4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Barnett didn't have a spin move when he entered the NFL, and now he does. He also uses a push-pull move, which he did not have in college either.

The push-pull is the 2nd play in the clip. That was right before he got hurt. He was playing well in 2018 before the shoulder injury. 

And it was against Taylor Lewan, not some backup LT or TE.   It was an impressive play.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Barnett didn't have a spin move when he entered the NFL, and now he does. He also uses a push-pull move, which he did not have in college either.

The push-pull is the 2nd play in the clip. That was right before he got hurt. He was playing well in 2018 before the shoulder injury. 

Having a spin move and having an effective spin move are two different things. Dwight freeney had a spin move, Barnett? Not so much

4 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I think this is a poor argument. If you want to go down that path, you should argue that the Eagles valued "Reagor plus Hurts" more than Lamb. In your equation, you're excluding Reagor completely.

But even then, it's never been verified that the Falcons would have agreed to that proposal anyway.

Don't let facts get in the way of a post-draft day gripe.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Washburn coached over Schwartz as well.  Schwartz was just a Def assistant with Tennessee when Washburn was the DL coach and that's when he developed (Schwartz, not Washburn) the Wide-9... which was designed as a run defense, specifically to stop the Outside Zone of Indy.   It was so effective, that he moved up to LB coach, and then leapfrogged Washburn at Tennessee, before he went to Detroit as the HC.

 

I know that folks around here get frustrated with Schwartz at times... but I truly do believe that he's a darn good DC, and its good having him.  He has his warts, as done any coach, but there's far far worse.  

I've been giving Schwartz a pass on Cover-1 -3, because of what he had at CB.  You can't really compare him to JJ.  Johnson had Troy, Bobby, Lito, Asante.  Sheldon, who would be fifth on JJ's list is better than anyone Schwartz ever had.

Now that we have Slay, a fairer judgement of Schwartz can be made.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Having a spin move and having an effective spin move are two different things. Dwight freeney had a spin move, Barnett? Not so much

No.  Freeney had a ridiculous spin move, and is frankly, the spin move against which all others are measured.  Barnett has a spin move... we can debate its effectiveness, but let's not dismiss it entirely.

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Not sure....but the first thing we'll need is a name and a logo/insignia.

Hmmm this requires a total blog brain storm.

Can anyone join this blog militia or is it by appointment only?also what is the purpose of this blog militia, what are we protecting, defending?

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I say all the time that I am pretty conservative and definitely far out along the patriotic spectrum, but I do have a problem with southern civil war monuments.

I'm all for southern pride.  But the civil war wasn't just about slavery and racism, it was also a rebellion/secession against our country.  That history needs to be taught, but it should not be celebrated.  I don't want to drag the South through the mud 200 years later...move on.  But this sentimental attachment to their side of that war is offensive.  The mistake was allowing this all those years ago in the first place.   

It does piss me off when people kneel for the anthem or disrespect the flag.  But in the interest of being consistent, I feel the confederate flag and these southern monuments represent a higher level of disrespect.  

This is exactly what it is. Maybe HE was sheltered up in northeastern PA.  I lived in the south for half my long life.  None of the buildings named after rebel leaders and the statues were built when there were very many people alive that fought for the South.  Never in any of my classes did anyone ever point to a statue and say learn and never do these things. Rather they celebrated the oppression and defiantly changed the narrative enough to argue somehow the conflict between the states was not about slavery.  Read each state’s declaration of secession and tell me that. Sure it was about states rights, a states right to have slavery.  
 
Most of these monuments were built between the 1900s and the 1920s. For the most part they were built from the 1890s to the 1950s.  Know what they don’t teach you in history about what was also going on during that same period?  Lynchings.  Over 600 of them in Texas.  Know what else they don’t talk about in school?  Voter suppression as the states came out of Reconstruction by groups like the White League and the Red Shirts, ironically at least to me, against Republicans.  Once the Democrats won the states’ legislatures back they passed new Constitutions. Shortly thereafter, as they are erecting these monuments they are also passing Jim Crow laws.  Those laws required segregation, oppressed voting and even had provisions like sundown laws.  Think those monuments bring to mind that in the South?  Nah.  More like my high school, named after Robert E. Lee and built in the late fifties. Team, the Generals with band and dance team uniforms that look like a Confederate general’s. Colors, grey and gold. Think that had many of my classmates focused on learning from history?  
 
