October 5, 20215 yr 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: It's really not that crazy when you think about it. mRNA vaccines have never before been used in humans. Historically, vaccines take a decade to develop. These were rolled out in like 12 months. So you’re upset they didn’t spend eight and a half more years working on the vaccine before authorization?
October 5, 20215 yr 11 minutes ago, Kz! said: It's really not that crazy when you think about it. mRNA vaccines have never before been used in humans. Historically, vaccines take a decade to develop. These were rolled out in like 12 months. Despite the insanely sensationalized media coverage that highlights every single rare instance a young, healthy person dies of the disease, the chances of someone my age and fitness level catching it and even being hospitalized are incredibly slim much less dying. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I think anyone who is getting up there in years or anyone who is a tub of lard should get it. High risk individuals should definitely get it. That's why I support most of you all getting it. I just want to see some of the basics answered before I get it. Like, how long does the shot last? How long would the booster last? Does the booster cause any or more adverse reactions than the initial shot(s)? Is this a twice a year commitment for the rest of my life? You know, basic anti-vaxx questions. yeah here's the difference: billions of people have received the mRNA virus over the last 10 mos. here's a complete list of long term side effects reported:
October 5, 20215 yr 23 minutes ago, Procus said: It's not a matter of easy, it's a matter of the truth. Is it easier for you to believe that our entire way of life should be disrupted and destroyed by a virus with a survival rate in excess of 99%? Shall I mention the number of ways? Locking down the healthy - effectively putting them under house arrest? Shuttering numerous businesses? Denying treatment during the early stages of this to people with sicknesses other than Covid because hospitals were closed? Massive government handouts to individuals and businesses as a result of lockdowns and lockouts causing significant inflation that shows no signs of abating? This is for starters - but hey, you go trust politicians. Go ahead. They're honest and have our best interests at heart. They'd never sell out to special interests . . . See, here's the thing. It's fine to have an opinion on politics. It's weird and cultish when those political opinions are dictating your thoughts on medicine. Is there a conservative POV on Tylenol? I don't know how to explain this to you, but your thoughts on lockdowns, govt handouts, and small businesses can (and should) be separate from your thoughts on the efficacy of medicine. And frankly, selling out to special interest...I could wrap my head around a conspiracy of big pharma pushing their drugs during a pandemic to make a profit. Except that there are dozens of other wealthy special interests who are getting their balls beat in by an ongoing pandemic impeding their ability to earn money. So essentially you're just cherry picking pieces of the narrative that fit into your personal ideology, and excluding the other 95% that doesn't.
October 5, 20215 yr Just now, DiPros said: They have been in development for awhile now. They were used in humans. How else would they complete the clinical trials to get it approved? Those humans are the real heroes. At this point, will millions of us vaccinated without adverse reactions, how some still want to conclude its safety is suspect to me. I do realize there have been some medications approved by studies and the FDA which later were discontinued, but I don't see that happening here. At least you are following the science with your age and health status as good. Oh, yeah, they've been experimenting with mRNA vaccines for a long time, apparently. Never before used them in humans, though. This is kind of like the largest science experiment in human history when you think about it, though. And I agree, they are definitely safe for the vast majority who get them. They have caused severe reactions including death in some, though. Again, I can acknowledge my chances of having severe complications from taking them is also very small.
October 5, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: yeah here's the difference: billions of people have received the mRNA virus over the last 10 mos. here's a complete list of long term side effects reported: I'm no anti vaxxer, but these two things are not the same
October 5, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: So you’re upset they didn’t spend eight and a half more years working on the vaccine before authorization? so the trump administration pushed through a vaccine that wasn't ready yet? operation warp speed was a huge, dangerous mistake?
October 5, 20215 yr 6 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Yeah I should have avoid that flu. Next time I'll duck, or dodge and roll to the left. When I say trying way to hard, these are the things I'm talking about. We get it - people get the flu. It's understandable. All I'm saying is that if you'd been triple masking like a good little ishlib, you probably wouldn't have gotten sick. Just know that Tony Fauci is highly disappointed in you.
October 5, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, mikemack8 said: I'm no anti vaxxer, but these two things are not the same Dude, if you know the science behind vaccines - mRNA or otherwise - you would know that the risk of long term side effects is effectively zero. Any side effects from vaccinations quickly surface. It would be like asking "what are the long term side effects of catching a cold when I was 6 years old?"
