6 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

As Americans we have a right to salute the flag.

As Americans we have the right not to salute the flag. In fact, the Supreme Court has opined that we have the right to burn the flag.

What we do not have is the right not to be offended. Possible offense is the cost of free speech.

Given that both activities are protected by law, saluting the flag does not make you a better American and "disrespecting” the flag does not make you a lesser American.

Who said it did?

Just now, justrelax said:

Teasing.

I knew that.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Who said it did?

 

Many in these very pages.

Just now, Desertbirds said:

Many in these very pages.

People said that others were lesser Americans? I missed that I guess.

18 minutes ago, greend said:

So answer the questions that I asked is my point.But to your point , Are there ways that I can bring positive change without disrespecting my country and it's flag? Pretty ridiculous for you to think that your disrespect of the flag is the only way to make a difference in fact I would say that it brings forth more division.

First off how am i disrespecting the flag? Secondly if i am its a flag, its a piece of fabric on a pole, what matters is what it represents, which is the values of the country. The values this country were founded on are freedom liberty and justice for all to name a few. When the countries actions no longer represents those values than neither does its flag.

I refuse to pledge my allegiance or salute the flag of a country that doesnt match the values its supposed to match.

The Na$i flag represented a certain set of ideals. if i were in germany and didnt morally agree with those ideals i wouldnt salute that flag. I would openly be against those ideals and the saluting of that flag which supports those ideals, in which case i would have been jailed and or put to death.

In America i can choose to protest those ideals I dont agree with that are represented by my countries flag without fear of death or imprisonment.

Im not sorry my kneeling or not saluting the flag offends or angers people im sorry more people arent angry about the climate in america that no longer represents the moral values that flag originally represented.

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Kempski seems to suggest that Jalen Mills will be given the SS role.  I am not as convinced.  I think there will be an open competition between Mills, Park and Wallace with the best of the losers in that competition getting most of the snaps as the third S.  

With the lack of OTA's, I can't see Wallace coming in right away to win the majority of the snaps as a rookie.  The Jenkins replacement is such a complicated position in this D, that I think Mills will even struggle to fully grasp all of his responsibilities right away.  I have high hopes for Wallace (maybe even late in his rookie season), but that's asking a lot for a 4th round rookie.  

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

First off how am i disrespecting the flag? Secondly if i am its a flag, its a piece if fabric on a pole, what matters it what it represents, which is the values of the country. The values this country were founded on are peace liberty and justice for all to name a few. When the countries actions no longer represents those values than neither does its flag.

I refuse to pledge my allegiance or salute the flag of a country that doesnt match the values its supposed to match.

The Na$i flag represented a certain set of ideals if i were in germany and didnt morally agree with those ideals i wouldnt salute that flag i would openly be against those ideals and the saluting of that flag in support of those ideals in whixh case i would have been jailed and or put to death.

In America i can choose to protest those ideal i dont agree with that are represented by my countries flag without fear of death or imprisonment.

Im not sorry my kneeling or not saluting the flag offends or angers people im sorry more people arent angry about the climate in america that no longer represents the moral values that flag originally represented.

First, Duh.

Second just the reason that you can be disrespectful to it is the same damn reason you shouldn't be.

Now tell me why I can't cause effective change without being disrespectful? Because so far you haven't answered any of my questions.

 

42 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

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 Asante was really good when he was here.  I would take Asante Samuel (In his prime)  over the majority of CB’s in the league right now.  
 

Unfortunately as fans, we tend to remember when a guy missed a tackle vs the dozens of big plays, interceptions, broken up passes, etc he made while he was here. 

I don't think he was criticizing Asante, rather just emphasizing the point I made earlier about great cover guys that can't/won't tackle.  They're worth every penny.  

41 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I figured you knew that. I hear you about bacon grease. When my wife and I were on our honeymoon we went to the Jazz and Heritage Festival in New Orleans. It was held on two consecutive weekends and during the intervening week we went down to the Gulf. En route we stopped in a little diner in Mississippi where I had the best pancakes I've ever tasted. The secret ingredient was, of course, bacon grease. If I lived nearby I'd have had a heart attack years ago, they tasted that good. If @greend tasted them he wouldn't be lecturing us about healthy foods and moderation.

Yep.  Love hash browns with sautéed onions cooked in butter in the pan or on the griddle that the bacon just left.  Drain the grease but don’t wipe the pan. And, of course, the bacon.  Very rarely eat them but the flavor is so good.  My favorite pancakes were always the ones from the cast iron skillet camping that followed the bacon.  

25 minutes ago, greend said:

First, Duh.

Second just the reason that you can be disrespectful to it is the same damn reason you shouldn't be.

Now tell me why I can't cause effective change without being disrespectful? Because so far you haven't answered any of my questions.

