3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah.

They need to let those guys go and use the cap space to sign 2-3 mid-range guys to short term deals. Ideally 1-2 years. 3 years max. Gives optionality. Movable contracts, sizeable enough to combine to salary match if the right opportunity hits the trade market. 

Unfortunately i don’t think it matters at this point. If you do that you still aren’t good enough  as a team and likely taking a step back next year. and not sure you get that trade opportunity  to arrive before embiid just falls off a cliff from where he’s at now or injury takes away from what he is.  I tend to think they are just screwed and the poor management over the years has sealed their fate. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Unfortunately i don’t think it matters at this point. If you do that you still aren’t good enough  as a team and likely taking a step back next year. and not sure you get that trade opportunity  to arrive before embiid just falls off a cliff from where he’s at now or injury takes away from what he is.  I tend to think they are just screwed and the poor management over the years has sealed their fate. 

Harris deal needs to bring picks. I dont know how many you can possibly get for him. But at least get 1 first rounder. Its a start.

If Embiid falls off a clif with those mid-range guys still on the roster, then you start offloading them for picks too. At that point, its time to start piling up the assets because thats a full rebuild.

 

I know that 2-3 mid-range guys isnt making them a contender next year. But its the move to make. It puts them in position to be ready in either scenario. Big trade, or rebuild/asset collection.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Harris deal needs to bring picks. I dont know how many you can possibly get for him. But at least get 1 first rounder. Its a start.

If Embiid falls off a clif with those mid-range guys still on the roster, then you start offloading them for picks too. At that point, its time to start piling up the assets because thats a full rebuild.

 

I know that 2-3 mid-range guys isnt making them a contender next year. But it’s the move to make. It puts them in position to be ready in either scenario. Big trade, or rebuild/asset collection.

Jmo i think embiid asks to be traded either way at the end of next year when the sixers once again fail to get out of the second round 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Jmo i think embiid asks to be traded either way at the end of next year when the sixers once again fail to get out of the second round 

Embiid won’t have a ton of value after the end of next year makes it 6 for 7 injured and disappointing playoff runs for him.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Embiid won’t have a ton of value after the end of next year makes it 6 for 7 injured and disappointing playoff runs for him.

Probably not but even if you trade him you likely aren’t getting great value back due to picks of that team likely end of first round and likely not getting a great young player and just role players. So i think they are screwed either way when they trade him 

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Probably not but even if you trade him you likely aren’t getting great value back due to picks of that team likely end of first round and likely not getting a great young player and just role players. So i think they are screwed either way when they trade him 

I keep coming back to the Knicks, they have decent parts and all their picks. The 2024 draft is Anthony Bennett level crap, but 2025 and 2026 drafts should be pretty good. 

Harden is terrible. That’s all.

5 game series 

combined 10/36 from harden/maxey/harris.  I won't blame embiid when he asks to be traded.

I can definitely see embiid getting all depressed again when Harden and Harris leave and requesting a trade. 

 

While NY has been the rumor,  he's not going to win there either. 

At this point in his career he might be smart to go ring chasing.  He's going to be 30 soon and he's not even been close. 

And he's not going to win one as the lead guy.  NY doesn't have an adequate supporting cast. 

He should try to go join LeBron and AD in LA. Or possibly Chicago, Miami, or Dallas.

32 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I can definitely see embiid getting all depressed again when Harden and Harris leave and requesting a trade. 

 

While NY has been the rumor,  he's not going to win there either. 

At this point in his career he might be smart to go ring chasing.  He's going to be 30 soon and he's not even been close. 

And he's not going to win one as the lead guy.  NY doesn't have an adequate supporting cast. 

He should try to go join LeBron and AD in LA. Or possibly Chicago, Miami, or Dallas.

Knicks don't have a supporting cast but then you mention Chicago, who can't make it out of the play in or Dallas who has a star and bunch of bench guys.

Brunson has out played Donovan Mitchell two years in a row now and have quality NBA players on that roster from Grimes, Hart, Quickley and their back up big could start on teams in Hartenstein 

20 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Knicks don't have a supporting cast but then you mention Chicago, who can't make it out of the play in or Dallas who has a star and bunch of bench guys.

Brunson has out played Donovan Mitchell two years in a row now and have quality NBA players on that roster from Grimes, Hart, Quickley and their back up big could start on teams in Hartenstein 

Embiid with DeRozan and LaVine would be good.  Some legit perimeter help. Not inconsistent like our guys.  Better than NY.

