12 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

If they end up getting a 2nd back in a trade for Hurts, it would be a stellar pick.  Basically you are getting a serviceable backup QB on a rookie deal for 4 years with zero draft capital invested.  No way could you ever get that type of value in a trade or on the free agent market. And if Hurts comes in and wins a few games in the process (If Wentz gets hurt) that would be the cherry on top. 

Or they just continue to roll with Sudfeld or a vet bacup and use the 2nd on a player with starting potential.  The Jags got MInshew in what the 6th round last year?  I think Anthony Gordon is a better prospect than him and he went undrafted.  

Getting a 2nd round pick in no way makes it a stellar pick.  The ONLY way it's a stellar pick is if Carson Wentz gets hurt and Hurts comes in and lights the world on fire.  Then the eagles have the dilemma of rolling with Hurts as the future or banking on Wentz coming back healthy...again.  In this scenario, they decide Wentz is damaged goods, they trade him for a high pick and commit to Hurts as the future QB of the Eagles.  They then have 3 more years of a rookie quarterback deal which allows them to spend in other areas.  You bring in JuJu to play along Reagor.  You sign an up and coming center and a young DE. 

 

Footnote, the above scenario is not what I want to happen at all. It's just one way that you can justify the pick being successful.  I want Carson Wentz as this teams quarterback and leader for the next 7-10 years. 

7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Off topic i have never appreciated a haircut more than now

Another couple of months and I will be borrowing the wife’s ponytail ties. 

28 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Off topic i have never appreciated a haircut more than now

Just shave it off. It feels great and most guys are able to pull it off and not look completely awkward. 

53 minutes ago, devpool said:

I really liked the reagor pick, didn't like the hurts pick, and liked wallace. If reagor/Wallace become high level starters and we can get solid contributions from Taylor and at least one of the late round picks it will have been a good draft that will always be marred by the hurts pick, unless hurts pulls a Foles and wins a championship. But I don't see that happening or ever getting more than a 2nd back in a trade.

If Hurts is a good backup for 3 years and then they get a 2nd back via trade, that's not half bad.  Stellar?  No.  We need to raise the bar for what we call a stellar pick around here.  

I just think it's very unlikely he gets traded for a 2nd round pick in 3 years.  

A backup QB needs to play for extended snaps in order to be traded for a 2 or better.  Feeley, Kolb, Garoppolo, Cassel.

Favre was traded after 1 year as Atlanta's backup despite not playing, but he was a vastly superior talent and was picked up by a team that wanted to draft him in round 1 the year before.  

What I'm getting at is that we've set up a tough situation.  Either Wentz stays healthy and Hurts doesn't play and has no trade value late in his contract...or Hurts does play extended snaps and builds his trade value.  If that happens, we are probably looking at a transition from Wentz to Hurts anyway.  And that's a whole different can of worms.

 

13 hours ago, Shocker54 said:

I hads a thought today. When they be eventually going to Hurt...would you bring back Chip Kelly to run some RPO spread zone read you know

I hope you're joking

This is one of the most retarded things i've ever heard

This team should've won multiple Super Bowls without that Clown Kelly.  

 

59 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

If they end up getting a 2nd back in a trade for Hurts, it would be a stellar pick.  Basically you are getting a serviceable backup QB on a rookie deal for 4 years with zero draft capital invested.  No way could you ever get that type of value in a trade or on the free agent market. And if Hurts comes in and wins a few games in the process (If Wentz gets hurt) that would be the cherry on top. 

Completely disagree. You just get back what you spent and in the mean time you also didn't pick a player of need. Now if you get back a first then barely maybe

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just shave it off. It feels great and most guys are able to pull it off and not look completely awkward. 

Yup

Let’s talk about Hurts.  I was on record against him as a third rounder because he seems to be a one read and throw guy.  (And that was in the third).   I did firmly believe the Eagles needed a QB in this draft.  That said, I think the Hurts pick and what they did with Foles and, to some degree, McCown is informative.   When Carson was out at the beginning of 2018 and Foley’s was playing in the Carson offense, he didn’t look very good.  Nick seems to need the RPO to best read the defense.  McCown couldn’t play like Carson.  He just didn’t have the arm anymore.  Now Carson had to adjust this season as his starting WRs went out.  It was obvious some movement helps him.  Some of the best throws he had last season weren’t from the pocket.    I think we will see some modifications in the Carson offense to see more movement.  
So who might fit better in a relief role?   Nothing excites me about Sudfeld.  Hurts can throw a good long and intermediate ball, so he shares that with Carson.  I have to believe the draft this year targeted WRs that excel in those routes.  Hurts is a zone read and run guy.  McCown needed to run against Seattle and couldn’t.   I believe Hurts can.  He is not Lamar Jackson.  Doesn’t need to be.  They won’t be installing the Ravens offense.  He might do better in a simpler version of the Carson offense with some tweaks though.  TEW had it right.  A backup QB that wins a few games may be more valuable to the Eagles in terms of wins that other players available in the second at 53.  