 

so refusing to pledge or salute ideals i dont agree with is disrespectful to those ideals? 

I totally agree. Would you rather i disrepect my self and my ideals by pledging and saluting to a flag that doesnt represent my ideals???

The disagreement isnt over to salute or not to salute its over our different views of what this country is and was and what we think it should be going forward.

If Americans were respectful they would have brought the union jack with them and pledged allegiance to the queen and mother land, but they werent respectful far from it, they didnt respect those ideals so they made their own and started a new country of their own and were branded as traitors.

Call me a traitor to the current ideals of America of corruption greed inequality and racism, but ill never be a traitor to the original cause that the American flag represented because i whole heartedly  believe in freedom liberty and justice for all and until the country again reflects those values in action not hollow words i will continue to kneel. 

How does saluting the flag effect positive change???

49 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You can deep fry with light olive oil. The smoke point is as high as corn oil.

I use light olive oil for sautéing but I haven’t tried for deep frying in my cast iron pan. I will give it a try.  

19 minutes ago, greend said:

First, Duh.

Second just the reason that you can be disrespectful to it is the same damn reason you shouldn't be.

Now tell me why I can't cause effective change without being disrespectful? Because so far you haven't answered any of my questions.

 

never said you cant cause  effective change without being disrespectful.

Was muhammad Ali being disrespectful when he refused to fight a white mans immoral war?

Was MLK being disrespectful when he called out racism? Seems white supremacist felt disrespected?

Were german dissenters disrespectful when they refused to kill jews? im sure hitler felt disrespected

 

58 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

My bet is Parks gets the job to start the season.  He actually played the position in Denver, though it might have been limited in scope compared to what Jenkins did as a SS.

He wasn’t the regular starter in Denver and he was signed pretty cheaply.  I think he is in the competition.  

Bummer. It’s a phenomenal sports site. 

Just wanted to say thank you to the blog for attempting to civilly engage with me and challenging my thoughts and allowing me to challenge yours.

I very much appreciate the dialogue with yall and being able to have an out let for my voice and a place to learn and improve that voice and have difficult discussions and having a safe-ish place to have a voice whether politics cooking or the off chance football😉

 

 

29 minutes ago, Utebird said:

so refusing to pledge or salute ideals i dont agree with is disrespectful to those ideals? 

I totally agree. Would you rather i disrepect my self and my ideals by pledging and saluting to a flag that doesnt represent my ideals???

The disagreement isnt over to salute or not to salute its over our different views of what this country is and was and what we think it should be going forward.

If Americans were respectful they would have brought the union jack with them and pledged allegiance to the queen and mother land, but they werent respectful far from it, they didnt respect those ideals so they made their own and started a new country of their own and were branded as traitors.

Call me a traitor to the current ideals of America of corruption greed inequality and racism, but ill never be a traitor to the original cause that the American flag represented because i whole heartedly  believe in freedom liberty and justice for all and until the country again reflects those values in action not hollow words i will continue to kneel. 

How does saluting the flag effect positive change???

Who says it has to? Can I effect change in my own way or do I have to disrespect the flag that many have carried in battle and died IN BATTLE defending?  Yes , you have the right to protest in whatever way you see fit............................thanks to this great country that doesn't fit your "ideals".  

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Just wanted to say thank you to the blog for attempting to civilly engage with me and challenging my thoughts and allowing me to challenge yours.

I very much appreciate the dialogue with yall and being able to have an out let for my voice and a place to learn and improve that voice and have difficult discussions and having a safe-ish place to have a voice whether politics cooking or the off chance football😉

 

 

posted something similar this morning.  I think we have had a great discussion about topics that we all have differing thoughts and beliefs on.  It's great to engage in actual conversation to learn what others think.  I wish the country could do the same.  I wish social media could do the same rather than belittle anyone with opposing viewpoints.

Well done message board.

29 minutes ago, Utebird said:

never said you cant cause  effective change without being disrespectful.

Was muhammad Ali being disrespectful when he refused to fight a white mans immoral war?

Was MLK being disrespectful when he called out racism? Seems white supremacist felt disrespected?

Were german dissenters disrespectful when they refused to kill jews? im sure hitler felt disrespected

 

What do your questions have to do with the discussion? Did I say anywhere that you couldn't protest? I just don't agree with the way you have chosen and find it more divisive. In answer to your above questions though. Yes, No, and No. That said I'm not a white supremacist or hitler.

I kinda feel like I've beaten this to death so I'm not going to argue , debate, or respond anymore. We probably have discussed this enough in here. 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Bummer. It’s a phenomenal sports site. 

That's terrible news.  I hope that they will be able to continue.  

