Screamin A on Mike right now and Charles coming up in a bit.  Both there to argue that the Nets won the trade.  Even if Ben's role is now a lot more reduced, is he miraculously no longer a master turtle'er?  Is Kyrie no longer the freaking weirdo he is?  Yeah, if they are all there mentally and physically, they are still better than us.  Those are a lot of ifs...

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think Harden eventually is going to opt in to that contract. It’s $47 mil And then ask for a four year max extension. It will be $270 million which is more than what he’s ever gotten over a five-year period and his entire career earnings. If you don’t give him that Max after he opts in then you’re likely dealing with what the Nets had too and the Rockets had too. I also find it harder some team at 33 gives him the max so at the deadline I’m doubting you’d get a good return. Plus i don’t see morey making this deal unless he knew harden was here past this year. I think Harris is more likely deal especially as i think morey was trying too this season 

 

There is very little time to see if he and Joel get along together, and play well on the court. Thats a scary looking contract for an old guy who has already declined in fitness and ability. 

He can be looking like a train wreck by year 1 or 2 of that deal and we are going to be stuck. No one will trade for that contract. 

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

27th pick this year and something years from now don't matter nor does Curry. A backup center on a one year deal wouldn't matter either if they had someone else to take minutes from Embiid. I think they could have done it for a bit less but the deal got done.

Now, if Simmons has been working on FT and 3s the past 4 months just to prove people wrong...then sure the Nets won. He hasn't shown anything to make us believe that is possible, but he was cured of his mental health issues overnight, so we'll see.

This doesn't mean it was the right deal but I don't think they lost.

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

Screamin A on Mike right now and Charles coming up in a bit.  Both there to argue that the Nets won the trade.  Even if Ben's role is now a lot more reduced, is he miraculously no longer a master turtle'er?  Is Kyrie no longer the freaking weirdo he is?  Yeah, if they are all there mentally and physically, they are still better than us.  Those are a lot of ifs...

The thing that’s even more irritating with Kyrie Irving than anything is he took himself out of two title contending teams because of his attitude in Cleveland and Boston. On top of it even since his days at Duke he’s missed games. In 11 NBA seasons, he’s only played in 75% of the games five times. He’s only played in 60 games or more in five of those 11 seasons. It is not just him getting his vaccine, he’s perpetually hurt every other year of his career. Heck at Duke he missed the majority of his only season there. 

I think Kyrie Irving is super talented. He is definitely a star type player but I think he is also overrated. I thought when Kevin Durant went to the Nets he should’ve tried to get a different Star than Kyrie because he’s unreliable 

That said, the best thing that could possibly happened to the Nets is that mandate gets lifted down the road before the playoffs so that doesn’t have the wear and tear he usually does in a season. so he might actually finish the playoffs without getting hurt.

17 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

[Lauren Rosen] Tyrese Maxey on playing with James Harden and Joel Embiid together: "It’s 2 MVP-caliber players, on top of what we have here already. I think one thing that’s really going to help us - the chemistry, and the brotherhood that we have here... It’s going to be great. I can’t wait."

This is one thing that I don't think Ben thought about. This team bent over backwards to coddle him, he's not going to get that with a Durant led team.  Durant couldn't care less about getting along.  Hell, he had a "family" type atmosphere in Golden State and could have stayed there and won many more rings, but bolted, because he wants to be the big dog.  This is going to be Ben the first time that Durant shows his true colors

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

27th pick this year and something years from now don't matter nor does Curry. A backup center on a one year deal wouldn't matter either if they had someone else to take minutes from Embiid. Now, if Simmons has been working on FT and 3s the past 4 months just to prove people wrong...then sure the Nets won. He hasn't shown anything to make us believe that is possible, but he was cured of his mental health issues overnight, so we'll see.

The national media so badly wants the Nets to be relevant. 

There are more Nets' fans at ESPN and FS1 than in Brooklyn.

Is Ben playing for them tonight?  I hope he does.  It will make him look so bad.  The more crap he has to deal with, the weaker he will become, if that is even possible.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

There is very little time to see if he and Joel get along together, and play well on the court. Thats a scary looking contract for an old guy who has already declined in fitness and ability. 

He can be looking like a train wreck by year 1 or 2 of that deal and we are going to be stuck. No one will trade for that contract. 

I have been of the thought you’re going to get 3 and praying to the basketball gods maybe four good years left of James Harden. My thought has always been they’re going to give him that contract anyways cause I see morey doing that. The last two years of that contract it might not be very pretty and likely stuck in it until it becomes an expiring contract or hope someone pulls another westbrook type trade. 

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

This is one thing that I don't think Ben thought about. This team bent over backwards to coddle him, he's not going to get that with a Durant led team.  Durant couldn't care less about getting along.  Hell, he had a "family" type atmosphere in Golden State and could have stayed there and won many more rings, but bolted, because he wants to be the big dog.  This is going to be Ben the first time that Durant shows his true colors

The problem is Durant is also a mental weakling. Remember the shoes he released with all the slights on the soles? He couldn't handle being called out for joining GS. 