October 5, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, mr_hunt said: so the trump administration pushed through a vaccine that wasn't ready yet? operation warp speed was a huge, dangerous mistake? Warp speed is how fast Kz’s head is going to spin when he realizes this.
October 5, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: yeah here's the difference: billions of people have received the mRNA virus over the last 10 mos. here's a complete list of long term side effects reported: Any long term side effects from the booster? How about the third booster? Fourth? How long do any of them actually last? These are questions I'd like answered before I sign up for my lifetime subscription to Pfizer for my twice yearly Covid shots. You can disagree with that decision and call me names for it, if you'd like, but I'm pretty comfortable with my decision. And who knows, I may go ahead and get the jab if there's a bad outbreak in my area. I may have to for my job anyway.
October 5, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: It's clear you have no idea how vaccines work, let along mRNA vaccines. Going back at least to the polio vaccine, there have been zero long-term side effects associated with vaccinations. mRNA is incredibly fragile, which is why despite the fact that they've been studies since the early 90s they have only just recently become viable for use in this setting. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines both break down incredibly quickly, and last only long enough to help train the body to produce antibodies that will attack COVID. The vaccine literally does not exist in the body for long enough for there to be any long term side effects. It does not manipulate DNA , It does not do anything other than train the immune system. This is what vaccines do: they are catalysts for increased natural defenses against maladies. If you always want to fall back to this "well we just don't know!!" nonsense then it's clear you're not following science, you've got a conclusion and you're selecting information and reports - no matter how questionable the source (OAN and Project Veritas ) - that fit that. Then claiming any other reporting is the actually biased reports. You're a fraud. A moron. At best you're a bad troll. Dude - you're not scoring points with the insults. We all hope you are correct. Nobody wants long term side effects lingering in billions of people. But we don't know yet. You are not an expert on these vaccines nor am I.
October 5, 20215 yr At some point, my sympathy for people like procus will begin waning. I initially tried in earnest to help people like him understand the risks they are exposing themselves to because of their political loyalty but it has fallen on deaf ears. I recall back to a time when Iron Eagle said he would pack up his things and uproot his family to another country if Clinton beat Trump. He was serious, and I understood that. I tried to tell him how dangerous his level of fanaticism was to himself and others but it was pointless. I had interacted with him on the EMB for almost two decades. He was a good guy that let an unchecked illness take over his soul and all that was left was a rotting shell of what he once was. I see this same pattern in people like zuke, pffb, and others. The real virus infected them a long time ago and unfortunately their immune system was never up to the task.
October 5, 20215 yr 5 minutes ago, Lloyd said: See, here's the thing. It's fine to have an opinion on politics. It's weird and cultish when those political opinions are dictating your thoughts on medicine. Is there a conservative POV on Tylenol? I don't know how to explain this to you, but your thoughts on lockdowns, govt handouts, and small businesses can (and should) be separate from your thoughts on the efficacy of medicine. Go read up on Uttar Pradesh in India and get back to me. When hospitals and pharmacies start withholding treatments prescribed by doctors that are low cost and low profit for Big Pharm but could be life saving, that's a big problem.
October 5, 20215 yr You know what's very likely to have long-term side effects? Catching a disease that attacks the pulmonary system in such a way that hospitalization is common. Far more common than even short term side effects of a well tested vaccine. But continue to bathe in ignorance. I have better things to do with my time, need to pay taxes to support the dimwits in this thread.
October 5, 20215 yr 9 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: We get it - people get the flu. It's understandable. All I'm saying is that if you'd been triple masking like a good little ishlib, you probably wouldn't have gotten sick. Just know that Tony Fauci is highly disappointed in you. A year and a half later, and not only do you still not know why or how masks help, but you willfully display your ignorance every chance you get.
October 5, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: At some point, my sympathy for people like procus will begin waning. I initially tried in earnest to help people like him understand the risks they are exposing themselves to because of their political loyalty but it has fallen on deaf ears. I recall back to a time when Iron Eagle said he would pack up his things and uproot his family to another country if Clinton beat Trump. He was serious, and I understood that. I tried to tell him how dangerous his level of fanaticism was to himself and others but it was pointless. I had interacted with him on the EMB for almost two decades. He was a good guy that let an unchecked illness take over his soul and all that was left was a rotting shell of what he once was. I see this same pattern in people like zuke, pffb, and others. The real virus infected them a long time ago and unfortunately their immune system was never up to the task. You don't get it. The problem is not the vax per se. The problem is the way the entire reaction to this virus is being rolled out. If you don't see how our world has been turned upside down by all of this - upside down primarily due to government reaction - you are blind.
