Bet money on Tompa Bay winning the South, the Saints are legit imploding.

32 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Take the political and racial bickering to CVON.  There’s plenty there.    

yeah were talking about cooking and civil war and other important stuff in here that has nothing to do with football or the eagles😉

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

When the roles are reversed and someone says or does something deemed to be racist even if it was never meant to or never should have been taken that way, the perp is expected to issue an apology and often has their livelihood ruined. Just because someone said they are insulted. And again, the perp is expected to apologize. And often has to.

So in the case of Kaepernick its extremely hypocritical for him to have done this. Millions of people are insulted because they took it as an attack on the military, flag, and country. And he never apologized for having potentially, even unintentionally hurting anyone. Nor have any of his supporters ever admitted that maybe he should. Or even that maybe he did insult anyone. All you kneelers or kneel supporters have ever done was pretend that its not true that he insulted anyone, and state it was never about the flag or military even though millions will always say that they felt it that way.

Hypocritical. And wrong.

Kaepernick did lose his job and is livelihood was ruined,

However, more interesting is in your first paragraph you bemoan intention being punished then in the second paragraph dismiss intention if it insults others.  

I get it, you believe there is a double standard, and it rightly makes you upset.  But of course, the whole idea behind kneeling for Kaep was to expose a double standard, that rightly makes him upset.  Would it change your mind if he had said "I'm sorry for offending people, but I'm not doing this to disrespect anybody, I'm doing it to expose police brutality towards black people.  I felt I needed to do something drastic and will continue to to try and make a difference"?

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Ive never agreed with the anthem kneeling.  Many of these guys are millionaires, many of them have huge platforms, they dont need to go to their place of work and send political messages and attract attention to themselves during the national anthem.  It's counter to the standards literally every normal person is held to every day 

You have flag ceremonies and national anthems at work???Even if one did its within my right as an american to kneel during the anthem at my work unless in my job description or contract they agreed to pay me to stand at attention

Youre not a victim because somebody knelt during a paid by the military flag ceremony during a football game😒

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep. And it’s been a pretty long standing tradition that it’s everything but politics in here.  
 

And it’s me that "just can’t help himself”.  Ironic.  

Meh, a football player made a political statement during a time of political unrest when football is currently on hold.

One can only talk about garlic presses and civil war history for so long 😊

3 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Kaepernick did lose his job and is livelihood was ruined,

However, more interesting is in your first paragraph you bemoan intention being punished then in the second paragraph dismiss intention if it insults others.  

I get it, you believe there is a double standard, and it rightly makes you upset.  But of course, the whole idea behind kneeling for Kaep was to expose a double standard, that rightly makes him upset.  Would it change your mind if he had said "I'm sorry for offending people, but I'm not doing this to disrespect anybody, I'm doing it to expose police brutality towards black people.  I felt I needed to do something drastic and will continue to to try and make a difference"?

Id feel a hell of a lot better about it if he said he wanted to do something to capture everyone's attention for a cause important to him. That he never meant to offend anyone and understands that his method may have done so. And then he should have found another way. Like Jenkins did with a fist in the air, but still with the decency to stand for our flag, anthem, and military.

Like Jenkins, Torrey Smith, and Chris long did going to Harrisburg. Kaep could have gone to Sacramento. Or even DC. I mean... just so many things. So many ways to do it without a kick in the nads to veterans. 

But he chose divisiveness. Its just what he wants. He has made it clear over and over again since then will each successive action he has taken.

25 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah. the sad thing is I know next to nothing about politics and even the most basic political terms are right over my head but I have completely demolished them in debates a few times even with that disadvantage. Theyre dumb and easy to F with. Fall for every trap. Even so, I dont find it entertaining to be in there. To enjoy that style of posting day after day really requires you to be a genuine D.

Wrong

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Watch the video of the House of Pain game I shared.  And write up a summary for us.  

I watched the house of pain game about 2 weeks ago.

Its a brutal game to watch.especially with all the injury stoppages

Zero offense the whole game a bunch of scrubs playing its like watching the replacements. Just an ugly game.

The most entertaining part was JBs quote and thats about it.

25 minutes ago, Utebird said:

If one is  white one automatically benefits from white privilege whether one wants to or not. Its a social construct with 1000s of years of reinforced ideals. Simply saying i choose not to benefit from my whiteness isnt up to an individual, its inevitable.

