. 

I didn't think people would be ghoulish enough to exploit the death of a loved one for cheap political points, but I have once again underestimated the depths to which the average anti-vaxx Trumpbot will stoop. 

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

No, because that would not help things

You didn't have to use those words directly

https://www.oann.com/india-govt-declares-most-populated-state-officially-covid-free-after-widespread-use-of-ivermectin/

India govt. declares most populated state officially COVID free after widespread use of Ivermectin

OAN Newsroom
UPDATED 4:26 PM PT – Saturday, October 2, 2021

While the mainstream media condemns the use of Ivermectin, the most populated state in India just declared they are officially COVID free after promoting widespread use of the safe, proven medicine. One America’s Pearson Sharp has more.

[Video in linked site]

 OAN

oan is all over that story!   

1 hour ago, Dawkins 20 said:

There's an actual link to the funeral home website.

https://obits.oregonlive.com/us/obituaries/oregon/name/jessica-wilson-obituary?pid=200278331

There was a tweet about the obit, and Twitter followed it with a disclaimer on vaccine safety.  This sure looks to be legit, and I doubt even the progressives on this thread will dispute that there is always a risk in getting a vaccine like this.

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

 OAN

Yah, attack the messenger.  That's all you people can do when you see news that contradicts your inflexible positions.

6 minutes ago, Procus said:

There was a tweet about the obit, and Twitter followed it with a disclaimer on vaccine safety.  This sure looks to be legit, and I doubt even the progressives on this thread will dispute that there is always a risk in getting a vaccine like this.

Yah, attack the messenger.  That's all you people can do when you see news that contradicts your inflexible positions.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/10/4/2055998/-GOP-lies-tied-to-rural-Americans-dying-at-double-the-number-compared-to-urbanites

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People living in America’s rural communities are dying at twice the rate of people living in American cities, a new study shows. And all of the rural areas are in … guess what? That’s right, Republican states. States, we might add, with low vaccination rates, supported by conservative politicians selling anti-vax sentiment and hoax cures under the guise of "personal freedom.”

Health disparities in rural communities aren’t new. Greater levels of poverty combined with limited access to medical care and systemic racism create a natural recipe for disaster. But, add in existing co-morbidities such as age, obesity, and diabetes, and throw on this pervasive misinformation about vaccines—which also drives low vaccine rates and staffing shortages—and now the recipe is deadly.