20 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Mhmm. Where do you this think respecting the flag and national anthem falls on their lists of wants when compared to healthcare, homelessness, and job training?

 

We have homeless veterans in our Country and you’re talking about honoring them by standing for a flag and singing a song? I’m sure that’s what they want as they struggle for their next meal. At least Ace Nova didn’t kneel. 
 

I’ll say it again, so many people talk a big game about supporting our vets, yet they don’t support the legislation for our vets cause they’re "handouts”.

Straw man argument.  
 

When did I say I don’t  support Veteran’s benefits?  
 

My statement to you is that if you want to respect Veterans then you should respect the fact that the vast majority of Veterans stand for the National Anthem and they respect the flag. 
 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Straw man argument.  
 

When did I say I don’t  support Veteran’s benefits?  
 

My statement to you is that if you want to respect Veterans then you should respect the fact that the vast majority of Veterans stand for the National Anthem and they respect the flag. 
 

That comment isn’t directed at you specifically and it’s not a straw man argument. There are way too people who want to get pissed at those kneeling or sitting during the anthem, but don’t support the legislation for veterans. I don’t want to get political, but there’s overlap.

 

I believe as Americans we should be outraged at veteran homelessness, their health care cost, etc. That should be the first thing people bring up when we’re talking about respecting our vets, not standing for the national anthem. That’s very low on the list of things I care about when thinking about our vets. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Straw man argument.  
 

When did I say I don’t  support Veteran’s benefits?  
 

My statement to you is that if you want to respect Veterans then you should respect the fact that the vast majority of Veterans stand for the National Anthem and they respect the flag. 
 

The veterans that actually fought in the last meaningful war are far and few between as most of them have died of old age.

War now is nothing more than an attempt to acquire and protect foreign economic corporate interests.

Want to show respect for vets? stop sending them to die for immoral imperial greed.

Want to show vets respect get them mental health care when they return home, provide them with housing healthcare and jobs with livable wages, saluting the flag with out any of the afore mentioned as tribute to vets is just a hollow gesture.

 

When will they realize the "jobs” report today was fueled by businesses calling back employees because of the bailout packages that made employee retention part of the deal?   October when those programs run out scares me. 

25 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

how much would legalizing weed impact police activity in minority communities? honest question. i would expect it to alleviate alot of pressure pretty quickly at every level - from police interactions to arrests to incarceration no?

I think that's part of the issue.  There's no cops utilizing stop and frisk tactics in my neighborhood.  Why arrest anyone at all for a non-violent offense or when it's a misdemeanor property crime. It is a waste of resources.  Give the person a citation and hope they show up to Court or if they're jaywalking just tell them to stop.    I think there is also an accountability problem.   Police can use force without consequences too often.  That's coupled with these broken window enforcement policies that lead to arrests for petty offenses.  

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

When will they realize the "jobs” report today was fueled by businesses calling back employees because of the bailout packages that made employee retention part of the deal?   October when those programs run out scares me. 

Well they are also changing the rules about payback.  They are basically revising what constitutes economic need for the loans in order to exclude some businesses from being to opt out of paying them back.  Those revisions may lead to some of these companies laying people off again.  

17 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Sounds good. I have lots of marinades and recipes for chicken.  I also Google recipes all the time and then I tend to vary towards my tastes.  Recommend EVOO instead of vegetable oil.  No or low sodium bullions or better, Better than Bullion, can be used.  You name the vinegar, red wine, balsamic, cider etc., I have on hand.   Use alcohol.  White wine and mushrooms are great with chicken.  Have peppers Fresh) available, homegrown when possible.  If you can grow herbs, basil, thyme, rosemary, sage, mint, cilantro, chives, parsley are always better fresh.  Just tinker.   I do like the Pioneer Woman’s tequila lime marinade.  

Good stuff - thanks!   I followed a recipe online and was wondering why anyone would use vegetable oil instead of olive oil.   

I actually just started growing basil, cilantro, oregano, and rosemary in our garden in the backyard.  It's my first attempt, so I'm hoping it won't be a disaster.  I even bought a small ghost pepper plant that I'm growing further away for the sole purpose of playing practical jokes on in-laws and other guests.  

  

 

10 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

That comment isn’t directed at you specifically and it’s not a straw man argument. There are way too people who want to get pissed at those kneeling or sitting during the anthem, but don’t support the legislation for veterans. I don’t want to get political, but there’s overlap.

 

I believe as Americans we should be outraged at veteran homelessness, their health care cost, etc. That should be the first thing people bring up when we’re talking about respecting our vets, not standing for the national anthem. That’s very low on the list of things I care about when thinking about our vets. 

 

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

The veterans that actually fought in the last meaningful war are far and few between as most of them have died of old age.

