14 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I've said the whole time that Foles set the path for what Kaepernick should have done. Settle for a backup role since the demand for him getting a starting job at the time was non-existent. Get some snaps in preseason and maybe during the season if the starter gets hurt/benched. Show that you can still play by winning games and then cash in with another team for a starting gig. Exactly what Foles did. 

I'm of the belief that Kaepernick has never wanted to play football again. He wanted to be viewed as this oppressed symbol and he's cashed in significantly for it, all at the same time doing actual good stuff for the cause. That's fine, but don't try to pull the wool over people's eyes that you want to play again.  

I think he wanted To play again but for the price he wanted to play at and thinking he was still worthy of being a bonafide starter. Once the league wasn’t going to do that type of money nor deal with what they perceived as everything that came along around him, I think the narrative of why he never played again got morphed into an oppressed symbol. 

19 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup. I dont think anyone is going to mistake him for MLK or even Malcolm X, but he started a conversation that was minimized and as an indirect result here we are. 

I salute Kap for what he did.  However, I dont think that's the reason he hasn't played in a few years.  He had chances to play and passed them up.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Just saw Drew Brees completely pissed off 3/4's of his locker room.

Not that this is overly important at a time like this in us and global history, but I feel like this is one of those things that just implodes a locker room and is super divisive. To me i thought the saints were the favorite in the NFC to represent the conference in the SB. Liked their offseason moves and draft. I think it opens the door wide open for the conference if this blows up the locker room like some of us think. I am actually curious to see in the upcoming days what Vegas does with their odds.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I really didn’t have a problem with him kneeling for what his cause was. It never offended me or did i think it did the flag. However i had issues with him wearing the Castro shirt and pig socks. I think one of the issues people had with him after he got cut in SF was him claiming the nfl solely didn’t give him another contract or job because of the kneeling. he had offers but he really thought he was better than what they were offering when his performance by the end of his SF tenure wasn’t very good. I believe the ravens were going to offer him and his GF posted something about the owner and ray Lewis being slave master  

(preference this with I haven’t seen him out there during there protests— tried to find some pictures but haven’t come across any)i think some people’s issue with kaepernick in the moment is he should be out there like we saw from jenkins, jaylen brown, trey young and a bunch of other athletes with the protestors. It is a nice gesture he set up to pay legal fees of protestors but he wanted to be the one to take charge of this movement And make a change then be out there with people fighting for what you brought to light 

 

I agree.  The reason he hasn't played is solely his own. He's had chances and passed on them.  Imagine if he signed with the ravens.  He could be playing in that offense that Lamar runs, which is a perfect fit for Kap.

Btw, he must be making pretty good money doing whatever he does if he can pay people's legal fees.  

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not that this is overly important at a time like this in us and global history, but I feel like this is one of those things that just implodes a locker room and is super divisive. To me i thought the saints were the favorite in the NFC to represent the conference in the SB. Liked their offseason moves and draft. I think it opens the door wide open for the conference if this blows up the locker room like some of us think. I am actually curious to see in the upcoming days what Vegas does with their odds.

I agree. Also, I don't think there is anything wrong about what Brees said, and I am a liberal person. That being said, it shows a serious lack of empathy, self awareness, and understanding the value of timing. It just wasn't a smart thing to be saying right now.

Locker room isn't the only people he pissed off

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Just now, 315Eagles said:

I agree.  The reason he hasn't played is solely his own. He's had chances and passed on them.  Imagine if he signed with the ravens.  He could be playing in that offense that Lamar runs, which is a perfect fit for Kap.

Btw, he must be making pretty good money doing whatever he does if he can pay people's legal fees.  