The fact that people cant see that or realize that is the problem.

One can choose to not purposefully exploit ones "whiteness" for ones own benefit but that doesnt exclude one from the inherent benefits that will ensue from being a white male.

I'm not disagreeing with that. But that burden does not fall on me personally. Like you said, this is something that goes back for 1000s of years. Something that I and others are not at personal fault for considering we didn't establish this order. I'll never experience the hardships that black individuals go through like walking down the road and a cop approaching and feeling a sense of nervousness. I get that. 

My issue comes from someone having an opinion that differs from what the mainstream right now is only accepting. If someone wants to come out and give a rational explanation that looting cities, vandalizing buildings, and shooting cops dead on sidewalks isn't the answer, that does not mean they are okay with what happened with George Floyd. That does not make them accepting of police brutality. If people want to point out that there are ALSO actual real, significant issues in black communities such as 53% of known homicide offenders in the US being committed by blacks and 60% of robberies being done by blacks despite them only representing 13% of the population, that is a conversation to have to find out what we can do to help limit this. 

Thoughts like these do not make someone racist or falling victim to their own white privilege. It makes them logical and wanting to bring up issues like these so they are out there and we can work together to fix them. 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

You have flag ceremonies and national anthems at work???Even if one did its within my right as an american to kneel during the anthem at my work unless in my job description or contract they agreed to pay me to stand at attention

Youre not a victim because somebody knelt during a paid by the military flag ceremony during a football game😒

I work at a VA hospital, good one

Whatever it is you do for a living, you give up rights when you walk through the door.  They pay you to work, not announce your political views in front of customers.

Did I say I was a victim?  

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Meh, a football player made a political statement during a time of political unrest when football is currently on hold.

One can only talk about garlic presses and civil war history for so long 😊

We should discuss gardening.

 

Fact:  Nearly the entire plant of a pea is edible. 

16 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Ive never agreed with the anthem kneeling.  Many of these guys are millionaires, many of them have huge platforms, they dont need to go to their place of work and send political messages and attract attention to themselves during the national anthem.  It's counter to the standards literally every normal person is held to every day and it's counter to the idea of teamwork and comeraderie. 

And now there's an insane double standard that's out of control because of social media and this cancel culture that's ruining free speech. 

Vic Fangio had to apologize for saying that he didn't think there was racism in football.  What??? That demands an apology?   Does that mean if he said the opposite, like "Racism is rampant and utterly ubiquitous throughout all levels of football" that he'd be given a promotion??

Now Drew Brees saying he doesn't support the kneeling and it's open season, because we all must think alike. If Drew Brees never does a single racist thing in his entire life, he's still the enemy because he didn't fall in line and protest hard enough for some guys who probably use the N word every day of their lives, or call other black men uncle tom, or who have openly said racist things about white people or asians or whatever.

And I hate Brees, f these guys for making me defend him

I know many of the players and Lurie have commented, but please just keep this ish away from the last vestiges of an outlet from society that exists right now

You are completely missing the point on everything here 

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

By the way, I read something today about singer Halsey being half black/white. I never knew that. I guess she received criticism from the black community for never speaking out on issues to support her black heritage. 

She said she is white skinned and does not suffer from the same injustices based on her skin color and can not really fully understand those experiences that people have had to endure. 

Then she said having white skin is something that she "came to terms with" and accepted as part of her. And was confused when she was younger whether she should like TLC or Brittany. 

Ummm... that is a completely racist statement to make. Why cant she like both? Why does she have to like one that she sees as the same race as her? Or choose the one with the same skin color? 

This is the type of racism that black people are raised with. Sorry... but its true. It goes both ways. They are racist too. 

No one will ever make big deal about her statement because white people wont complain about it. Its ok for her to say something racist as long as she is speaking as a (half) black woman. That is also a problem that needs to be addressed. But wont. Because we would be racist to bring that up and make a big deal of it. 

This again is another example of the worst kind of dialogue that is completely counterproductive to the cause of the peaceful protesters. Your posts do belong in CVON. They are complete trash that make it impossible to move forward with any meaningful discussion.