 

Dallas would have Doncic, Embiid and Kyrie. Just Doncic and Embiid alone is probably good enough to get through the West. He should prefer west. Easier road through playoffs.  Get away from Boston and Milwaukee.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Embiid with DeRozan and LaVine would be good.  Some legit perimeter help. Not inconsistent like our guys.  Better than NY.

 

Dallas would have Doncic, Embiid and Kyrie. Just Doncic and Embiid alone is probably good enough to get through the West. He should prefer west. Easier road through playoffs.  Get away from Boston and Milwaukee.

Because the spacing at all wouldn't be an issue with Chicago. 

Two of the top 5 in usage rate this year and then add Irving who is a heavy iso guy. That is deemed for success and tell me what assets Dallas even has? Josh Green is their only trade chip.

Milwaukee is running out of time and assets to make moves. Middleton is a FA and 33, they gave away 5 2nds to get  Crowder and still own Pelicans picks for Holiday. They have one young guy in Beauchamp who is a project

East is basically the Celtics at this point. West is still tougher, with a few young teams that will be better next year. 

Dallas is a mess.  Is there anyway we can get Luka and pair him with Embiid? 

We’ve gone full circle

6 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I keep coming back to the Knicks, they have decent parts and all their picks. The 2024 draft is Anthony Bennett level crap, but 2025 and 2026 drafts should be pretty good. 

I tend to think it’s still Miami. I’m guessing he’d want to play with butler and the sixers if he wants to be traded i think they’d work with him to get him to where he wants to go to win a title. Plus Bam and Herro plus picks. Only first miami doesn’t own is 2025 1st. Which if he was dealt after 23-24 seasons probably isn’t very good so I’d want 26 pick swap, 27 first, 28 pick swap and 29 first. 

i also don’t rule out utah with ainge. Been rumors they’ve checked in on luka. They have a bunch of draft capital so if they could somehow get luka and embiid paired i don’t think it’s a stretch. Nothing to do in utah but embiid has basically said he doesn’t really go out here so i don’t think he’s just rule out utah 

Why all this negative talk. We are still winning this series. 🤣

1 minute ago, goeagles5039 said:

Why all this negative talk. We are still winning this series. 🤣

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I tend to think it’s still Miami. I’m guessing he’d want to play with butler and the sixers if he wants to be traded i think they’d work with him to get him to where he wants to go to win a title. Plus Bam and Herro plus picks. Only first miami doesn’t own is 2025 1st. Which if he was dealt after 23-24 seasons probably isn’t very good so I’d want 26 pick swap, 27 first, 28 pick swap and 29 first. 

i also don’t rule out utah with ainge. Been rumors they’ve checked in on luka. They have a bunch of draft capital so if they could somehow get luka and embiid paired i don’t think it’s a stretch. Nothing to do in utah but embiid has basically said he doesn’t really go out here so i don’t think he’s just rule out utah 

I said Bam and Herro a few months ago and no one was excited about it. Bam is a legit defensive player of the year and Herro can create his own shot. KD got two wings and 4 picks and Embiid is the same value. 

14 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I said Bam and Herro a few months ago and no one was excited about it. Bam is a legit defensive player of the year and Herro can create his own shot. KD got two wings and 4 picks and Embiid is the same value. 

I wouldn’t be excited about it because you are not winning a title with those as main guys. Still would need your superstar and likely no. 2 guy. I think bam, Herro and maxey anre nice compliments to that star and his no. 2 sidekick.  and likely with those guys as your main pieces just fighting for a playoff spot. That said i tend to think that’s what Miami would offer as no need for Bam at that point and sixers would want Herro. 

Did they tell harden he can’t play like a broken down star, maxey needs to be better and Harris the deeper we get into the playoffs turns into that Homer Simpson bushes gif/meme 

 

Best thing they can do is trade Embiid while he has a decent amount of value, hopefully shorten the rebuild 

11 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

Best thing they can do is trade Embiid while he has a decent amount of value, hopefully shorten the rebuild 

Process +

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wouldn’t be excited about it because you are not winning a title with those as main guys. Still would need your superstar and likely no. 2 guy. I think bam, Herro and maxey anre nice compliments to that star and his no. 2 sidekick.  and likely with those guys as your main pieces just fighting for a playoff spot. That said i tend to think that’s what Miami would offer as no need for Bam at that point and sixers would want Herro. 

Think Morey also needs to be fired. I wouldn't trust him for a rebuild 

26 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Think Morey also needs to be fired. I wouldn't trust him for a rebuild 

If you are doing a rebuild he definitely needs to be. Also need to fire doc at that point cause he’s not a rebuild coach.