Yup. He’s making a lot of money. It’s just not as publicized as sports contracts which are blasted all over the place. 
 

like I don’t really know how to feel about his absence in the spotlight on these protests. I’d like to know his reasoning for not being out there when we’ve seen other athletes who have worked hard for the cause and they’re out there with every day people Who want the change that he wanted. Like I would’ve said the same thing if Malcolm Jenkins took the same course of action right now. But then Malcolm Jenkins is out there so I see him and I say well this is what he wanted and he still out there doing it

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not that this is overly important at a time like this in us and global history, but I feel like this is one of those things that just implodes a locker room and is super divisive. To me i thought the saints were the favorite in the NFC to represent the conference in the SB. Liked their offseason moves and draft. I think it opens the door wide open for the conference if this blows up the locker room like some of us think. I am actually curious to see in the upcoming days what Vegas does with their odds.

Odds are this will blow over.  If the season was in progress and this just came out then maybe the locker room would be a mess.  But the season is still 3 months away.  Brees will talk with his teammates and things will be fine.  It's just right now everyone is angry with this and the covid 19 going still.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I agree. Also, I don't think there is anything wrong about what Brees said, and I am a liberal person. That being said, it shows a serious lack of empathy, self awareness, and understanding the value of timing. It just wasn't a smart thing to be saying right now.

Yeah it’s super tone deaf. Don’t get me wrong he has freedom speech so he can say whatever he wants. However there’s always a consequence for any action or anything you say.  To me he didn’t need to talk about it at this time when you know everything else going on in the world that was not important to go off about right now. He could’ve just brushed off the question or said it’s not important in a moment like this where we need for everyone to have equal rights and be treated with the same freedoms we all deserve and should enjoy. 

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Locker room isn't the only people he pissed off

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Drew Brees is screwed. This isn’t something people will easily forget unless he swings hard in the other direction. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup. He’s making a lot of money. It’s just not as publicized as sports contracts which are blasted all over the place. 
 

like I don’t really know how to feel about his absence in the spotlight on these protests. I’d like to know his reasoning for not being out there when we’ve seen other athletes who have worked hard for the cause and they’re out there with every day people Who want the change that he wanted. Like I would’ve said the same thing if Malcolm Jenkins took the same course of action right now. But then Malcolm Jenkins is out there so I see him and I say well this is what he wanted and he still out there doing it

I still remember when Carson got hurt in 2017 and some black media outlets were calling for the Eagles to sign Kap because he was better than Foles.  Glad that didnt happen.

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Odds are this will blow over.  If the season was in progress and this just came out then maybe the locker room would be a mess.  But the season is still 3 months away.  Brees will talk with his teammates and things will be fine.  It's just right now everyone is angry with this and the covid 19 going still.

Normally I would agree. However I think it’s a pretty defining moment in US and world history. Where the fact that if you could be that tone deaf at a time like this I think people are going to remember it. There’s something to be said about unity and chemistry in that locker room. Maybe it does work out for them, but I have a hard time seeing some of those players looking at him the same and listening to him especially if they struggle they might never recover

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

I still remember when Carson got hurt in 2017 and some black media outlets were calling for the Eagles to sign Kap because he was better than Foles.  Glad that didnt happen.

That’s actually when I brought up the Colin Kaepernick numbers on the old board. His numbers from afar werent like horrendous. But when you looked at them in games that were 10 points or less his numbers were awful. And then you look at numbers when they were down by 14 or more points they looked really good. So it’s skewed how people interpreted his overall numbers

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Drew Brees is screwed. This isn’t something people will easily forget unless he swings hard in the other direction. 

Pretty amazing how fast it can go up in smoke though considering the fact he’s done a ton for that New Orleans community.

The only thing I would add to the Brees/Kaepernick discussion is that you can't lose your mind over what Kaepernick did and then be perfectly okay with what Brees said, and vice versa.

Both people live in a country where it should be perfectly acceptable to express your opinion as long as it is done in a way that doesn't infringe on the rights of someone else.

There's really not any middle ground here. It's easy to see on twitter that most people fall into the defend Kap/drag Brees or the drag Kap/defend Brees camps. But if you have a brain, it's pretty easy to see that both guys are being reasonable in what they are saying and neither one deserves any criticism.

Doesn't it make sense that we live in a world where we can both honor people who fought in WW2 and call for police to be more respectful of minorities? 

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Locker room isn't the only people he pissed off

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This is freaking insane. People are finally jumping the shark.