Off topic... 

The fact that there’s serious talks of sports returning is bittersweet to me. 
 

Yeah I miss sports but all the talk is about owner and player sacrifice. Who gets what, who’s at risk, who needs to sacrifice a couple million here there, etc. Yes, someone will have to give but ultimately everyone will still be wealthy. 
 

What’s not being talked about. Are the ticket sales associates, the corporate partnership leaders, the marketing managers, the people who work the concession stands, the ushers... THOSE PEOPLE are the one’s getting screwed out of all this. The people who work 70 hours a week in season for 40k a year. Or the people who work a second job in the stadium for extra income to send their kid to school. Those are the individuals that are screwed. 
 

Nothing at all against people who are sick and have lost loved one’s to the disease but to me, this pandemic has shown me how little empathy and respect the average working class citizen gets. 

In this NFL if if if Hurts is getting a 2nd or a 1st in a trade, then he is considered a starting QB.  If that is the case then we know at the very least Carson has missed games and Hurts has come in to play and played out of his mind.  So well that the team has to make a decision between him and Wentz and they choose to keep Wentz.  Foles won the SB and couldn't get a 1st in return.  A lot of its have to turn into reality for the Hurts pick to be pay dividends.  However, he is now an Eagle, everything else is spilled milk, and I hope he exceeds all expectations and we have to dine on Crow until we are swimming with the fishes.

 

9 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Off topic... 

The fact that there’s serious talks of sports returning is bittersweet to me. 
 

Yeah I miss sports but all the talk is about owner and player sacrifice. Who gets what, who’s at risk, who needs to sacrifice a couple million here there, etc. Yes, someone will have to give but ultimately everyone will still be wealthy. 
 

What’s not being talked about. Are the ticket sales associates, the corporate partnership leaders, the marketing managers, the people who work the concession stands, the ushers... THOSE PEOPLE are the one’s getting screwed out of all this. The people who work 70 hours a week in season for 40k a year. Or the people who work a second job in the stadium for extra income to send their kid to school. Those are the individuals that are screwed. 
 

Nothing at all against people who are sick and have lost loved one’s to the disease but to me, this pandemic has shown me how little empathy and respect the average working class citizen gets. 

Man, I'm shocked its taken a pandemic for you to come to this realization, but glad you see the light.   

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

 Such a dumb pick. With all their needs you don't waste a 2nd on gambling you can spin it into a first. You don't draft a QB with a young one on the roster with a hundred million contract. 

Sure. But they didn’t. 

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Let’s talk about Hurts.  I was on record against him as a third rounder because he seems to be a one read and throw guy.  (And that was in the third).   I did firmly believe the Eagles needed a QB in this draft.  That said, I think the Hurts pick and what they did with Foles and, to some degree, McCown is informative.   When Carson was out at the beginning of 2018 and Foley’s was playing in the Carson offense, he didn’t look very good.  Nick seems to need the RPO to best read the defense.  McCown couldn’t play like Carson.  He just didn’t have the arm anymore.  Now Carson had to adjust this season as his starting WRs went out.  It was obvious some movement helps him.  Some of the best throws he had last season weren’t from the pocket.    I think we will see some modifications in the Carson offense to see more movement.  
So who might fit better in a relief role?   Nothing excites me about Sudfeld.  Hurts can throw a good long and intermediate ball, so he shares that with Carson.  I have to believe the draft this year targeted WRs that excel in those routes.  Hurts is a zone read and run guy.  McCown needed to run against Seattle and couldn’t.   I believe Hurts can.  He is not Lamar Jackson.  Doesn’t need to be.  They won’t be installing the Ravens offense.  He might do better in a simpler version of the Carson offense with some tweaks though.  TEW had it right.  A backup QB that wins a few games may be more valuable to the Eagles in terms of wins that other players available in the second at 53.  

I think Hurts, once he learns the ropes, will be far better in relief than Sudfeld.

JMO, but you build a franchise around a pocket passer.  That's a skill set that doesn't deteriorate for 15 years if you find the right guy.  When your starter goes down mid-game, you could have the best backup QB in the NFL, the odds are stacked against them having much success.  For IN GAME relief, a highly mobile 1 read QB is your best shot to move the football.  It forces the defense to make as many in-game adjustments as you are.  

4 hours ago, Green Dog said:

Why would anyone look to a comedien for Policy advice? 

No, I'm talking about the very real possibility of what's going to happen when one of the 2-3 leagues that attempt to start up between now and September have to immediately shut down again because of infection and the effect it will have on the other sports and leagues. 

What he says about the numbers involved for a single game without fans is right.  The way this virus spreads, unless everyone involved is under strict quarantine, week after week in every single city, it's not going to work. 

That's just reality unless something major happens very quickly.

So, despite saying that that no one would look to a comedian for policy advice, that's exactly what you ended up doing. 

