1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

That is going to cause issues with fans when they stand for the one and kneel for the other.

I feel the same way. U know you will have some sit for the real nation anthem and some then for the black national anthem. Its going to cause more issues then good in the long run. Luckly its only for week 1 right now. I just think it will cause more separation then togetherness. 

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

Its not their national anthem. 

There would be backlash for it then. People stand for O Canada or anthems from other Countries during games. 

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

I feel the same way. U know you will have some sit for the real nation anthem and some then for the black national anthem. Its going to cause more issues then good in the long run. Luckly its only for week 1 right now. I just think it will cause more separation then togetherness. 

I heard they may do it all season. Hopefully it's just one and done.

2 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

I'm going to try to explain why a lot of people are frustrated (or at least why I am). This is obviously highly subjective but I think it'll illustrate the point. 

If I was to rank DJax's comment on the offensive scale, I'd give him a solid 7. If I was to rank Brees on the offensive scale, I think an argument can be made for a 3 (though I'd personally give him a 0). 

Now, let's look at the outrage response scale. Brees elicited an 8+. DJax was maybe a 3... maybe. 

Regardless of which "side" you're on, people become frustrated with hypocrisy and become combative to those that are coming across as hypocritical. 

I think the timing was everything with Brees getting an 8+, also that he plays in a league that is predominantly black. It’s difficult to strip all context from both situations and focus on the words, although I agree that what DJx did was much worse. 

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

There would be backlash for it then. People stand for O Canada or anthems from other Countries during games. 

Exactly, this is were the problem will lye. It will cause more problems then good by doing it. Cause everyone knows it will happen and everyone knows what will happen after. 

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

Exactly, this is were the problem will lye. It will cause more problems them good by doing it. Cause everyone knows it will happen and everyone knows what will happen after. 

It will cause more issues.

Luckily it’s only for week 1, fans will probably not be in attendance, and there’s still a chance the season doesn’t happen. 
 

The NFL is acknowledging the issue, which is a big statement and I’m glad they’re making it, but it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

I think the timing was everything with Brees getting an 8+, also that he plays in a league that is predominantly black. It’s difficult to strip all context from both situations and focus on the words, although I agree that what DJx did was much worse. 

However you want to rank it is obviously a personal preference. However, most can agree that DJax's comment was way worse, while the response to Brees was way more swift and severe.

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

OK so I’m a Jewish white male, I am fighting for blacks to get the justice they deserve and want. But technically that’s not my fight because I am not black. So I guess it’s not really my fight so I should just give it up because considering the fact with Malcolm Jenkins said. And you decide he doesn’t have to be every injustice fight then I guess because it’s not my fight I should only be focus on my Jewish people’s injustices. All injustices are bad you don’t pick and choose which ones you want to get behind or deem more important over another you fight for all of them otherwise you are just a person who only really cares about things happening that directly effects you then it’s not about all injustices it’s basically just about you  

Another issue is don’t make one of your mottos fighting for injustices, If you are silent you are part of the problem. The problem with doing that is You can be called a hypocrite when there’s another injustice and you stay radio silent and then when you do speak it’s five days later and you say it’s not that important right now to fight for. 

Well freaking said. Bravo.

 

12 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

He’s not saying it’s not an issue. He stated that the comments were wrong and is on your side. He’s just using his platform to highlight issues that affect him. That’s fine for him to do. 
 

He can be against issue #1 and still focus on highlighting issue #2 on his platform. 

I suggest listening to Chris long’s podcast. You can walk and chew gum at the same time. You don’t have to play the oppression Olympics and hand out medals for which one is gold and then silver and then bronze to see which one is the most deserving to fight for at the time. When they happen you fight for them you don’t push one to the back burner cause it’s not your issue if you are for equality and stopping all injustice. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think the timing was everything with Brees getting an 8+, also that he plays in a league that is predominantly black. It’s difficult to strip all context from both situations and focus on the words, although I agree that what DJx did was much worse. 

This. He couldn't have had worse timing with what he said and read the room terribly. I didn't have an issue with the actual context of what he said though because he gave his opinion. I didn't think it was racially driven or even as close to offensive as to what Jackson did.

The whole deal with the flag and the anthem is complicated because it's symbolic and it has different meanings for different people. So if Brees feels that it is disrespectful to kneel because he comes from a military family then that's his opinion based off of his personal beliefs. Other people in the military have come out to say that they don't have an issue with kneeling, but that doesn't make Brees's take wrong because it's HIS opinion. 

