1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

The only thing I took away from watching it again is that Seth Joyner was such a great linebacker.  He deserves to be in the PFHOF.

 Yup. There are very few reasons for not putting joyner in the HOF and plenty for.

I didn’t know that about Belichick’s dad. 

 

51 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Statistically there is no evidence of widespread national police bias towards black people.  This isnt an issue that is a national plague, that is a false narrative that doesnt hold up.

What theyre saying when they kneel during the anthem is that the there is some widespread problem inherent throughout the nation.

Btw Jim Brown has said the exact same thing as Drew Brees.  I bet he doesnt understand these issues either

The highlighted statement would surprise the vast majority of those that have studied the issue. I would be interested in seeing  your sources for the stated conclusion.

Police joined people taking a knee with people around the world but what Kaep did didn't bring about conversation?

 

Those offended just looking for something to be offended by and not understand the why behind it.

Most saw some slight to military when it was an Ex Green Beret who felt kneeling was more respectful from the sitting he was doing.

He probably lead the most peaceful protest to ever lead to anything.

Unfortunately people only notice and change only happens when a bigger ruckus happens than peaceful protests.

History shows it plain as day.

 

 

good on Brees to apologize but likely too little too late on that one. going to be verrrry interesting to see how the Saints lockerroom goes this year.

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

good on Brees to apologize but likely too little too late on that one. going to be verrrry interesting to see how the Saints lockerroom goes this year.

FWIW

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

Statistically there is no evidence of widespread national police bias towards black people.  This isnt an issue that is a national plague, that is a false narrative that doesnt hold up.

What theyre saying when they kneel during the anthem is that the there is some widespread problem inherent throughout the nation.

Btw Jim Brown has said the exact same thing as Drew Brees.  I bet he doesnt understand these issues either

I feel like the overwhelmingly disproportionate amount of african Americans in prison would stand to argue with the bolded.

There have been numerous examples of black men getting harsher sentences than white men for similar crimes. Do you think if Brock Turner gets off free if he were black? That is one of many examples.

You don't hear about cops killing unarmed white men too often. And I don't mean on the news, you don't see it anywhere. Nothing on twitter, nothing on instagram, no petitions. We would hear about it somehow but for some reason, we don't. Is it not possible that it just doesn't really happen to white people?

15 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

The highlighted statement would surprise the vast majority of those that have studied the issue. I would be interested in seeing  your sources for the stated conclusion.

It's a complex issue to study.  While the data from the last 5 years shows that police kill more whites than blacks, the black population in the US is just less than 13%, and the proportion of deaths by police is much higher than that.  Then to accurately analyze the data one would need to delve deeper into the proportion of total police-civilian encounters, broken down by race -- and I seriously doubt any accurate data is kept for that.

Suffice to say the larger issue comes down to economic disparity.  If I have money and can make a good living and pay for my needs it is MUCH less likely I will have any conflict with police.  That's where the argument of systemic racism comes in -- do I have an equal opportunity and access to a good education, good job, etc?  There may well be studies out there that show even wealthy minorities are treated differently by police.

The other major issue is there is no video evidence of white people being killed by police for little or no cause; if it happens it does not get reported -- which leads people to the logical conclusion it does not happen to white people.  

1 minute ago, devpool said:

I feel like the overwhelmingly disproportionate amount of african Americans in prison would stand to argue with the bolded.

There have been numerous examples of black men getting harsher sentences than white men for similar crimes. Do you think if Brock Turner gets off free if he were black? That is one of many examples.

You don't hear about cops killing unarmed white men too often. And I don't mean on the news, you don't see it anywhere. Nothing on twitter, nothing on instagram, no petitions. We would hear about it somehow but for some reason, we don't. Is it not possible that it just doesn't really happen to white people?

Much of this is due to misconception

Blacks historically have commited more crime, that is just the fact.  I think its mostly a factor of poverty and lack of education, but its still a fact. 

There are definitely areas or departments where Im sure racism is more prevalent, but when you protest the flag I think it almost distracts from addressing those specific incidents and makes the issue about the country as a whole. 

I believe there are racist acts performed by racist people.  I would prefer to focus on those individual instances rather than have the issue explode like it has where the net is cast so wide that it renders progress impossible.  This isnt like 1965 where it is pervasive anymore and sweeping changes are needed across the board.

Regarding sentencing...each case is different. The same crime committed by 3 different people s almost incomparable.  Again, there are definitely instances where you could find a disparity based on nothing but race, but I think that is the minority.  Are we saying that judges are racist now?  Basically what this boils down to is that the narrative is that most white people are racist, unless you believe that white racists are just inherently more likey to be cops and judges. Protesting the flag (the nation as a whole) could be interpreted as sending that message.  

According to statistics, per police encounter, unarmed whites are absolutely killed by police just as much as blacks.   Its just not as juicy for the sensationalist news media.

 

I just think our only way forward is to focus on the specific issues and not have it turn into some national thing where there is rioting because it gets out of hand.  Police are now getting attacked on a regular basis, these people had nothing to do with George Floyd

28 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

The highlighted statement would surprise the vast majority of those that have studied the issue. I would be interested in seeing  your sources for the stated conclusion.