That's hyperbole at work being used to explain her internal struggle with her racial identity, that's not racism. I think people get racism and prejudice/stereotyping confused way too often. Also, racism does not need to be overt and many people don't even understand what they are doing or saying is racist. Of course that completely depends on your definition of racism too. Some people define it as discrimination based on skin color, but IMO true racism comes from when that discrimination comes from a feeling that person is somehow less than/undeserving/guilty/dehumanized because of the color of their skin. There is also the idea of a power dynamic that some include, which basically says you have to be the in power/ruling class to be racist because of the systems built around keeping that power. Which is where police and this discussion takes place and some of the language that is used like "they're animals" or "thugs" or when it is automatically assumed that a person should not be in an area because they are the "wrong color" for that area.

So back to Halsey, there's no less than in that equation, only a choice between racial identities. 

Just now, Mike31mt said:

I work at a VA hospital, good one

Whatever it is you do for a living, you give up rights when you walk through the door.  They pay you to work, not announce your political views in front of customers.

Did I say I was a victim?  

One doesnt give up rights. I have freedom of speech rights at work though i may not be free from the resulting consequences by exercising my free speech.

You didnt say you were a victim, youre rant implied it.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We should discuss gardening.

 

Fact:  Nearly the entire plant of a pea is edible. 

So is a dandelion

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

So is a dandelion

Very true.  But the pea is much tastier.   (That last piece is just an opinion though, not a fact.) 

Just now, Utebird said:

One doesnt give up rights. I have freedom of speech rights at work though i may not be free from the resulting consequences by exercising my free speech.

You didnt say you were a victim, youre rant implied it.

So you can carry your firearm into work? Dont be ridiculous.

No I didnt imply it, you inferred it

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Id feel a hell of a lot better about it if he said he wanted to do something to capture everyone's attention for a cause important to him. That he never meant to offend anyone and understands that his method may have done so. And then he should have found another way. Like Jenkins did with a fist in the air, but still with the decency to stand for our flag, anthem, and military.

Like Jenkins, Torrey Smith, and Chris long did going to Harrisburg. Kaep could have gone to Sacramento. Or even DC. I mean... just so many things. So many ways to do it without a kick in the nads to veterans. 

But he chose divisiveness. Its just what he wants. He has made it clear over and over again since then will each successive action he has taken.

He does have a wonderful quote about this but I'm going to sleep so I will post it in the morning.  I think your narrative that all he did was choose divisiveness is not so either/or.  Sometimes it takes a person like Kaep to pave the way for others to carry the torch and truly shine. 

9 minutes ago, twistr said:

That's hyperbole at work being used to explain her internal struggle with her racial identity, that's not racism. I think people get racism and prejudice/stereotyping confused way too often. Also, racism does not need to be overt and many people don't even understand what they are doing or saying is racist. Of course that completely depends on your definition of racism too. Some people define it as discrimination based on skin color, but IMO true racism comes from when that discrimination comes from a feeling that person is somehow less than/undeserving/guilty/dehumanized because of the color of their skin. There is also the idea of a power dynamic that some include, which basically says you have to be the in power/ruling class to be racist because of the systems built around keeping that power. Which is where police and this discussion takes place and some of the language that is used like "they're animals" or "thugs" or when it is automatically assumed that a person should not be in an area because they are the "wrong color" for that area.

So back to Halsey, there's no less than in that equation, only a choice between racial identities. 

I agree with your definition of racism but it seems outdated in current times and going by that definition seems to make us ignorant racist bigots.

If she was white,  or half white identifying as white that statement would be attacked all over the news. Her career would be in turmoil. 

Choosing your own racial identity should not mean you have to like the black musician over the white one as she implies. 

 

4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I'm not disagreeing with that. But that burden does not fall on me personally. Like you said, this is something that goes back for 1000s of years. Something that I and others are not at personal fault for considering we didn't establish this order. I'll never experience the hardships that black individuals go through like walking down the road and a cop approaching and feeling a sense of nervousness. I get that. 

My issue comes from someone having an opinion that differs from what the mainstream right now is only accepting. If someone wants to come out and give a rational explanation that looting cities, vandalizing buildings, and shooting cops dead on sidewalks isn't the answer, that does not mean they are okay with what happened with George Floyd. That does not make them accepting of police brutality. If people want to point out that there are ALSO actual real, significant issues in black communities such as 53% of known homicide offenders in the US being committed by blacks and 60% of robberies being done by blacks despite them only representing 13% of the population, that is a conversation to have to find out what we can do to help limit this. 

