Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Brooks is fine. There's tons of videos on his social media of him working out. 

I cant imagine Hall being anywhere close to healthy. He tore his ACL on 12/30. Depending on how long it took for swelling to go down for surgery he's likely only 6 months removed. Probably going to start the season on PUP i'd imagine. 

I thought the same thing but based on the photos of the DL working out with Cox he was there with no brace on his knee.  Now it's a still photo of him just standing there but there was no brace.  To me that's a good sign. Now he could just be there for the comradery or very light rehab we don't know.  Everyone heals different.  I agree it's a longshot for him to be ready by week 1. This is where updates from the Eagles would be nice!

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think we also have to have realistic expectations for certain guys.  Sweat proved last year that he is GREAT against the run.  He improved and had what 4 sacks?  I would be more than happy if he was a situational end getting 6-8 sacks plus providing great run support.  I think he has starting potential however.

Miller, Hall, Ostman, Avery our expectations should be good rotational guys.  Ostman, I think could be a great situational rusher bringing that energy against tired OL.

Barnett just needs to be healthy and better.

I dont know that he was great against the run. I think it was fran duffy that did a breakdown recently if sweat, indicating that sweat tends to struggle holding the point.

Biggest advantage sweat has is his long arms to keep OL hands off him and his speed but if an OL does get hands on him sweat doesnt have any counter moves and not enough power to win.

Sweat also does this really weird thing where he jumps into the OT in an attempt to jump over or past the OT. Its never worked and not sure why it would. Not sure if its just a bad habit or on purpose but its really odd to see and totally ineffective.

If Sweat can develop some more pass rush moves and get better at holding the point he has the athleticism and length to be better.

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I dont know that he was great against the run. I think it was fran duffy that did a breakdown recently if sweat, indicating that sweat tends to struggle holding the point.

Biggest advantage sweat has is his long arms to keep OL hands off him and his speed but if an OL does get hands on him sweat doesnt have any counter moves and not enough power to win.

Sweat also does this really weird thing where he jumps into the OT in an attempt to jump over or past the OT. Its never worked and not sure why it would. Not sure if its just a bad habit or on purpose but its really odd to see and totally ineffective.

If Sweat can develop some more pass rush moves and get better at holding the point he has the athleticism and length to be better.

Hmm, I thought someone else posted a video showing his success in the run game.

Regarding jumping in the OT.  My personal thoughts on this are that he doesn't trust his knee 100% so his technique and form suffer as he tries to still overcompensate to avoid getting hurt.  

This is obviously a put up or shut up year for several Eagles.

Barnett and Sidney Jones being the top 2. JJAW needs to make a big leap to at least be productive. Mailata has gotten a bit of a pass because of where he was drafted but if he cant be a contributor this year even as a first backup it's time to cut him loose too.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

You just said there are good and bad cops and now you lump them all together again and ask on specific individuals who do they "protect and serve"? Most of the time it's you, because as I stated without them would be chaos. Are you arguing just to argue?  Nobody anywhere in this whole thread has said that changes don't need to be made. Stop acting like cops are only there to protect the rich. 

 

again never claimed thats there only function nor did i claim all cops are bad. 

Its not the cops its the systemic issues due to hundreds of years of police culture.

Ive witnessed plenty instances of cops doing good and helping that doesnt discount the bad, it doesnt discount their history when they continue to engage the same way they did 100 years ago.

Im not really in the mood to talk about this anymore id rather talk about football now.

Id encourage you to look up the history of policing in america its orgins and purpose and think about how if its changed.

I will take your remarks and challenge my own views on policing and the things i think think. Thank you for the civil conversation its appreciated even if our views are different.

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I thought the same thing but based on the photos of the DL working out with Cox he was there with no brace on his knee.  Now it's a still photo of him just standing there but there was no brace.  To me that's a good sign. Now he could just be there for the comradery or very light rehab we don't know.  Everyone heals different.  I agree it's a longshot for him to be ready by week 1. This is where updates from the Eagles would be nice!