October 5, 20215 yr 3 minutes ago, Procus said: Dude - you're not scoring points with the insults. We all hope you are correct. Nobody wants long term side effects lingering in billions of people. But we don't know yet. You are not an expert on these vaccines nor am I. That hasn't stopped you from spreading misinformation about the vaccines. Nor has it resulted in you listening to the vast majority of experts, instead focusing your attention on a small minority of "medical health professionals" (quacks) who support your pre-existing biases. Again:
October 5, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: At some point, my sympathy for people like procus will begin waning. I initially tried in earnest to help people like him understand the risks they are exposing themselves to because of their political loyalty but it has fallen on deaf ears. I recall back to a time when Iron Eagle said he would pack up his things and uproot his family to another country if Clinton beat Trump. He was serious, and I understood that. I tried to tell him how dangerous his level of fanaticism was to himself and others but it was pointless. I had interacted with him on the EMB for almost two decades. He was a good guy that let an unchecked illness take over his soul and all that was left was a rotting shell of what he once was. I see this same pattern in people like zuke, pffb, and others. The real virus infected them a long time ago and unfortunately their immune system was never up to the task. Oh wow, your patience with the dude you constantly name-call and berate is waning? What are you going to do to him when it wears out completely? Let me guess, name-call and berate him? That'll show him. This literal shrimp dweeb has such an insanely high opinion of his message board persona. It's effing hilarious.
October 5, 20215 yr 13 minutes ago, Kz! said: Someone definitely didn't try too hard in English class. lmfao, effing moron. That's two more points man. All you do is win!
October 5, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: You don't get it. The problem is not the vax per se. The problem is the way the entire reaction to this virus is being rolled out. If you don't see how our world has been turned upside down by all of this - upside down primarily due to government reaction - you are blind. If you actually read and understood my post, you'd see that I already stated the problem is not the vax or the virus. The problem is much deeper than that.
October 5, 20215 yr 1 minute ago, Boogyman said: A year and a half later, and you not only do you still not know why or how masks help, but you willfully display your ignorance every chance you get. Yeah, masks are such a foreign concept that only big-brains like you can possibly comprehend the science behind them. Basic grammar, nah, that eludes you. The super-complicated science behind masks? Oh yeah, you're all over it.
October 5, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: You know what's very likely to have long-term side effects? Catching a disease that attacks the pulmonary system in such a way that hospitalization is common. Far more common than even short term side effects of a well tested vaccine. But continue to bathe in ignorance. I have better things to do with my time, need to pay taxes to support the dimwits in this thread. No doubt long term effects of Covid are significant. No dispute there. Here's a huge problem John - you watch the TV, read the MSM, the mantra is vax, vax, vax. Okay, fine. Nothing wrong with that per se. But the average Joe is clueless on what to do if he or she gets sick and contracts this - and you can get very ill even if you're vaxxed. And then, you people start ridiculing treatments which have been effective and are low cost. Moronic. None of you people has an answer to what happend in Uttar Pradesh, India. Nobody!!!
October 5, 20215 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: If you actually read and understood my post, you'd see that I already stated the problem is not the vax or the virus. The problem is much deeper than that. I do credit you for being against what is happening in Australia. If you cannot see that we are headed down that path, your eyes are closed.
October 5, 20215 yr Just now, Procus said: No doubt long term effects of Covid are significant. No dispute there. Here's a huge problem John - you watch the TV, read the MSM, the mantra is vax, vax, vax. Okay, fine. Nothing wrong with that per se. But the average Joe is clueless on what to do if he or she gets sick and contracts this - and you can get very ill even if you're vaxxed. And then, you people start ridiculing treatments which have been effective and are low cost. Moronic. None of you people has an answer to what happend in Uttar Pradesh, India. Nobody!!! uhh....call your doctor...because your doctor is a medical professional. i know...mind blowing stuff.
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