Here is a fact you don’t see in the Alamo movies. Texans are proud of winning their war for independence from Mexico. Know what they don’t focus on as much as they should in school?  Mexico wanted to end the practice of slavery and the Texans wanted no part of it so they revolted. 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Those things other than the plaques that honor the oppressed not the oppresser al ready existed yet they didnt erect statues or monuments of hitler or Goebels or other prominent figures in the 3rd reich. Eastern Germans dont carry 3rd reich flags around or display them at sporting events.

None of your examples are the same as erecting a statue of a failed confederate general who was fighting for slavery oppression genocide ect...

Auschwitz wasnt purposefully built after the war to commemorate history, if it were it would commemorate the killing of jews no?

Did you have equal anger when iraqis toppled the statue of saddam hussein after they were free from his reign of terror?

 monuments(  being something to erect to commemorate a moment or event) "commemorate" ( to remind and show respect for a person or event)  

Erecting a southern general monument is showing respect for a failed cause and promoting that failure ie. slavery.

Want to erect monuments that honor event or people from the south during the civil war. Erect statues and monuments of the oppressed, of those that persevered, of survivors of oppression. Not those doing the oppressing.

No one is suggesting burning history or redacting history from books.

Thats where history belongs in books.

good points.

46 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Washburn was a dope here, but he’s a damn good DL coach. A week or two with him can only help. He’s teaching him technique, not staging a coup against Schwartz (his boy) and Jeremiah Washburn (literally his boy). 

He made Babin a star for a few years. Of course, Babin was a better athlete than Barnett...

But hes a coach familiar with the wide 9 obviously so what he can teach will be some of the most directly translatable stuff that Barnett would be able to find from any independent coach. This is one with NFL coaching experience...

Yeah I dont see any downside here. I like it.

 

47 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Washburn was a dope here, but he’s a damn good DL coach. A week or two with him can only help. He’s teaching him technique, not staging a coup against Schwartz (his boy) and Jeremiah Washburn (literally his boy). 

I have to admit, I worry a bit with Washburn that he teaches the Banian technique of running past the runner. Schwartz has very much refined the wide nine so DEs have contain responsibilities. 

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

This is exactly what it is. Maybe HE was sheltered up in northeastern PA.  I lived in the south for half my long life.  None of the buildings named after rebel leaders and the statues were built when there were very many people alive that fought for the South.  Never in any of my classes did anyone ever point to a statue and say learn and never do these things. Rather they celebrated the oppression and defiantly changed the narrative enough to argue somehow the conflict between the states was not about slavery.  Read each state’s declaration of secession and tell me that. Sure it was about states rights, a states right to have slavery.  
 
Most of these monuments were built between the 1900s and the 1920s. For the most part they were built from the 1890s to the 1950s.  Know what they don’t teach you in history about what was also going on during that same period?  Lynchings.  Over 600 of them in Texas.  Know what else they don’t talk about in school?  Voter suppression as the states came out of Reconstruction by groups like the White League and the Red Shirts, ironically at least to me, against Republicans.  Once the Democrats won the states’ legislatures back they passed new Constitutions. Shortly thereafter, as they are erecting these monuments they are also passing Jim Crow laws.  Those laws required segregation, oppressed voting and even had provisions like sundown laws.  Think those monuments bring to mind that in the South?  Nah.  More like my high school, named after Robert E. Lee and built in the late fifties. Team, the Generals with band and dance team uniforms that look like a Confederate general’s. Colors, grey and gold. Think that had many of my classmates focused on learning from history?  
 