Get ready for the least updated offseason ever. 

I couldn't even make out which one was Hall in that photo. He grew up in Texas so I wonder if he just lives there in the offseason or he flew out their specifically to be with the team. 

50 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

Don't worry, I did as well and I am 29... I am computer challenged though

How are you doing with your glut of zucchini?

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Hmm, I thought someone else posted a video showing his success in the run game.

Regarding jumping in the OT.  My personal thoughts on this are that he doesn't trust his knee 100% so his technique and form suffer as he tries to still overcompensate to avoid getting hurt.  

lol yeah im sure someone did. I think i remember sometime last year a video showing how well sweat was doing against the run.

This could explain why evaluations on players are so different from team to team and even scout to scout on same team.

I remember thinking sweat looked pretty good against the run, he was no brandon graham, i thought there were too many times on pass rush where his first move didnt work and he was just done.

Not trusting his knee would explain the jumping. I do a lot of unorthodox things in basketball to protect my knee because its shredded so i get that.

If his knee is still an issue than at this point it always will be but they knew this when drafting him, his knee injuries are well documented.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

lol yeah im sure someone did. I think i remember sometime last year a video showing how well sweat was doing against the run.

This could explain why evaluations on players are so different from team to team and even scout to scout on same team.

I remember thinking sweat looked pretty good against the run, he was no brandon graham, i thought there were too many times on pass rush where his first move didnt work and he was just done.

Not trusting his knee would explain the jumping. I do a lot of unorthodox things in basketball to protect my knee because its shredded so i get that.

If his knee is still an issue than at this point it always will be but they knew this when drafting him, his knee injuries are well documented.

With your knee...it's in your head now right?  You do unorthodox things to protect your knee, not because it's still hurt correct?  I think that's the case for Josh Sweat.  It's 100% mental.   He was cleared prior to the draft with a healthy knee from what I recall.  There is no reason for him to wear the brace other than to give himself a sense of security.  I don't think we've seen Sweat play at his 100% game speed yet.  It's just not possible to do when in the back of your mind you're trying to protect yourself from injury.  

7 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

This is obviously a put up or shut up year for several Eagles.

Barnett and Sidney Jones being the top 2. JJAW needs to make a big leap to at least be productive. Mailata has gotten a bit of a pass because of where he was drafted but if he cant be a contributor this year even as a first backup it's time to cut him loose too.

I totally agree.

Sidney Jones played very little last year but towards the end of the year with the limited snaps he did get he made some plays. Can he do that for a full year or was it an anomaly?

Barnett was the 14th pick and his high in sacks is what 6.5? Thats not a good return on ones investment.

JJAWs future looks bleak, hopefully he can turn it around. He had some opportunities to make some big plays, lions game comes to mind, and he didnt.

I agree with Mailata as well. Everyone knew he would be a project well now is year 3 time to put that project into action.

I think this is a put up or shut up year for Mills as well. Hes on a 1 year prove it deal, is it a prove it to the eagles orva prove it to the rest of the paying league. We know schwartz loves him does he love him enough to convince howie to give him a multi year contract?

14 minutes ago, Utebird said:

i find it disjointed that someone with a person that has been involved in politics seems to have a pretty good grasp of history seems so oblivious about the history of police in america.

One can disagree with irresponsible immoral spending on military which is the largest socially funded entity in the world and still be in favor of responsible socially funded programs. Interesting that when i bring up social policy im spouting but when someone talks in the same vein about capitalism theyre just expressing their views.As for the police as a social program, you are correct, so are bank bail outs, corprate subsidies and lifetime health care for politicians and all the money we send to israel. Which im not sure is included in military budget. It makes me happy that my taxes continue to give israel billions of dollars to blow up palestinians but i cant get affordable healthcare for my kids😒

You know just as i do the difference between military as socialism and healthcare as Socialism lets not conflate the two.

As for more government involvement, not all politicians are democrats or republican though they may operate under that moniker. Not all social programs are run by the government. 