43 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just shave it off. It feels great and most guys are able to pull it off and not look completely awkward. 

summer cut 💯

Let’s talk Davion Taylor.  Used a lot in zone coverage at Colorado.  He is not bad in coverage.  Seems to have decent instincts but does look a bit raw.   Like many outside LBs, especially lighter ones, he tends to get engulfed by Ts and TEs on blocks and can be led the wrong direction.   That can be taught and pro strengthening will help.  Tackles well and with form. Doesn’t give up on plays and his speed shows. Kind of like a mixture of Jenkins and KGH at this point.   Seems like the anti-Douglas pick of the draft. 

15 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

In this NFL if if if Hurts is getting a 2nd or a 1st in a trade, then he is considered a starting QB.  If that is the case then we know at the very least Carson has missed games and Hurts has come in to play and played out of his mind.  So well that the team has to make a decision between him and Wentz and they choose to keep Wentz.  Foles won the SB and couldn't get a 1st in return.  A lot of its have to turn into reality for the Hurts pick to be pay dividends.  However, he is now an Eagle, everything else is spilled milk, and I hope he exceeds all expectations and we have to dine on Crow until we are swimming with the fishes.

Foles wasn't tradeable after 2017 because Wentz wasn't going to be ready to start 2018.  After 2018 Foles opted out of his contract and became a UFA.  The only trade window for Foles was at the trade deadline in 2018, and no one was going to give up serious draft capital for a rental QB.  Everyone knew the Eagles couldn't/wouldn't be able to resign him.

Hurts would be a tradeable asset either after year 2 or during year 3 of his rookie deal.  If he shows himself to be somewhat dynamic with the ball in his hands, as he did with Oklahoma, there will be a market for him.  Doubtful it would be any more than a 2nd round pick -- but that's not the primary reason Pederson drafted him.  He's here to add more athleticism to the offense and win games in Wentz's absence if needed.

 

I have been pretty busy so I'm sorry i am just getting to this, but if he this kid can figure out how to play football...watch out. Some guys kill the combine but their athleticism does not pop on tape, and then you have kids like this. Wow! having visions of Darryl Green with those run downs, and we are talking about a linebacker. We may need to wait a few years on him, but i dont see any reason he cant be a special teams ace immediately

4:26 btw ^^

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Off topic i have never appreciated a haircut more than now

Since I shave my head I do not feel your pain. My wife does, however, and bemoans the lack of manicure and pedicure even more.

13 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

 

I have been pretty busy so I'm sorry i am just getting to this, but if he this kid can figure out how to play football...watch out. Some guys kill the combine but their athleticism does not pop on tape, and then you have kids like this. Wow! having visions of Darryl Green with those run downs, and we are talking about a linebacker. We may need to wait a few years on him, but i dont see any reason he cant be a special teams ace immediately

Pretty much what I saw watching some,of,his games.  

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You don’t draft someone in the 3rd round who needs to "figure out how to play football”.  Not with the holes this team had/has.  
 

ST ace. Ok.  

103 is barely in the third round. Who would you have taken at that point?

22 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nope.  Wrong again.  Pessimism is not the same as Realism.  Just do some google searches and see what some of the independent opinions are on the Eagles draft.  Certainly not many A- .   Just because someone isn’t 125% rose colored glasses with everything Eagles, doesn’t make them a pessimist.  I really don’t put a grade on a draft. I look at it from market perspective, based on needs.  Did we need a WR?  Yes.  Did we need to force one at 21 when there was a ton left on the board for later rounds?  No.  Was there value for Hurts in round 2?  Maybe for some other teams. Certainly not the Eagles.  We had many other Needs.  Is Taylor a value pick in the 3rd?  Definitely not.  Those 3 picks right there allows me to give a more realistic opinion on the draft.  Just my opinion.  Not pessimism.  Realism.  Only on the EMB would you see a A-   

If it's just your opinion, it's comical to classify it as realism.  It would be more accurate to create a new word and call it "believism". 

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Instead of BPA.  Howie went FPA (fastest player available).  I know we needed speed.  But if that didn’t work for the Raiders forever......then..

The Raiders only looked at 40 times.  Reagor ran a 4.47 and basically had a bad combine.  That alone is a big difference.  They tried to go after game speed.

57 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Off topic... 

The fact that there’s serious talks of sports returning is bittersweet to me. 
 

Yeah I miss sports but all the talk is about owner and player sacrifice. Who gets what, who’s at risk, who needs to sacrifice a couple million here there, etc. Yes, someone will have to give but ultimately everyone will still be wealthy. 
 

What’s not being talked about. Are the ticket sales associates, the corporate partnership leaders, the marketing managers, the people who work the concession stands, the ushers... THOSE PEOPLE are the one’s getting screwed out of all this. The people who work 70 hours a week in season for 40k a year. Or the people who work a second job in the stadium for extra income to send their kid to school. Those are the individuals that are screwed. 
 

Nothing at all against people who are sick and have lost loved one’s to the disease but to me, this pandemic has shown me how little empathy and respect the average working class citizen gets. 

Didn't you hear Cuomo?  If you want to work just get an essential job, it's THAT easy.  🙄