Just now, Gannan said:

Sounds to me like we can get Harden for next to nothing if we wait until the off season. I'm not giving up much more than Ben at this point. 

yep

My gut tells me that ultimately it will end up being Simmons, Thybulle, Curry, and picks. There’s no way Morey can include Drummond with no other legit backup center on the roster. Only possibility of shipping Drummond is if he’s also got a deal to move Tobi and get a Drummond replacement through that trade. 

Just now, nipples said:

My gut tells me that ultimately it will end up being Simmons, Thybulle, Curry, and picks. There’s no way Morey can include Drummond with no other legit backup center on the roster. Only possibility of shipping Drummond is if he’s also got a deal to move Tobi and get a Drummond replacement through that trade. 

Bobi!!!

Just now, nipples said:

My gut tells me that ultimately it will end up being Simmons, Thybulle, Curry, and picks. 

Too much. Harden will be a Sixer at the start of next season one way or another. When Butler forced his way into Miami we only got Josh Richardson in return. Brooklyn has no bargaining power in the off season. None. 

7 minutes ago, rambo said:

Yeah.  They'd do an offseason dump to OKC or some other team with space.  No rush if they're not getting Harden.

Is their cap still clean in the offseason?  I know SGA signed a large extension.  I'm not sure if even that is enough to put them over but there may also be some dead money from the large contracts they took on and moved before.  

1 minute ago, nipples said:

My gut tells me that ultimately it will end up being Simmons, Thybulle, Curry, and picks. There’s no way Morey can include Drummond with no other legit backup center on the roster. Only possibility of shipping Drummond is if he’s also got a deal to move Tobi and get a Drummond replacement through that trade. 

Except, then theres no one to start at the 4 other than Niang. And who backs him up?

 

You need to be able to trade Harris for someone like Grant or Myles Tuener, and sign Thompson on a buyout to have your starting 4, and backup 5 replaced. 

17 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

dumass says....

 

[Dumas] This likely comes down to the 3p deadline. Sixers hopeful for a package of James Harden, Patty Mills, and Bruce Brown. Nets are hopeful for a package of Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Matisse Thybulle, and Andre Drummond.

Too much. 

Just now, Gannan said:

Too much. Harden will be a Sixer at the start of next season one way or another. When Butler forced his way into Miami we only got Josh Richardson in return. Brooklyn has no bargaining power in the off season. None. 

I’m not saying it isn’t too much, I’m saying what I think will happen. Harden is Morey’s man crush. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Except, then theres no one to start at the 4 other than Niang. And who backs him up?

 

You need to be able to trade Harris for someone like Grant or Myles Tuener, and sign Thompson on a buyout to have your starting 4, and backup 5 replaced. 

That’s Morey’s job to figure out. He’s supposed to be some kind of rockstar GM right? 🙄 

12 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

If we are giving up Drummond, we need to get Aldridge back.

i guess. 

i like regular season drummond but he seems like a guy other teams would target in the playoffs....either drawing him out of the paint on defense or fouling him on purpose on offense. if they can find anyone halfway decent on a buyout or trade, i wouldn't let drummond be the reason to decline a harden trade. 

2 minutes ago, Shepard Wong said:

Is their cap still clean in the offseason.  I know SGA signed a large extension.  I'm not sure if even that is enough to put them over but there may also be some dead money from the large contracts they took on and moved before.  

They could have up to 51 million next season.

Just now, nipples said:

I’m not saying it isn’t too much, I’m saying what I think will happen. Harden is Morey’s man crush. 

I don't think Morey is a fool and we know he's patient. Morey will get him in the offseason and he knows it. At this rate we might be able to get Harden in the offseason for pennies on the dollar and trade Ben somewhere else. 

1 minute ago, nipples said:

That’s Morey’s job to figure out. He’s supposed to be some kind of rockstar GM right? 🙄 

yeah but hes not. all he has ever done is trade for Harden. 

1 minute ago, rambo said:

They could have up to 51 million next season.

Nice. 

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

I don't think Morey is a fool and we know he's patient. Morey will get him in the offseason and he knows it. At this rate we might be able to get Harden in the offseason for pennies on the dollar and trade Ben somewhere else. 

And if Embiid starts to decline next year due to injuries or just general wear and tear on his body? Bottom line is Jo is playing at a ridiculous level this year, and wasting that would be incredibly stupid. Especially important when you consider his history and just the overall history of men his size in the NBA. They don’t typically have long productive careers.

I wouldn’t give up the farm for Harden, but Morey already Fed up by passing on very fair trades that would have been better than the Harden deal would be. He needs to get this done and at a reasonable price or this whole thing will be a big fail. 

3 minutes ago, Gannan said:

I don't think Morey is a fool and we know he's patient. Morey will get him in the offseason and he knows it. At this rate we might be able to get Harden in the offseason for pennies on the dollar and trade Ben somewhere else. 

I think the only issue is that once we sign him in the offseason, a tampering investigation will start.

And if Morey doesnt negotiate a somewhat fair trade, a tampering negotiation will start.

Thats the Nets leverage. Sort of blackmail- we will trade him but it has to be decent value. If you dont want to give anything up, or just sign him in the summer we have all this evidence of tampering.

 

And, yes Morey is patient. But he is also a fool. Ben created a sort of mess, but Morey has exacerbate it x10.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah but hes not. all he has ever done is trade for Harden. 

I know he’s not. But he needs to find a way. 

I wonder what it would cost to trade for Nurkic from the Trailblazers?  I know he's on an expiring contract.  Maybe they can get him as a cheap rental for the rest of the year. 

 

4 minutes ago, Shepard Wong said:

I wonder what it would cost to trade for Nurkic from the Trailblazers?  I know he's on an expiring contract.  Maybe they can get him as a cheap rental for the rest of the year. 

Great thought!

7 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Great thought!

Olynyk would be a nice fit too, probably better because he can give you minutes as the back up 5 plus he could play at the 4 next to Embiid because of his shooting.

15 minutes ago, Shepard Wong said:

I wonder what it would cost to trade for Nurkic from the Trailblazers?  I know he's on an expiring contract.  Maybe they can get him as a cheap rental for the rest of the year. 

Money works for Danny Green. Also keeping in mind Portlands goal to shed salary, Danny Green's entire salary next year is non-guaranteed. 

Woj is now hedging...interesting. Yesterday it was no talks, everyone is talking BS. Today it's they are going to talk and Harden wants out.

Windy 1, Woj 0

nurk is a legit, starting caliber center on an expiring deal...idk if portland would want to move him. 

They could sign him back in the off-season.  Give them a pick to borrow him for a few months.