Here is a fact you don’t see in the Alamo movies. Texans are proud of winning their war for independence from Mexico. Know what they don’t focus on as much as they should in school?  Mexico wanted to end the practice of slavery and the Texans wanted no part of it so they revolted. 

ha! its pretty clear then which of us was sheltered. 

29 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

...in order to keep a well-regulated militia.

 

Anyone interested in a Blog militia?

Are you suggesting the Michigan militia is not well regulated?

17 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I've been giving Schwartz a pass on Cover-1 -3, because of what he had at CB.  You can't really compare him to JJ.  Johnson had Troy, Bobby, Lito, Asante.  Sheldon, who would be fifth on JJ's list is better than anyone Schwartz ever had.

Now that we have Slay, a fairer judgement of Schwartz can be made.

No love for Al Harris???😞

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

ha! its pretty clear then which of us was sheltered. 

Quarantine offers many opportunities for educating one self😊

24 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

This is exactly what it is. Maybe HE was sheltered up in northeastern PA.  I lived in the south for half my long life.  None of the buildings named after rebel leaders and the statues were built when there were very many people alive that fought for the South.  Never in any of my classes did anyone ever point to a statue and say learn and never do these things. Rather they celebrated the oppression and defiantly changed the narrative enough to argue somehow the conflict between the states was not about slavery.  Read each state’s declaration of secession and tell me that. Sure it was about states rights, a states right to have slavery.  
 
Most of these monuments were built between the 1900s and the 1920s. For the most part they were built from the 1890s to the 1950s.  Know what they don’t teach you in history about what was also going on during that same period?  Lynchings.  Over 600 of them in Texas.  Know what else they don’t talk about in school?  Voter suppression as the states came out of Reconstruction by groups like the White League and the Red Shirts, ironically at least to me, against Republicans.  Once the Democrats won the states’ legislatures back they passed new Constitutions. Shortly thereafter, as they are erecting these monuments they are also passing Jim Crow laws.  Those laws required segregation, oppressed voting and even had provisions like sundown laws.  Think those monuments bring to mind that in the South?  Nah.  More like my high school, named after Robert E. Lee and built in the late fifties. Team, the Generals with band and dance team uniforms that look like a Confederate general’s. Colors, grey and gold. Think that had many of my classmates focused on learning from history?  
 
Here is a fact you don’t see in the Alamo movies. Texans are proud of winning their war for independence from Mexico. Know what they don’t focus on as much as they should in school?  Mexico wanted to end the practice of slavery and the Texans wanted no part of it so they revolted. 

Agreed completely, but I'd also argue that Mexico was not innocent in their interactions with Texas...

23 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I have to admit, I worry a bit with Washburn that he teaches the Banian technique of running past the runner. Schwartz has very much refined the wide nine so DEs have contain responsibilities. 

Yup id worry the same.

Babins sack stats looked awesome but what wasnt refelected in those sack numbers was how he sold out his teammates to get them and his run responsibilities.

There was a kid from BYU a few years back who led the nation in sacks one year or close to it, they employed him in a wide 9 every play and said just get to the qb, he wasnt drafted mainly cuz he was an older college athlete with average size and athleticism but the sack totals were all generated by scheme that was unsound and built for one guy to succeed in getting to the qb. 

Washburn had babin doing the same thing. Not only did it alienate babin from his teammates but it led to lots of big plays in the run game and unsound selfish defense.

Schwartz wide 9 is sound, every player has run fits and gap responsibility.

33 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I've been giving Schwartz a pass on Cover-1 -3, because of what he had at CB.  You can't really compare him to JJ.  Johnson had Troy, Bobby, Lito, Asante.  Sheldon, who would be fifth on JJ's list is better than anyone Schwartz ever had.

Now that we have Slay, a fairer judgement of Schwartz can be made.

I can give him a pass based on what he had to work with, including Jenkins, but I really hope they move away from so much Cover 3.  IIRC Manuel ran a lot of Zone at Atlanta.  Cover 2 and Cover 3.  I really hope with Slay they play more Cover 1. We’ll see. 

https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/29815/better-worse-or-the-same-eagles-d-takes-two-steps-forward-two-back

This article discusses which positions on defense are better same or worse.

