26 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Well said. My concern is how to address the root cause. What policy changes can be immediately effective to assuage those who are angry?

Not sure, thats way above my pay grade. Im just trying to listen.

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I know racism exists and it's not fair.  Everyone should be treated equal.  

I'm simply talking about people in general and how they act towards each other.  Whites hate blacks for no reason.  Blacks hate whites for no reason.  It's stupid but it's the way some people are.

I don’t know I think enslaving an entire group of people is a good reason. 
 

As unfair as you think it is, you’re paying for the mistakes of generations past. However, you also benefit from it. It’s like you’re starting the game already up 2 touchdowns. That’s where white privilege comes from. 

35 minutes ago, Utebird said:

MLK didnt agree with rioting and violence but he understood its origins and could empathize and said," rioting is the voice of the unheard"

Police exist to protect corporate interests and serve and protect capitalism. Looting is a form of protest against capitalism a system that historically unequally represents minorities, and can be seen as a redistribution of capitol to the working poor class. At least in theory.

The violence towards other humans is not just anger but has historically been perpetrated by those in power to dissuade peaceful protest.

If one is more upset about a burnt building or stolen toaster than one is about a cop openly murdering a black man than one is part of the problem.

One can say looting and rioting isnt protesting and murder isnt policing either.

If one wants to end a riot without ending its root cause ones agenda isnt about peace and justice, its about silence and control.

rioting an looting is also an intentional choice to break social contracts, in response to social contracts (like justice) not being upheld by those in power. 

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Kaepernick never had to apologize. Brees had to apologize thre very next day, and will never be forgiven.   

I know you enjoy being an attention ****, so you’ll probably pop a boner finding out you got quoted but I gotta say.....

 

wrong. So so wrong. 

6 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Again, why do think this is? Could it be after so many years of slavery and oppression that some black people aren’t trusting of white people?

 

You treat people like crap for generations and then you wonder why they grow to distrust you after you were FORCED to stop. 

Not all white people treated blacks like crap. A good many died helping to free them. This view is honestly racist as well in my opinion. We have to stop being about black people did this or white people did that. Why the hell can't we just be people isn't that what we want?

23 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Sarcastic jokes dont really come across on the internet like say this joke.

Whats Brown and sticky?

A stick!

2 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

rioting an looting is also an intentional choice to break social contracts, in response to social contracts (like justice) not being upheld by those in power. 

Exactly!!!

5 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Apologizing when you are wrong is never pointless. It may or may not make much difference but no apology only makes it worse.

Even when everyone is calling you fake?! 

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

He apologized and most won't care. It’s clear as day. Rasul’s response confirms that. I don’t agree with Brees but at this point apologizing is pretty pointless. People have their minds made up. 

I'm having difficulty even coming up with a response for this.  No apologies are pointless, and it's the first normal human step to take when attempting to mend a wounded relationship.  I learned that when I was about 7.  

**FYI - this has nothing to do with him being right or wrong.  But his next step was ABSOLUTELY to apologize.  

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Not all white people treated blacks like crap. A good many died helping to free them. This view is honestly racist as well in my opinion. We have to stop being about black people did this or white people did that. Why the hell can't we just be people isn't that what we want?

Amen.  People are people.  And ALL people are from a single race, its called the human race.  Everything else is human construct, not biology.

6 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

That's fine because white people are crappy.  So is every other race.  We all have bad representation of our groups.

All we can do as individuals is be nice and compassionate to one another regardless of race, sex, religion, etc.

White people are not crappy, neither is every other race.  You nailed it with we all have bad representation.  It doesn't make it fine to pile up on one race or the other.  The reality is that's what's going to happen.

1 minute ago, greend said:

Not all white people treated blacks like crap. A good many died helping to free them. This view is honestly racist as well in my opinion. We have to stop being about black people did this or white people did that. Why the hell can't we just be people isn't that what we want?

That is what we want and there are people of every ethnicity out protesting for it, so support the people who are trying to make that happen. Cause as of now, everyone is not treated equally. 

7 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Again, why do think this is? Could it be after so many years of slavery and oppression that some black people aren’t trusting of white people?

 

You treat people like crap for generations and then you wonder why they grow to distrust you after you were FORCED to stop. 

What does that have to do with me?  That's no excuse for behaving that way.  I didnt invent or practice slavery. 

So I'm on their side.  I want equality and opportunity for everyone.  I want them to be treated fairly.  I had nothing to do with how they were treated for so many years.  

Sorry hes not wrong 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Amen.  People are people.  And ALL people are from a single race, its called the human race.  Everything else is human construct, not biology.

It’s easy for a white man to shout from the top that we’re all equal and to stop fighting. You’ve been on top throughout history. You created the construct to ensure you’re on top. 
 

Understand that you benefit from the enslavement of minorities and the systematic racism put in place for years. Fight with them to fix it. 

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Even when everyone is calling you fake?! 

So I hope I didn't need to specify "sincere" apology, I thought that was implied. But yes - even then. If I'm wrong (if a lot of people are hurt or offended by my words or actions then I WAS wrong) then I will say so and apologies. People can call me fake but they won't be able to say I didn't man up - admit my mistake and apologies for it.

Drew brees

And he shouldn't have apologized 

13 minutes ago, greend said:

Not all white people treated blacks like crap. A good many died helping to free them. This view is honestly racist as well in my opinion. We have to stop being about black people did this or white people did that. Why the hell can't we just be people isn't that what we want?

