1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

Nicely said!

Thanks

12 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

He did say it was wrong... you just choose to ignore that. 

 He doesn't get credit for saying something was wrong and then throwing it to the side as irrelevant and not something that should be dealt with right now. 

6 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I think most just feel Jenkins is being a bit selective. He bashed Brees over having a view about taking a knee for days. I mean 5 min posts going on and on how wring Brees is and how sad it is. Jackson he just said one sentence, " It was wrong" and then just kept on about "We need to stay focused" which we all know what he meant what they should focus on. Honestly Jenkins would have been better off staying out of the topic. Everyone would. Just let it pass and move on. 

He also bashed Brees because it’s something more personal to him and he’s more passionate about it for obvious reasons. I wouldn’t expect him to have the same level of frustration for all injustices. That’s not a realistic expectation for him or anyone.  

8 minutes ago, greend said:

I'm not mad at him either way. But I think H.E. brings a valid point if that's the case. And remember I said if that's the case, but why should I then care about both antisemitism and crimes by police against A.A. if that doesn't effect me? 

The truth of the matter is that we should all care and try to make some kind of a difference against hate.

I agree. I think if he separated the two messages he’d have a whole lot less backlash. If he dismissed the comments and then in a separate thought said hey let’s still fight for BLM and against police brutality then he’d be fine. 
 

I will still say there are a group of people in here and on social media who hate Jenkins and as soon as they have the slightest  opportunity to bring him down, they will.

3 minutes ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

After the other national anthem. 

After the other national anthem?  You mean the real one?

18 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

The message on Instagram was poorly worded. I agree. He shouldn’t say his issue is more important than anyone else’s. 
 

I just don’t think we can be mad at him for pushing the issue that is affecting him most. 

The "Jews aren't our problem" is pretty ambiguous. I don't know if he means that he has no issue with them and his cause isn't directed at them or if he's deferring the issue at hand that it's not his responsibility to talk about. Poorly worded either way. 

If Jenkins is hyper-focused on only black issues because it impacts him directly, then that's fine. But if he feels that way then he no longer has a right to get upset at anyone who shows apathy or lack of interest in his causes based on this and can no longer use the "if you are silent during times of injustice you have chosen the side of the oppressor" logic that a lot of people in the BLM movement are using. 

57 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

That’s what I said, but Kaye said it better. 

26 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The draft will be a problem, but at the same time fascinating. You will probably see each team with a very different big board. It also is going to make almost every pick really valuable. You will more than likely see less trades, but the cost of trading up would probably be cheaper than any other year, is my guess. 

I think the creative teams who are willing to project and accept risk will be rewarded with superior talents.  Huge value opportunity.  

Some teams, afraid to completely whiff on 1st thru 3rd round picks, will cling to the players who put up productive stats with the most hours of reviewable good film from 2019...for the most part, those are the guys who are rising seniors, started as juniors or RS sophomores, but were not talented enough enter the draft and wanted to come back for another year.  

Compare them to the true junior class that has not yet lost its top end talent to the draft, but collectively hasn't played much.  The real mystery is how many true juniors declare for the draft.  This will be a weak draft if most don't.  The best of their would-be seniors were drafted in 2020.  The best of their juniors might stay in school until 2022.  Of course, maybe they'll still declare.  

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He also bashed Brees because it’s something more personal to him and he’s more passionate about it for obvious reasons. I wouldn’t expect him to have the same level of frustration for all injustices. That’s not a realistic expectation for him or anyone.  

Exactly, which is most peoples point. Why even mentioning it? It just made him sound that he is one sided. Best to just stick with his BLM stuff. Don't even comment on the other stuff. 

NFL would be smart to just force all owners, FO, Coaches and players to be banned from social media. Nothing good comes from it, lol. 

Just now, BigEFly said:

That’s what I said, but Kaye said it better. 

That’s why I posted it, but I was too lazy to go back and quote any of the posts. 

5 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

It’s not his fight. If others want to make that an issue and speak about it, then go for it. I don’t get why anyone is expecting Jenkins to do it. 

OK so I’m a Jewish white male, I am fighting for blacks to get the justice they deserve and want. But technically that’s not my fight because I am not black. So I guess it’s not really my fight so I should just give it up because considering the fact with Malcolm Jenkins said. And you decide he doesn’t have to be about every injustice fight then I guess because it’s not my fight I should only be focus on my Jewish people’s injustices. All injustices are bad you don’t pick and choose which ones you want to get behind or deem more important over another you fight for all of them otherwise you are just a person who only really cares about things happening that directly effects you then it’s not about all injustices it’s basically just about you  

Another issue is don’t make one of your mottos fighting for injustices, If you are silent you are part of the problem. The problem with doing that is You can be called a hypocrite when there’s another injustice and you stay radio silent and then when you do speak it’s five days later and you say it’s not that important right now to fight for. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

OK so I’m a Jewish white male, I am fighting for blacks to get the justice they deserve and want. But technically that’s not my fight because I am not black. So I guess it’s not really my fight so I should just give it up because considering the fact with Malcolm Jenkins said. And you decide he doesn’t have to be every injustice fight then I guess because it’s not my fight I should only be focus on my Jewish people’s injustices. 