Canada universal health care isnt run by the government its funded by the people through collected tax by the government and managed by agencies separate of government, much like most social programs arent directly managed by the government.

The same people that decry social programs are the same people that benefit from them every day. Public roads, public water works, public schools, post office, public libraries, police department, fire department, local government, SS, medicare ect...i didnt hear anybody decrying the evils of socialism when they were cashing out their 1200$ stimulus checks!

As for questioning authority i agree. As for the bricks i disagree. I have never in my life seen a pallet of bricks just lying around unless around a construction site and even then they are secure to keep people from stealing them or damaging them. The pics ive seen one my cousin sent me from SLC where she lives was just a random pallet of bricks next to a road where protesters were planning on marching, there are no construction sites around no logical reason for a new full pallet of unused bricks in the middle of a protest march. did the police put it there? Who knows it didnt say SLCPD on it,maybe it was white supremacist or anarchists or antifa or maybe the government. The reason? To bait protesters in to engaging in violence against police so police can justify using force against civilian protestors. As for journalism again if all media lie its not logical to claim an outlier honest journalist to support ones narrative and suggest other media and journalist are crooks to disprove a narrative one doesnt agree with its not congruent.

This is myopic.  I have been on the front lines of protests.  I was doing so early on as a teenager against The Vietnam War.  I will say my behavior (screams and rants) was not ideal and neither was the police behavior. I am embarrassed that I was too scared to participate in civil rights marches. Not scared of the participants but of those that might take action against them.  I have seen enforcement of sundown laws and brothers getting felony convictions for a few roaches in the ashtray of a car.  I have seen mandatory minimums where crack was somehow a worse possession drug than cocaine.   I got more than one ticket or stop in my youth because of my appearance. (Just weren’t many of us with long hair back then in Texas). I have been subject to having my car searched on a few occasions because of that back then.  Yes I was profiled.  Imagine being a person of color.  

But I have also seen changes.  The Houston Police Department today looks nothing like the police department of my youth.  I also started to make friends with officers and still do today.  I have done a ride along.  I have been part of a governmental body that budgeted, paid for and made decisions regarding our police department Including training. I can honestly say there is not an officer on our force with less training than a barber and continuing training is part of the job. I have a letter from the Chief on our policy on restraints and force. I am confident my police treat everyone with respect and dignity.  Maybe if you took a look at the other side you would see things without prejudgment. 

As for the bricks, I no more believe they were placed by the police than by some "Antifa” whose very existence I doubt. I am done with that conversation.  I will try to withdraw from this conversation overall as I am pretty sure I understand where you sit. I am not going to change your mind and you aren’t likely to further influence mine.

BTW, I donated my check from the government and more, mostly to local food banks as that was the best way I could think of to help people adversely impacted by the pandemic and resulting shutdown. I don’t need the money. 

28 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I dont know that he was great against the run. I think it was fran duffy that did a breakdown recently if sweat, indicating that sweat tends to struggle holding the point.

Biggest advantage sweat has is his long arms to keep OL hands off him and his speed but if an OL does get hands on him sweat doesnt have any counter moves and not enough power to win.

Sweat also does this really weird thing where he jumps into the OT in an attempt to jump over or past the OT. Its never worked and not sure why it would. Not sure if its just a bad habit or on purpose but its really odd to see and totally ineffective.

If Sweat can develop some more pass rush moves and get better at holding the point he has the athleticism and length to be better.

Look at his year one pass rush moves and his year 2 moves. Night and Day... we can only hope he continues to develop them

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

With your knee...it's in your head now right?  You do unorthodox things to protect your knee, not because it's still hurt correct?  I think that's the case for Josh Sweat.  It's 100% mental.   He was cleared prior to the draft with a healthy knee from what I recall.  There is no reason for him to wear the brace other than to give himself a sense of security.  I don't think we've seen Sweat play at his 100% game speed yet.  It's just not possible to do when in the back of your mind you're trying to protect yourself from injury.  