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I still remember when Carson got hurt in 2017 and some black media outlets were calling for the Eagles to sign Kap because he was better than Foles.  Glad that didnt happen.

Yeah we won the super bowl but damn do people forget how bad Foles was up until the championship game. 
 

Doug didn’t even rule out Suds getting playing time at one point. 

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Locker room isn't the only people he pissed off

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I don't have an issue with Brees's comments, but Jesus, talk about not being able to read the room. The past few days have been some of the most turbulent ones in quite some time. Nobody wants to hear any other opinion right now, and that's justifiable. There's a time and place for everything. Now isn't the time to say what he did, at least from an image standpoint. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Normally I would agree. However I think it’s a pretty defining moment in US and world history. Where the fact that if you could be that tone deaf at a time like this I think people are going to remember it. There’s something to be said about unity and chemistry in that locker room. Maybe it does work out for them, but I have a hard time seeing some of those players looking at him the same and listening to him especially if they struggle they might never recover

One of the leaders of the defense just told him to shut the F up. Idk if there’s fixing that. 

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The only thing I would add to the Brees/Kaepernick discussion is that you can't lose your mind over what Kaepernick did and then be perfectly okay with what Brees said, and vice versa.

Both people live in a country where it should be perfectly acceptable to express your opinion as long as it is done in a way that doesn't infringe on the rights of someone else.

There's really not any middle ground here. It's easy to see on twitter that most people fall into the defend Kap/drag Brees or the drag Kap/defend Brees camps. But if you have a brain, it's pretty easy to see that both guys are being reasonable in what they are saying and neither one deserves any criticism.

Doesn't it make sense that we live in a world where we can both honor people who fought in WW2 and call for police to be more respectful of minorities? 

Kapernick was proven right, possibly to the point of being a bit of a visionary ahead of his time. He was demonstrating a peaceful protest. Those who took offense back then weren't thinking about his perspective. Those taking offense and commenting on it negatively now are clueless. There is nothing ''wrong'' with Drew Brees said, but it was really stupid and showed a serious lack of awareness of a lot of things. He did indeed have the right to say it, but now he will have to deal with the consequences. I'd love to agree with the way you are simplifying these two very separate situations but I don't see it.

5 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I don't have an issue with Brees's comments, but Jesus, talk about not being able to read the room. The past few days have been some of the most turbulent ones in quite some time. Nobody wants to hear any other opinion right now, and that's justifiable. There's a time and place for everything. Now isn't the time to say what he did, at least from an image standpoint. 

Exactly. There is a big difference between saying something horrible and saying something really stupid. What he said wasn't malicious or horrible, it was dumb as F though. Brees is a really smart guy too so I am surprised at how tone deaf he showed himself to be.

29 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Click on the tweet and read his entire thread. It’s worth it. 

Pretty good response.

But something to remember is also when the method of delivering the message drowns out the message, the point is lost in the clamor. I have said many times I have no issue with anyone expressing a nonviolent protest.   The problem with the kneeling is so many saw disrespect and it failed to deliver a meaningful dialogue.  I would suggest that Malcolm Jenkins, Chris Long and even Jeff Lurie and Carson Wentz have furthered dialogue more than Kaepernick did.  
 

25 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I agree. Also, I don't think there is anything wrong about what Brees said, and I am a liberal person. That being said, it shows a serious lack of empathy, self awareness, and understanding the value of timing. It just wasn't a smart thing to be saying right now.

The only thing I think he did wrong was play the "disrespect the flag” trope. And maybe the "never” wording 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The only thing I think he did wrong was play the "disrespect the flag” trope

True

19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Normally I would agree. However I think it’s a pretty defining moment in US and world history. Where the fact that if you could be that tone deaf at a time like this I think people are going to remember it. There’s something to be said about unity and chemistry in that locker room. Maybe it does work out for them, but I have a hard time seeing some of those players looking at him the same and listening to him especially if they struggle they might never recover

If you really look at it, he didnt say anything bad.  Just that he doesnt think kneeling during the anthem is respectful towards the military.  I dont agree but that's his opinion.