Another issue is don’t make one of your mottos fighting for injustices, If you are silent you are part of the problem. The problem with doing that is You can be called a hypocrite when there’s another injustice and you stay radio silent and then when you do speak it’s five days later and you say it’s not that important right now to fight for. 

Also well said!

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Exactly, which is most peoples point. Why even mentioning it? It just made him sound that he is one sided. Best to just stick with his BLM stuff. Don't even comment on the other stuff. 

I think it was good for him to say DJax was wrong. He just failed miserably in the delivery. 

6 minutes ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

Y know.... just because an attention **** or two have never heard of the black national anthem doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or has never existed. 
 

or was sung by many many children in grade school like I, my siblings, and others did in the 1980s. Everyday. After the other national anthem. 

I'm sorry but I struggle with something called "The Black National Anthem", this is one nation and if there is ever hope of all colors, races, or whatevers becoming one we have to stop with having separate things for separate races.

 

55 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

"Jewish people aren’t our problem, and we aren’t their problem. Let’s not lose focus on what the problem truly is, and that’s that black lives still don’t matter in this country. Push this energy toward arresting and convicting the killers of Breonna Taylor and burning systemic racism to the ground."

 

He said more than that.  Les’ summary is pretty bad after I read what he actually posted. 

2 minutes ago, greend said:

I'm sorry but I struggle with something called "The Black National Anthem", this is one nation and if there is ever hope of all colors, races, or whatevers becoming one we have to stop with having separate things for separate races.

 

Im wondering what will come up when people take a knee or sit for the Black National Anthem. Will it be those people are wrong and are not allowed or they are racist? Or will the tables be turned and will all accept it and say they have the right to sit/knee during it? Will be another topic that will come up after week 1 Im sure. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

OK so I’m a Jewish white male, I am fighting for blacks to get the justice they deserve and want. But technically that’s not my fight because I am not black. So I guess it’s not really my fight so I should just give it up because considering the fact with Malcolm Jenkins said. And you decide he doesn’t have to be every injustice fight then I guess because it’s not my fight I should only be focus on my Jewish people’s injustices. 

Another issue is don’t make one of your mottos fighting for injustices, If you are silent you are part of the problem. The problem with doing that is You can be called a hypocrite when there’s another injustice and you stay radio silent and then when you do speak it’s five days later and you say it’s not that important right now to fight for. 

He’s not saying it’s not an issue. He stated that the comments were wrong and is on your side. He’s just using his platform to highlight issues that affect him. That’s fine for him to do. 
 

He can be against issue #1 and still focus on highlighting issue #2 on his platform. 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

He said more than that.  Les’ summary is pretty bad after I read what he actually posted. 

I was just quoting the part that I found to be dismissive. 

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Im wondering what will come up when people take a knee or sit for the Black National Anthem. Will it be those people are wrong and are not allowed or they are racist? Or will the tables be turned and will all accept it and say they have the right to sit/knee during it? Will be another topic that will come up after week 1 Im sure. 

What would be the reason for the protest?

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think it was good for him to say DJax was wrong. He just failed miserably in the delivery. 

This is how I see it. it was basically this

Just now, WentzFan11 said:

What would be the reason for the protest?

Its not their national anthem. 

I'm going to try to explain why a lot of people are frustrated (or at least why I am). This is obviously highly subjective but I think it'll illustrate the point. 

If I was to rank DJax's comment on the offensive scale, I'd give him a solid 7. If I was to rank Brees on the offensive scale, I think an argument can be made for a 3 (though I'd personally give him a 0). 

Now, let's look at the outrage response scale. Brees elicited an 8+. DJax was maybe a 3... maybe. 

Regardless of which "side" you're on, people become frustrated with hypocrisy and become combative to those that are coming across as hypocritical. 

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Im wondering what will come up when people take a knee or sit for the Black National Anthem. Will it be those people are wrong and are not allowed or they are racist? Or will the tables be turned and will all accept it and say they have the right to sit/knee during it? Will be another topic that will come up after week 1 Im sure. 

That is going to cause issues with fans when they stand for the one and kneel for the other.

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

What would be the reason for the protest?

I thought kneeling was supporting BLM. Isn't that the reason for the knee...take one for both. It is a sign of respect, remember

7 minutes ago, greend said:

I'm sorry but I struggle with something called "The Black National Anthem", this is one nation and if there is ever hope of all colors, races, or whatevers becoming one we have to stop with having separate things for separate races.

 

It's almost as if we forgot that segregation is a bad thing

Jenkins is a hypocrite and a media ****.  It's that simple.  What Brees said really should not even be compared to Desean/Malik.  It just doesn't compare.  And the fact that one generated an obviously obligatory passing acknowledgement while the other triggered a 4 alarm fire siren just exposes him further.  

To even say that "black lives don't matter in this country" is just an outrageous exaggeration that cheapens his stance.  I support black lives matter, they do matter...but this country is also burning because of the tragic end of one black life.  People of all colors have died in the ensuing chaos.  Things need to get better, and they will continue to do so, ideally in a more direct path than we have seen in the past.  But to just say that "black lives don't matter in this country"?  You are free to take your celebrity, 4 year full-ride university eduction, and estimated >$50m net worth that you earned in this country as a black man and find another one where black lives apparently matter more.  Again, progress is needed, but vengeful overstatement isn't getting things anywhere either.