So if you go to a store and almost all the help is rude but there's one helpful person, do you say that the store has good customer service because they have 1 good employee and 20 bad ones?

 

**editing to clarify. I am not talking about now, I'm talking about the 60s and earlier. The either indifference or outright mistreatment of black people throughout the history of the country would very likely make them at least wary of white people. Today, that's different. There is a majority of the population that is pro-equality and not racist. There are is still some remaining wariness though because in the scheme of things, the almost decent treatment is a new thing.

6 hours ago, ManuManu said:

There is absolutely no way Long, Lurie and Wentz have furthered the dialogue more than Kaepernick. I doubt Jenkins has either. 

We will disagree on this.  Kaepernick with his socks and Castro shirt turned the discussion from the injustices and impact of misuse of police power and the criminal justice system against POC to the socks disrespect for all police (a gross generalization and arguably discriminatory) and a tone deafness to Cuban Americans.  The sitting and then kneeling completely drowned out the message as so many saw it as disrespectful rather than appreciated the underlying reason.  I would  argue the year long salary contribution by Chris Long spoke volumes more and more effectively.  The trips to Harrisburg, the attention drawn by folks to the need to pay attention to who is being elected as district attorneys both got more dialogue and action.   I am a card carrying member of the ACLU and we are active in criminal justice reform in a much more impactful way than Kaepernick has been.  Sorry, his methods drowned out the message.  He has put some of his money to use but so has Jeff and many other people and players. 
If we could go back and look at the Blog discussions from back then, you would note very little dialogue on the intended message and a lot about the appropriateness of the method.   Even those that defended the nonviolent protest probably spent more words on defense of such than on the underlying message.  

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Amen.  People are people.  And ALL people are from a single race, its called the human race.  Everything else is human construct, not biology.

I appreciate your sentiment here but I think it misses the mark as regards what's happening right now and has been happening. It's not enough to echo Rodney King. There has to be substantive change. The point that is being made over and over is that we are facing institutional racism. Racism is learned. It is part of our culture.

7 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I'm having difficulty even coming up with a response for this.  No apologies are pointless, and it's the first normal human step to take when attempting to mend a wounded relationship.  I learned that when I was about 7.  

**FYI - this has nothing to do with him being right or wrong.  But his next step was ABSOLUTELY to apologize.  

I’m not saying he should have just ignored the situation. It’s been a long day...

 

What I’m trying to emphasize is that his apology (from what I’m seeing) is being called fake. So perhaps he should have just been more clear about his stance. 
 

Either way I really don’t care. 

1 minute ago, greend said:

Not all white people treated blacks like crap. A good many died helping to free them. This view is honestly racist as well in my opinion. We have to stop being about black people did this or white people did that. Why the hell can't we just be people isn't that what we want?

The boldest is what is actually the hardest thing. We are all people and in America, we’re mostly all Americans. We all run, fly, jump, etc under the same flag of freedom and we all should treated equally. 
 

but we’re not. And that’s the big problem. And what’s crazy, is Americans are seemingly treated differently according to their skin color. It’s such a stupid reason to treat someone differently. Why not treat someone differently on how they act instead? Makes sense right?

 

19 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is going to sound controversial but it's true.  Here's what we are going to see.

First, you have all these virtue signaling social media folks out there who are going to be going above and beyond to show their "support" for the black community.  It's going to be a social media trend to show that you care.  They think they bring about change by changing their profile picture or adding a frame that says BLM. Being pro black is a trend much like being pro gay or pro trans is.  They want to fit in so you how support without even knowing why.  What truly caring humans do is support and love their brothers and sisters without putting it on blast for all to see.  It's instinctive and you do it because you actually care, not because you want your followers to see.  You see this with "random acts of kindness".  People feel the need to praise themselves for doing a good deed.  Look at me look at the nice thing i did.  It''s going to be the same thing with race.  Look at me, I love black people, I'm a good person.  You didn'y shout it from the rooftop so you're a racist.

Second, you're going to see it become popular to talk down and be racist towards whites not only acceptable but encouraged.  I'm not talking about racism on the same level as what happened to George Floyd but you'll see it from celebrities first, then late night talk show hosts.  Who's gonna be first, Jimmy Kimmel or Trevor Noah telling white folks how crappy we are?  It's going to be the trend.  It's how today's society works.

No one says you need to scream from the rooftops that you support black lives, no one has asked that.

 blacks experience systemic inequality and racism and that sucks. One can choose to hear that and listen and attempt to understand that plight and change it or one can choose to justify minimize disregard ignore and blame.

I think you have made clear your choices.

 

9 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I don’t know I think enslaving an entire group of people is a good reason. 
 

As unfair as you think it is, you’re paying for the mistakes of generations past. However, you also benefit from it. It’s like you’re starting the game already up 2 touchdowns. That’s where white privilege comes from. 

That's the problem.  During the days of slavery, dont you think there were white people against it and fought for them to be free?

So if I'm always going to be viewed as an enemy eventhough I did nothing wrong then I might as well not care i guess.

If Josh Gordon can get 4 chances or  Kareem Hunt kicking a woman on the ground can get a second chance surely they can accept Brees’s apology, right? Nope cause it’s political 

Anyone have any good marinade recipes/mixes for chicken thighs or chicken breasts?  I can't grill red meat every single night, so I'm trying to add some chicken options.  I've got some breasts marinading in the fridge right now (all in a Ziploc gallon freezer bag) with a mix of vegetable oil, honey, lime juice, paprika, black pepper, garlic powder, and chili powder.