Thoughts like these do not make someone racist or falling victim to their own white privilege. It makes them logical and bringing up issues like these so they are out there and we can work together to fix them. 

Right now as a white person isnt the time to bring up whatabouts. Its time to listen. Riots are the language of the unheard. I dont agree with violence or riots but i try to understand where its coming from and listen. I wonder how many people after Kap knelt that are now saying racism is bad and we need to talk about it were saying the same back then. Were you if not it toon violence and riots for a lot of people to hear to listen. Sad but true😞

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  Kemp came in and looked at least serviceable.  I guess the rubber band in his arm was wound all the way up.  McMahon was always a slug.  

Man, what a sad season that was

 

59 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Kaepernick did lose his job and is livelihood was ruined,

However, more interesting is in your first paragraph you bemoan intention being punished then in the second paragraph dismiss intention if it insults others.  

I get it, you believe there is a double standard, and it rightly makes you upset.  But of course, the whole idea behind kneeling for Kaep was to expose a double standard, that rightly makes him upset.  Would it change your mind if he had said "I'm sorry for offending people, but I'm not doing this to disrespect anybody, I'm doing it to expose police brutality towards black people.  I felt I needed to do something drastic and will continue to to try and make a difference"?

dont get me wrong i think he never got another chance to be a backup or just a fringe starter in the league cause of the kneeling and the nfl didn’t want to have to deal with it and cause he thought he was deserving of being a big time starter. I don’t disagree on any of that.

that said Kaepernick also wasn’t very good towards the end of his time and when this came about onto the scene. I brought it up on the old board his numbers when games were 14+ points behind were ridiculously good but when it was 10 or less he was an awful QB for the better part of his last two years in Sf. I think kneeling along with thinking he was still really good like 2012 prevented him from signing another contract.  his performance not being very good when this began was likely showing his career was closer to the end  

wrongly I think if kaepernick would’ve done it when he was at his peak i think more people would’ve been behind him. I think there were some people took it as a well he sees his career winding down and wants to keep his name relevant (not me i just know there were people out there who were saying it). 

if he would’ve said it that wouldn’t have changed my perspective. I got why he was doing it and it didn’t bother me to answer your question 

i really only have two issues with kaepernick. One i thought it was distasteful to have pig socks on and a Castro shirt. That large Cuban community would tell you that it is pretty offensive to do that when they escaped their own oppression. If someone wore a hitler shirt to make a argument about oppression I would be super offended. Don’t get me wrong i see how he would try to connect oppressions but i think that was the wrong way to go about it. Second i dislike he is not out there with the protestors going on today in 2020. He said he’d pay their legal fees but that feels very much like he will pay others to do it for him so he doesn’t have to be active (sorry for poor choice of words )battlefield in 2020. If you want to be the leader and voice of this movement now is the time to be out there just like Malcolm Jenkins is and has been. Paying for protestors legal fees is a nice gesture but he should be out there with them (granted i say he’s not cause i haven’t seen any pictures or videos of him doing so— if he has then my bad). 

Just now, Utebird said:

Right now as a white person isnt the time to bring up whatabouts. Its time to listen. Riots are the language of the unheard. I dont agree with violence or riots but i try to understand where its coming from and listen. I wonder how many people after Kap knelt that are now saying racism is bad and we need to talk about it were saying the same back then. Were you if not it toon violence and riots for a lot of people to hear to listen. Sad but true😞

Yeah, this is pretty much exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't want dialogue, then that's your motive and I'm not going to argue with that. I think dialogue is the most important thing we need right now. Not silence from one side. 

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

So you can carry your firearm into work? Dont be ridiculous.

No I didnt imply it, you inferred it

So now not reciting the pledge at work is akin to bringing a gun to the work place??? Whose being ridiculous???

I dont lose basic human rights when i go to work. I still have 1st amendment rights im not free of the consequences. Having said that just like my work doesnt pay me to salute the flag the nfl doesnt pay its players to either. If one is against people making political statements at work thamen one should in turn be against flag ceremonies in places of work. A flag ceremony is a political statement.

And unless my work has included in my job description and contracted me to salute the flag during work im within my rights to exercise my right not to, those who died so i could also died so i didnt have to.

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Appreciate the reply. When I get home I'll take time to watch it and appreciate the link.

That's all I could ever ask. Thanks for considering a different point of view and appreciate you