There was actually an article in the Wall Street Journal about it the other day:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

Again this doesnt absolve all officers, but its important to remember how much progress has been made in the last 50-60 years.    Dont go backwards now 

12% of the populace, 40% of the incarcerated.

In California, 7% of the populace, 45% of the 25-years-to-life prisoners.

Black males have approximately a one-in-four chance of being imprisoned in their lifetimes.

 

I think Joe put it well here for many of those (including myself) who support kneeling in protest during the anthem. 

Just remember racism happens from all races

We shouldn't call it black or white thing

Thats why it will never fixed

We are world of people and should be treated egually

Love thy neighbor 

Just now, ManuManu said:

I think Joe put it well here for those who support kneeling in protest during the anthem. 

The flag isnt racist, the USA isnt racist.  People are.  Protest them

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The flag isnt racist, the USA isnt racist.  People are.  Protest them

The flag can’t feel disrespected either...

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It's a complex issue to study.  While the data from the last 5 years shows that police kill more whites than blacks, the black population in the US is just less than 13%, and the proportion of deaths by police is much higher than that.  Then to accurately analyze the data one would need to delve deeper into the proportion of total police-civilian encounters, broken down by race -- and I seriously doubt any accurate data is kept for that.

Suffice to say the larger issue comes down to economic disparity.  If I have money and can make a good living and pay for my needs it is MUCH less likely I will have any conflict with police.  That's where the argument of systemic racism comes in -- do I have an equal opportunity and access to a good education, good job, etc?  There may well be studies out there that show even wealthy minorities are treated differently by police.

The other major issue is there is no video evidence of white people being killed by police for little or no cause; if it happens it does not get reported -- which leads people to the logical conclusion it does not happen to white people.  

exactly what I was about to say. The issue is extremely complex and stems from a variety of reasons. But socioeconomic disparity and more specifically unequal opportunity are at the core. unequal access to education, food, jobs, healthcare, safety, all fall along lines of division based on SES and more often than not, race. 

Brees shouldn't have apologized 

If thats the way he feels

There was nothing racist in what he said

He views the flag a different way and is entitled to say that

Its a shame he was made to submit 

 

6 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

 

No offseason is gonna be a problem for him in this transition. Ideally he’d be the third safety this season as he completes the move.

Look, to me it's pretty simple. No I don't agree with kneeling when you are to stand for the star spangled banner and I don't agree with those who do. I doesn't mean that I don't think they may have a point I just don't agree with their method of protest I love my country and the flag that represents it and I will respect both, but I definitely don't agree with everything that America does or everything that all the people who live here do. 

Racism will likely never end here, just as much as other crimes will not, because there are always evil men/women on this earth that want to hurt others. That said I would love to live in a world where my color,your color, no one's color means a damn thing one way or the other. I think I have the hope of someday living there (you have the right to your opinion on that) I just don't think it will ever be on this planet.

I'm open to do whatever I can legally and within my beliefs to achieve whatever we can do to become as close as possible to that equality now.

 

31 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The flag can’t feel disrespected either...

But the paying customers, who tuned in to watch a football game, can be 

I mean, wasnt the point of kneeling during the anthem to be a little divisive?  Otherwise, why do it? 

So its silly to do that and then be stunned and offended when someone has an issue with it.  You reap what you sow there. Its just all or nothing, with us or against us, when life isnt that way

9 minutes ago, greend said:

Look, to me it's pretty simple. No I don't agree with kneeling when you are to stand for the star spangled banner and I don't agree with those who do. I doesn't mean that I don't think they may have a point I just don't agree with their method of protest I love my country and the flag that represents it and I will respect both, but I definitely don't agree with everything that America does or everything that all the people who live here do. 

Racism will likely never end here, just as much as other crimes will not, because there are always evil men/women on this earth that want to hurt others. That said I would love to live in a world where my color,your color, no one's color means a damn thing one way or the other. I think I have the hope of someday living there (you have the right to your opinion on that) I just don't think it will ever be on this planet.

I'm open to do whatever I can legally and within my beliefs to achieve whatever we can do to become as close as possible to that equality now.

 

I agree and for the most part that's what Brees said too and he is getting chastized for it.  For the people in the media/NFL/NO or wherever telling Brees to shut up, no one cares what a white man has to say right now, well he was interviewed and gave an honest respectable answer.  He didn't just shoot off a random tweet saying this.  That would be a whole other story.  He was asked his opinion!!!  How about we shame the reporter for asking that question right now.  Every single person knows how polarizing and divisive the anthem protests have been.  They KNOW how Brees feels and have asked him in the past.  To bring it up again is just ludacris.  They baited Brees and he went for it.

You tell white people to shut up and listen then you go and interview a white guy to get his thoughts.  It's ridiculous.  This reporter darn well knew Brees's stance on the anthem.  Again, I'll point fingers at the media for adding fuel to the fire.  

3 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Because its pretty clear no one cares what he thinks either. Brees isnt the one crying about how he feels. Perhaps jenkins needs to do some listening...

maybe then he would comprehend the lack of support

So when Jenkins expresses how he feels its crying, when Brees does its what?   

3 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

So when Jenkins expresses how he feels its crying, when Brees does its what?   

Both sides in this situation need to be more open minded. 
 

Either way I’ll never understand why people get so worked up over how people they don’t know think.