No it still hurts. I have a genetic thing runs in my moms side of the family that goes back generations of shallow knee sockets which allows for more knee cao movement than normal. Ive dislocated my right knee cap 6 times and my left one twice. First time indislocated it i was 12 and my knees have hurt ever since. I tore up my left knee playing basketball when i was 26 and had a surgery called patellar dearrangement surgery. Basically the doc cut my patella tendon an re arranged my knee cap away from what he described to me as the largest chunk of torn cartilage he had ever removed. My knee hurts all the time cartilage doesnt grow back and before the lost cartilage and when i was younger they hurt. I dont play much ball anymore simply because the pain outweighs the joy i get from playing b ball😞 So i understand Sweat protecting his knee by doing weird things like jumping into an OL. Hopefully his knees wont limit him too much.

53 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

It's Sidney, by the way. Not Sydney.

Spellcheck on my IPad. Guess it is thinking of Australia. I don’t catch all of them. Made Ivanka into Ivan yesterday. Not even consistent probably because it "learns”. 

No one called him Sidneys or Sydneys, so, progress 

20 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I totally agree.

Sidney Jones played very little last year but towards the end of the year with the limited snaps he did get he made some plays. Can he do that for a full year or was it an anomaly?

Barnett was the 14th pick and his high in sacks is what 6.5? Thats not a good return on ones investment.

JJAWs future looks bleak, hopefully he can turn it around. He had some opportunities to make some big plays, lions game comes to mind, and he didnt.

I agree with Mailata as well. Everyone knew he would be a project well now is year 3 time to put that project into action.

I think this is a put up or shut up year for Mills as well. Hes on a 1 year prove it deal, is it a prove it to the eagles orva prove it to the rest of the paying league. We know schwartz loves him does he love him enough to convince howie to give him a multi year contract?

For a prove it year Mills sure put himself in an interesting position by moving to safety.

Has he ever played there even in college?

2 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

For a prove it year Mills sure put himself in an interesting position by moving to safety.

Has he ever played there even in college?

yeah mills was a safety at LSU

3 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

yeah mills was a safety at LSU

TY. I didn't know that.

 

27 minutes ago, Utebird said:

No it still hurts. I have a genetic thing runs in my moms side of the family that goes back generations of shallow knee sockets which allows for more knee cao movement than normal. Ive dislocated my right knee cap 6 times and my left one twice. First time indislocated it i was 12 and my knees have hurt ever since. I tore up my left knee playing basketball when i was 26 and had a surgery called patellar dearrangement surgery. Basically the doc cut my patella tendon an re arranged my knee cap away from what he described to me as the largest chunk of torn cartilage he had ever removed. My knee hurts all the time cartilage doesnt grow back and before the lost cartilage and when i was younger they hurt. I dont play much ball anymore simply because the pain outweighs the joy i get from playing b ball😞 So i understand Sweat protecting his knee by doing weird things like jumping into an OL. Hopefully his knees wont limit him too much.

Yikes, that doesn't sound fun at all.

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No one called him Sidneys or Sydneys, so, progress 

Exactly.  I would much rather have a first name spelled wrong instead of adding or subtracting an S to certain names.

47 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

This is myopic.  I have been on the front lines of protests.  I was doing so early on as a teenager against The Vietnam War.  I will say my behavior (screams and rants) was not ideal and neither was the police behavior. I am embarrassed that I was too scared to participate in civil rights marches. Not scared of the participants but of those that might take action against them.  I have seen enforcement of sundown laws and brothers getting felony convictions for a few roaches in the ashtray of a car.  I have seen mandatory minimums where crack was somehow a worse possession drug than cocaine.   I got more than one ticket or stop in my youth because of my appearance. (Just weren’t many of us with long hair back then in Texas). I have been subject to having my car searched on a few occasions because of that back then.  Yes I was profiled.  Imagine being a person of color.  