Says d line better. I agree

Says LB is worse- because of loss of Bradham and KGH,I disagree. Also interesting that eagles only have 2% of the cap devoted to LB.

Says Corner is better. I agree.

Says Safety is worse because of loss of Jenkins, i disagree.

What do yall think?

14 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

 Here is a fact you don’t see in the Alamo movies. Texans are proud of winning their war for independence from Mexico. Know what they don’t focus on as much as they should in school?  Mexico wanted to end the practice of slavery and the Texans wanted no part of it so they revolted. 

Despite naming a major city after him, Sam Houston gets short shrift in Texas history, compared to say the "heroes" of the Alamo, who disregarded his orders, as did the group that got itself slaughtered at Goliad.

Ole Sam was a drunk, an Indian lover, etc., and lacked the macho quality of getting killed to show off his courage, instead he actually fought that war to win. He knew his rag tag army needed time to be trained and organized, and that getting Santa Anna to overextend his reach would eventually provide an opportunity. But there's nothing heroic about a strategic retreat. Santa Anna's incompetence gave Houston his shot, but even after the battle of San Jacinto, there were 4,000 Mexican troops left in Texas - but spread over a wide area, bogged down by spring rains. Texas independence was primarily a product of better rifles and Santa Anna's incompetence.

38 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No.  Freeney had a ridiculous spin move, and is frankly, the spin move against which all others are measured.  Barnett has a spin move... we can debate its effectiveness, but let's not dismiss it entirely.

The trouble with the spin move is that short period when the player is blind to,the play. Teams combatted Freeney’s by running at him.  

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I can give him a pass based on what he had to work with, including Jenkins, but I really hope they move away from so much Cover 3.  IIRC Manuel ran a lot of Zone at Atlanta.  Cover 2 and Cover 3.  I really hope with Slay they play more Cover 1. We’ll see. 

Yup playing exclusive cover 3 with crap corners isnt ideal

36 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I've been giving Schwartz a pass on Cover-1 -3, because of what he had at CB.  You can't really compare him to JJ.  Johnson had Troy, Bobby, Lito, Asante.  Sheldon, who would be fifth on JJ's list is better than anyone Schwartz ever had.

Now that we have Slay, a fairer judgement of Schwartz can be made.

Schwartz has done very well with what he has had to work with at CB.  He gets faulted sometimes rightly for mistakes his players make in coverage schemes.  His defenses have really excelled in the red zone.  

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Despite naming a major city after him, Sam Houston gets short shrift in Texas history, compared to say the "heroes" of the Alamo, who disregarded his orders, as did the group that got itself slaughtered at Goliad.

Ole Sam was a drunk, an Indian lover, etc., and lacked the macho quality of getting killed to show off his courage, instead he actually fought that war to win. He knew his rag tag army needed time to be trained and organized, and that getting Santa Anna to overextend his reach would eventually provide an opportunity. But there's nothing heroic about a strategic retreat. Santa Anna's incompetence gave Houston his shot, but even after the battle of San Jacinto, there were 4,000 Mexican troops left in Texas - but spread over a wide area, bogged down by spring rains. Texas independence was primarily a product of better rifles and Santa Anna's incompetence.

Ironically, Washington's withdrawal from NY is considered one of his greatest military achievements. 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The trouble with the spin move is that short period when the player is blind to,the play. Teams combatted Freeney’s by running at him.  

Yup.  He was undersized as well.

27 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

ha! its pretty clear then which of us was sheltered. 

From an education perspective down south, we were sheltered from the truth.  I am eternally grateful my parents encouraged us to learn more on our own.

41 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No.  Freeney had a ridiculous spin move, and is frankly, the spin move against which all others are measured.  Barnett has a spin move... we can debate its effectiveness, but let's not dismiss it entirely.

There should be no reason to dismiss it. He’s had some high quality spins that didn’t pay off because the QB hit his first read. That’s on the secondary, not Barnett.