War now is nothing more than an attempt to acquire and protect foreign economic corporate interests.

Want to show respect for vets? stop sending them to die for immoral imperial greed.

Want to show vets respect get them mental health care when they return home, provide them with housing healthcare and jobs with livable wages, saluting the flag with out any of the afore mentioned as tribute to vets is just a hollow gesture.

 

 

 

Again guys,  I'm not arguing anything the both of you are saying.  My statement was in reference to the original statement from @WentzFan11 where he stated that we should treat Veterans like "humans"...and part of that is respecting the fact that the majority of them will stand for the National Anthem and they will salute the flag.  Has nothing to do with whether you will stand for the Anthem or salute the flag.  It's whether or not you are willing to respect the fact that they do.

 

Anyway, the timing of this conversation isn't the best now.  The real focus should be on how to prevent want happened to George Floyd now and in the future.  We can get back to the Veterans/National Anthem/Flag conversation at a better time, imo.

 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Well they are also changing the rules about payback.  They are basically revising what constitutes economic need for the loans in order to exclude some businesses from being to opt out of paying them back.  Those revisions may lead to some of these companies laying people off again.  

They are also helping landlords with the changes on how the money can be spent.  

7 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Good stuff - thanks!   I followed a recipe online and was wondering why anyone would use vegetable oil instead of olive oil.   

I actually just started growing basil, cilantro, oregano, and rosemary in our garden in the backyard.  It's my first attempt, so I'm hoping it won't be a disaster.  I even bought a small ghost pepper plant that I'm growing further away for the sole purpose of playing practical jokes on in-laws and other guests.  

  

 

I worry that my cats will think the peppers and tomatoes are toys so I strategically made it so the most accessible pepper to them is the cayenne.  Figure they won’t play with it twice.  

Hey Philly fans. How are ya?

11 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Good stuff - thanks!   I followed a recipe online and was wondering why anyone would use vegetable oil instead of olive oil.   

I actually just started growing basil, cilantro, oregano, and rosemary in our garden in the backyard.  It's my first attempt, so I'm hoping it won't be a disaster.  I even bought a small ghost pepper plant that I'm growing further away for the sole purpose of playing practical jokes on in-laws and other guests.  

  

 

EVOO has a much lower smoke point than, say, avocado oil or corn oil. If you're using a cast iron pan and you heat it up first, the oil will smoke almost immediately. EVOO has a smoke point of 220 degrees, IIRC. Corn oil smokes at 450.

17 hours ago, Utebird said:

Slays tackling scares me. Asante Samuel wasnt known a tackler but he at least gave effort.

i just hope they dont sacrifice tackling for improved coverage.

The coverage is needed and should be prioritized but not to the point where it becomes detrimental to the defense.

 

This should be the least of your worries.  Slay's job as a #1 corner is to be silky smooth in coverage and to shadow whoever he is matched up against with zero help.  I will gladly sacrifice good tackling from the CB position for elite coverage.  

19 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

 

 

Again guys,  I'm not arguing anything the both of you are saying.  My statement was in reference to the original statement from @WentzFan11 where he stated that we should treat Veterans like "humans"...and part of that is respecting the fact that the majority of them will stand for the National Anthem and they will salute the flag.  Has nothing to do with whether you will stand for the Anthem or salute the flag.  It's whether or not you are willing to respect the fact that they do.

 

Anyway, the timing of this conversation isn't the best now.  The real focus should be on how to prevent want happened to George Floyd now and in the future.  We can get back to the Veterans/National Anthem/Flag conversation at a better time, imo.

 

I respect a soldier or a vets and any bodies right to salute the flag just as they should respect my right a an american human not to.

I can respect them as humans without respecting what they do or are asked to do.

One of my best friends is currently in kuwait. She knows my disagreements with current military policy and action she knows i disapprove of her involvement in the military, she knows i dont salute the flag. She also knows i love her as a human and a friend and respect her and will always support her as a human. Ive been to multiple medal ceremonies and service ceremonies for her on military bases and i dont do so in support of the military i do it in support of her as my friend and she knows this because ive told her.

I worry about her every day and i show her respect by voicing my displeasure with the system that puts her in harms way.

32 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

That comment isn’t directed at you specifically and it’s not a straw man argument. There are way too people who want to get pissed at those kneeling or sitting during the anthem, but don’t support the legislation for veterans. I don’t want to get political, but there’s overlap.

 

I believe as Americans we should be outraged at veteran homelessness, their health care cost, etc. That should be the first thing people bring up when we’re talking about respecting our vets, not standing for the national anthem. That’s very low on the list of things I care about when thinking about our vets. 