10 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

It's almost as if we forgot that segregation is a bad thing

Our country is called The United States of American not The United When We Want To Be And Segregated When We Feel Like It America.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I suggest listening to Chris long’s podcast. You can walk and chew gum at the same time. You don’t have to play the oppression Olympics to which one is the most deserving to fight for at the time. When they happen you fight for them you don’t push one to the back burner cause it’s not your issue if you are for equality and stopping all injustice. 

Like I said earlier, the mistake he made was speaking about them together. He should have given a statement about the comments from DeSean and Malik separately and given it a spotlight. 
 

Im just saying you can’t be upset at him for keeping his platform focused on BLM.

Just now, Khani1 said:

Our country is called The United States of American not The United When We Want To Be And Segregated When We Feel Like It America.

TL:DR

13 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

He’s not saying it’s not an issue. He stated that the comments were wrong and is on your side. He’s just using his platform to highlight issues that affect him. That’s fine for him to do. 
 

He can be against issue #1 and still focus on highlighting issue #2 on his platform. 

This is the same guy who said he'd refuse to show up for work in the final year of a contract he signed that would pay him $7.85 million for the year.  He's not just a celebrity; he's been celebrated for his activism over this issue.  Media darling, beloved by the city.  The only political issue that affects him at this point is tax policy.  

He's picking the fight he wants...in this case with Brees, who is neither racist nor bigot...and ignoring the other one.

Just now, Khani1 said:

Our country is called The United States of American not The United When We Want To Be And Segregated When We Feel Like It America.

Problem is it’s 2020 and we still haven’t figured out that United part. 

49 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You use "they” a lot.

Yes. The group segregating themselves and calling it not "our" fight. 

Just now, Khani1 said:

Our country is called The United States of American not The United When We Want To Be And Segregated When We Feel Like It America.

We went from the desire to segregate our society based off of bad, racist intentions. Now some want to segregate our society for "moral," well-intentioned reasons. Segregation is segregation. It's always wrong.

27 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

After the other national anthem?  You mean the real one?

They’re both real. Apparently I have to apologize for other people’s ignorance. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

TL:DR

You might need adderall if you think a sentence is too long of a read.

31 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

Absolute agree. I couldn't argue against that even if I wanted to. This falls on the side of "understanding" when it comes to the tightrope. However, exploring how Jews created conditions that fostered the hate directed at them is a thought process that falls on the side of "justification." It's a precarious process that needs to tread lightly. 

Some of that prejudice is borne on POC moving into formally Jewish neighborhoods and dealing with Jewish landlords and merchants (Gentile too). There was a study that businesses that embraced hiring of POC were less susceptible to damage than businesses that didn’t or treated POC poorly in the 1943 riot.  That is not a justification for such but rather helps identify a source of such prejudice.  It is a precarious process.  

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yes. The group segregating themselves and calling it not "our" fight. 

I submit it is not they but you who are doing that.

2 minutes ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

They’re both real. Apparently I have to apologize for other people’s ignorance. 

Why stop there?  There should be Chinese, Spanish, Irish National anthems too.  Oh wait, all those countries are represented in the National Anthem of the UNITED States of America.

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

I submit it is not they but you who are doing that.

BLM is a segregationist movement. The leaders have openly admitted it. Every single demand that they espouse is a form of segregation. Now, do all of the people that support BLM feel that way? I highly doubt it. But the leaders are blunt in their desire for segregation.

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Like I said earlier, the mistake he made was speaking about them together. He should have given a statement about the comments from DeSean and Malik separately and given it a spotlight. 
 

Im just saying you can’t be upset at him for keeping his platform focused on BLM.

I’m not upset about him keeping a platform for Black Lives Matter but like Chris long said you can chew gum and walk at the same time. You can do multiple things at once. Hence he plays football, works for cnn, is part of the movement for black injustices and runs a business. He doesn’t stop playing football or quit being an owner of his clothing store just to focus on that particular avenue of his life So he’s focused only on that. You can do multiple things at the same time and still be focused on that cause and come off like that cause doesn’t matter to him as much right now. 

18 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Exactly, this is were the problem will lye. It will cause more problems then good by doing it. Cause everyone knows it will happen and everyone knows what will happen after. 

You’re not recognizing why people took a knee for the Star Spangled Banner; it wasn’t because folks decided it wasn’t their national anthem so they didn’t need to stand for it.  It was done in an effort to bring attention to police brutality and other social injustice.  If the NFL decides to play the other anthem, and people take a knee or sit for no better reason than they don’t want to recognize it as an anthem, that would be seen as highly disrespectful — and I’d be inclined to agree.

For the record, I’ve believed for many years that no anthem would be the best possible solution — it’s an antiquated custom.