Durant is an unreal talent. But he's not Michael. He's not LeBron. He's not Larry or Magic. He can't lead a team and elevate those around him. He never has.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

27th pick this year and something years from now don't matter nor does Curry. A backup center on a one year deal wouldn't matter either if they had someone else to take minutes from Embiid. I think they could have done it for a bit less but the deal got done.

Now, if Simmons has been working on FT and 3s the past 4 months just to prove people wrong...then sure the Nets won. He hasn't shown anything to make us believe that is possible, but he was cured of his mental health issues overnight, so we'll see.

This doesn't mean it was the right deal but I don't think they lost.

He very well could’ve been working on it this entire time but when it comes into a critical moment down the stretch of a important game that’s completely different than him practicing it. We heard for years in practice that he makes it much more than he was in games. That’s a mental block as much as it is just practicing it 

Suns and Pacers discussed Ayton for Sabonis.

Ayton is going to be a restricted free agent. Are the Suns going to be cheap and not want to max him?

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I have been of the thought you’re going to get 3 and praying to the basketball gods maybe four good years left of James Harden. My thought has always been they’re going to give him that contract anyways cause I see morey doing that. The last two years of that contract it might not be very pretty and likely stuck in it until it becomes an expiring contract or hope someone pulls another westbrook type trade. 

let's be honest....that probably matches up with embiid's window as well...even though he's younger. this was definitely an "all in" move to get a ring while jojo is in his prime. maybe it will work...maybe it won't.  after that, it's full rebuild time anyway. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Suns and Pacers discussed Ayton for Sabonis.

Ayton is going to be a restricted free agent. Are the Suns going to be cheap and not want to max him?

Sarver is always cheap

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Suns and Pacers discussed Ayton for Sabonis.

Ayton is going to be a restricted free agent. Are the Suns going to be cheap and not want to max him?

I said this yesterday (cause i had a Arizona coach who worked for Phoenix last year explain to me) the worst case scenario for the suns is they match a offer sheet and look to deal ayton down the road or Qualify offer him and then look to deal him. Ayton is only 23 years old and even if they go to trade him a year or two from now he’s going to be a better player at that point in time. they’re still gonna be able to get better value than what they’re gonna let him just walk away on a RFA offer sheet. 

I don’t disagree that they would try to trade him (hence sabonis deal) because they are cheap and don’t believe he is a max money player. they’re not gonna just let him walk away they’ll deal him. I also know Paul loves him and so do the suns coaches. They love his defense and what he eventually can become offensively over the next couple years. 

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Sarver is always cheap

Don’t disagree. He’s always been. However Chris Paul loves ayton. And i thought the suns would have more issues and cheapness trying to extend Paul at his age last year but they did it. I think the Suns would trade Ayton if they got a comparable player back on a good contract (sabonis who they likely thought could be signed for less and as talented a player as ayton) or a better player that they believe is a max contract. This is gonna come down to the fact the suns aren’t gonna let him just walk away to a RFA offer sheet. They’ll deal him somewhere in a sign and trade type move before they let that happen. 

the suns know with Chris Paul’s age the window is right now. They aren’t going to let a major trade chip just walk in a RFA offer sheet. They’ll use the trade chip 

from the nets message board Ben thread:

 

I had a vision that Ben used this time off to start shooting right handed and we're getting him as a 40% high volume 3pt shooter.

It’s Stephen a. so who knows 

These national guys are on drugs. Barkley is saying Seth Curry is better than Harden. 

Barkley saying that Joel and Harden have to figure out how to play together.  And that James is going to have to get use to giving up the ball since Joel is the dominant scorer.  Did anyone complain about that when he was playing with Durant?

Durant eat, sleeps, and breathes basketball.  He doesn't have a family yet because he wants no distractions.  Ben will fit in well 😂

i wonder if we're going to dislike tobi less now that he'll be the 3rd or 4th scoring option?  

 

 

hmm....probably not. 

 

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

If that's the case,  you got the Nets to take Ben's salary for Curry (maybe not interested in resigning him either), Drummond ( a vet min playet) and 2 1sts.

At worst it's a cap clearing deal. Can trade Harris in the summer and should have max space available. 

Oh, there’s definitely still upside here, with getting Simmons off the books being tops of that list.

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

i wonder if we're going to dislike tobi less now that he'll be the 3rd or 4th scoring option?  

 

 

hmm....probably not. 

No. Because people really hate is contract and as a 3rd or 4th option hes even more overpaid even if he plays more efficiently. 

He doesnt suck. People just say he does because he doesnt play as well as they think a near max contract player should.

My hope is that Harris can be what Kevin Love was on that Cavs championship team. 3rd option, solid 20 and 10 guy.