53 minutes ago, hputenis said:

With the lack of OTA's, I can't see Wallace coming in right away to win the majority of the snaps as a rookie.  The Jenkins replacement is such a complicated position in this D, that I think Mills will even struggle to fully grasp all of his responsibilities right away.  I have high hopes for Wallace (maybe even late in his rookie season), but that's asking a lot for a 4th round rookie.  

None of the players looking at the SS type position have played it in the Eagles defense. Maybe a touch for Mills.  All have played it in college and Parks has some time in it at Denver.   Frankly, it is a toss up between Epps and Maddox as to who has the next most time at S after Rodney in the Eagles defense.  I don’t know that the lack of OTAs is much of a factor in the competition as all lost that on the field aspect.  Hauck is a holdover coach for Ss but Manuel is new and Vasso promoted.  I expect the Manuel pass defense may look a bit different than the Undlin pass defense.  I suspect the depth chart for team play for that position to start camp is Mills then Parks then Wallace but I also suspect that may change by the time.  Wild cards include, who backs up Rodney and who is third S. When Rodney first signed there was a lot of talk about how Schwartz like interchangeable Ss.  This year the coaches have talked about positionless DB positions. Lots of questions on how they play and scheme pass defense that won’t be answered until the play real games since they play vanilla defense in the PS that puts players on islands to hone skills and test limits..

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

As Americans we have a right to salute the flag.

As Americans we have the right not to salute the flag. In fact, the Supreme Court has opined that we have the right to burn the flag.

What we do not have is the right not to be offended. Possible offense is the cost of free speech.

Given that both activities are protected by law, saluting the flag does not make you a better American and "disrespecting” the flag does not make you a lesser American.

Justice Brandeis's take on the 1st Amendment:

Those who won our independence believed that the final end of the State was to make men free to develop their faculties; and that in its government the deliberative forces should prevail over the arbitrary. They valued liberty both as an end and as a means. They believed liberty to be the secret of happiness and courage to be the secret of liberty. They believed that freedom to think as you will and to speak as you think are means indispensable to the discovery and spread of political truth; that without free speech and assembly discussion would be futile; that with them, discussion affords ordinarily adequate protection against the dissemination of noxious doctrine; that the greatest menace to freedom is an inert people; that public discussion is a political duty; and that this should be a fundamental principle of the American government.

Men feared witches and burnt women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears.

Those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. To courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present, unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence. 

20 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

posted something similar this morning.  I think we have had a great discussion about topics that we all have differing thoughts and beliefs on.  It's great to engage in actual conversation to learn what others think.  I wish the country could do the same.  I wish social media could do the same rather than belittle anyone with opposing viewpoints.

Well done message board.

One of the greatest things I've ever done in my life is not join social media.  

It's a fake universe and when everyone in the world has access to say and post mean, racist, derogatory, hateful things, it doesnt help how people view each other.

1 hour ago, greend said:

I lectured no one. I love food too, just trying to learn to eat a bit healthier.

Agreed.  Literally in the last two days, my wife received the news that she's sitting on the precipice of Type II Diabetes.  We are making arrangements right now to change our eating habits... but I will tell you one thing, neither one of us are going to be sacrificing flavor for health benefits.     We are going to find the tasty healthy food, and not force down wheatgrass smoothies because its healthy.  It needs to be both healthy and delicious, or it gets tossed to the side.  The other side of it is portion ratios... more from the leafy green side, and a little bit less from the amazingly delicious but fattier side.  Fortunately, I have a backyard garden producing a lot of leafy greens right now.  

 

Had a wonderful romaine, celery and beet root salad last night... with sauteed beet greens with garlic on the side.   That was paired with spaghetti and meatballs.  My plate, which would normally have been 3/4 spaghetti and meatballs was only 1/2 spaghetti and meatballs.  My wife's plate was 1/4 spaghetti and 3 meatballs.   She didn't finish the spaghetti.   I did.  But, when I went back for seconds... I went back for seconds of everything, greens and spaghetti.  

 

My changes to my eating habits are really about supporting her in her changes.  I am a big man, and I will always be a big man.  I could stand to lose 30 lbs... but doing so, won't change the fact that I am still a big man.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

My changes to my eating habits are really about supporting her in her changes.  I am a big man, and I will always be a big man.  I could stand to lose 30 lbs... but doing so, won't change the fact that I am still a big man.

46 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Just wanted to say thank you to the blog for attempting to civilly engage with me and challenging my thoughts and allowing me to challenge yours.

I very much appreciate the dialogue with yall and being able to have an out let for my voice and a place to learn and improve that voice and have difficult discussions and having a safe-ish place to have a voice whether politics cooking or the off chance football😉

 

 

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33 minutes ago, greend said:

I kinda feel like I've beaten this to death so I'm not going to argue , debate, or respond anymore. We probably have discussed this enough in here. 

Agreend