Fortunately the veterans administration is increasing their budget yearly, specifically the veterans health administration now accounting for over 10% of the annual military/defense budget. However, it is not enough. Mental health in particular (and its co-morbid conditions like drug use, suicide, social anxiety, and especially homelessness) is severely underrepresented accounting for less than 1% of spending. 

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

EVOO has a much lower smoke point than, say, avocado oil or corn oil. If you're using a cast iron pan and you heat it up first, the oil will smoke almost immediately. EVOO has a smoke point of 220 degrees, IIRC. Corn oil smokes at 450.

I mainly use canola oil with my cast iron.   My reference to EVOO was in reference to the marinade he was making. I tend to use light olive oil and butter when i sauté.  Most sauces that I reduce have EVOO if I use any oil.  I don’t really save the bacon grease anymore although there are times I wish I did.  

17 minutes ago, hputenis said:

This should be the least of your worries.  Slay's job as a #1 corner is to be silky smooth in coverage and to shadow whoever he is matched up against with zero help.  I will gladly sacrifice good tackling from the CB position for elite coverage.  

I dont mind the inability to tackle as much as the lack of effort to tackle.

I think that can be detrimental to a team.

9 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I respect a soldier or a vets and any bodies right to salute the flag just as they should respect my right a an american human not to.

I can respect them as humans without respecting what they do or are asked to do.

One of my best friends is currently in kuwait. She knows my disagreements with current military policy and action she knows i disapprove of her involvement in the military, she knows i dont salute the flag. She also knows i love her as a human and a friend and respect her and will always support her as a human. Ive been to multiple medal ceremonies and service ceremonies for her on military bases and i dont do so in support of the military i do it in support of her as my friend and she knows this because ive told her.

I worry about her every day and i show her respect by voicing my displeasure with the system that puts her in harms way.

That's fair enough and that was basically the question I was asking.  👍

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I mainly use canola oil with my cast iron.   My reference to EVOO was in reference to the marinade he was making. I tend to use light olive oil and butter when i sauté.  Most sauces that I reduce have EVOO if I use any oil.  I don’t really save the bacon grease anymore although there are times I wish I did.  

My dads mom used to cook everything in bacon grease😊 she also had 7 by pass heart surgery😳

I cook with olive oli because as far as fats go its healthier than corn oil or canola oil. Canolo oil is a man made oil produced originally in Canada, thus the Can in Oil. Its highly processed.

Ive used peanut oil in the past but never coconut or avocado oil.

I do dislike the low burn temp of olive oil but i dislike the health content of corn or canola oil more and despise soy bean oil. But to each their own!

48 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

That comment isn’t directed at you specifically and it’s not a straw man argument. There are way too people who want to get pissed at those kneeling or sitting during the anthem, but don’t support the legislation for veterans. I don’t want to get political, but there’s overlap.

 

I believe as Americans we should be outraged at veteran homelessness, their health care cost, etc. That should be the first thing people bring up when we’re talking about respecting our vets, not standing for the national anthem. That’s very low on the list of things I care about when thinking about our vets. 

Can people be concerned with both? Why do you assume they aren't?  

19 minutes ago, hputenis said:

This should be the least of your worries.  Slay's job as a #1 corner is to be silky smooth in coverage and to shadow whoever he is matched up against with zero help.  I will gladly sacrifice good tackling from the CB position for elite coverage.  

Can you say Assante ?

29 minutes ago, MrGreenBay said:

Hey Philly fans. How are ya?

See's conversation.

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I mainly use canola oil with my cast iron.   My reference to EVOO was in reference to the marinade he was making. I tend to use light olive oil and butter when i sauté.  Most sauces that I reduce have EVOO if I use any oil.  I don’t really save the bacon grease anymore although there are times I wish I did.  

I figured you knew that. I hear you about bacon grease. When my wife and I were on our honeymoon we went to the Jazz and Heritage Festival in New Orleans. It was held on two consecutive weekends and during the intervening week we went down to the Gulf. En route we stopped in a little diner in Mississippi where I had the best pancakes I've ever tasted. The secret ingredient was, of course, bacon grease. If I lived nearby I'd have had a heart attack years ago, they tasted that good. If @greend tasted them he wouldn't be lecturing us about healthy foods and moderation.

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

My dads mom used to cook everything in bacon grease😊 she also had 7 by pass heart surgery😳

I cook with olive oli because as far as fats go its healthier than corn oil or canola oil. 

I use olive oil in about 90% of the dishes that I make.  It’s healthier and it tastes better in most dishes.  Of course, there’s certain dishes that just need bacon or butter, etc but if I can use olive oil without taking away from the dish, I will always go that route. 

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Can you say Assante ?

After watching Rasul, Mills, Maddox and Jones plus insert practice squad guys in here and there i would GLADLY take Asante Samuel and his poor tackling just to have his coverage and ball skills.