But I have also seen changes.  The Houston Police Department today looks nothing like the police department of my youth.  I also started to make friends with officers and still do today.  I have done a ride along.  I have been part of a governmental body that budgeted, paid for and made decisions regarding our police department Including training. I can honestly say there is not an officer on our force with less training than a barber and continuing training is part of the job. I have a letter from the Chief on our policy on restraints and force. I am confident my police treat everyone with respect and dignity.  Maybe if you took a look at the other side you would see things without prejudgment. 

As for the bricks, I no more believe they were placed by the police than by some "Antifa” whose very existence I doubt. I am done with that conversation.  I will try to withdraw from this conversation overall as I am pretty sure I understand where you sit. I am not going to change your mind and you aren’t likely to further influence mine.

BTW, I donated my check from the government and more, mostly to local food banks as that was the best way I could think of to help people adversely impacted by the pandemic and resulting shutdown. I don’t need the money. 

thats awesome im glad you are able to help and be productive in your community and involved with positive change with police in your community i value your insight from your personal experience wasnt around for civil rights marches, closest experience i have is watching rodney king riots on tv as a kid unfold and later occupy wall street.

I have my own experiences with cops some good some bad. I have known people that are or were cops and i could see why being a cop was alluring to them, majority of cops fit a certain profile. I try not to let my negative experiences with cops effect my over all view of policing in america. I can imagine what its like to be a person of color. Im white but i have a darker complexion ive been asked on many occasions if i were native american or mexican. After 911 more people asked me if i were middle eastern. Im mostly of irish and scottish descent. So i have an inkling of what its like but not what its like to be a black person in america. Ive spent a year in jail, and 3 years on probation. I met good cops and a lot of miserable cops and guards and probation officers and through it all i dont hold any grudges against cops they were doing the best they knew how with what they had and i broke the law so...having said that it also made me more aware of how unfair the justice system is towards minorities. I lived in utah. Utah has a very low black population probably under 5% yet the black population in jail is closer to 50% with a large % of the rest being other minorities. This isnt by chance its on purpose and its something thats bern going on far longer than ive been a live.

As long as the system allows minorities to be unequally treated by police law enforcement and the judicial system ill continue to bring it to the light and voice my displeasure with that system rather than respect a corrupt systemic culture.

I probably have an overactive sense of justice because of my own experiences of justice and instead of narrowing my scope into calls for people to be held to the demands of justice im more inclined to call for the police to be held to the demands of justice.

I hope this point in time will be a starting point to enact long over due positive changes in our current criminal justice and police system. I hope that we as people can affect those changes justly and that we can all just get along😊

18 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

For a prove it year Mills sure put himself in an interesting position by moving to safety.

Has he ever played there even in college?

yeah he played safety in college as well as corner.

Pre draft most actually projected him as a safety because of his slow 40 time.

If Mills, Wallace and Parks all develop they could be in good shape moving forward.  Granted Mills and Parks are both on 1-year deals.  In my mind this is probably Rodney's last year as an Eagle, haven't looked at his contract structure but I don't see him around after 2020.  

Mills and Wallace could be interchangeable on as the nickel safety/Malcolm role with Parks taking over for Rodney.  

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If Mills, Wallace and Parks all develop they could be in good shape moving forward.  Granted Mills and Parks are both on 1-year deals.  In my mind this is probably Rodney's last year as an Eagle, haven't looked at his contract structure but I don't see him around after 2020.  

Mills and Wallace could be interchangeable on as the nickel safety/Malcolm role with Parks taking over for Rodney.  

yup. Im surprised Kvon Wallace went as far down in the draft as he did. I think hes a complete steal.

From what i understand he slid because he didnt really fit a specific position. He wasnt a deep safety or a box safety or a traditional slot but he played all 3 in college and i think schwartz sees a lot of value in positionless dbs who can perform a variet of tasks and it seems defenses around the league are trending that way as well so i was surprised he didnt go higher. Glad he didnt

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

In my mind this is probably Rodney's last year as an Eagle, haven't looked at his contract structure but I don't see him around after 2020.  

Mills and Wallace could be interchangeable on as the nickel safety/Malcolm role with Parks taking over for Rodney.  

His contract seems to be specifically structured so that he is here for 2021 as well.