4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I submit it is not they but you who are doing that.

Bit you'd be wrong.  It was Jenkins' words.  Not mine. 

1 minute ago, Giddyunc said:

BLM is a segregationist movement. The leaders have openly admitted it. Every single demand that they espouse is a form of segregation. Now, do all of the people that support BLM feel that way? I highly doubt it. But the leaders are blunt in their desire for segregation.

Correct. 

2 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

BLM is a segregationist movement. The leaders have openly admitted it. Every single demand that they espouse is a form of segregation. Now, do all of the people that support BLM feel that way? I highly doubt it. But the leaders are blunt in their desire for segregation.

I’ve always felt this way. There’s black lives matter the movement to get equality and injustices for blacks. And black lives matter the organization that has that included but also a bunch of other things that people don’t have a complete understanding or educated about. 

 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You’re not recognizing why people took a knee for the Star Spangled Banner; it wasn’t because folks decided it wasn’t their national anthem so they didn’t need to stand for it.  It was done in an effort to bring attention to police brutality and other social injustice.  If the NFL decides to play the other anthem, and people take a knee or sit for no better reason than they don’t want to recognize it as an anthem, that would be seen as highly disrespectful — and I’d be inclined to agree.

For the record, I’ve believed for many years that no anthem would be the best possible solution — it’s an antiquated custom.

Stand for both or kneel for both.  Anyone who does one or the other is specifically trying to disrespect it and prove a point that it is not theirs.  That goes for both national anthems.

I thought half the point of this was that we are trying to get rid of double standards?  It goes both ways.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Stand for both or kneel for both.  Anyone who does one or the other is specifically trying to disrespect it and prove a point that it is not theirs.  That goes for both national anthems.

I thought half the point of this was that we are trying to get rid of double standards?  It goes both ways.

You’re missing the point. 

The China part Is 100 percent accurate because the nba doesn’t want to lose money. It’s why morey said what he did and the nba lost it’s mind. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The China part Is 100 percent accurate because the nba doesn’t want to lose money. It’s why morey said what he did and the nba lost it’s mind. 

The NBA and Lebron's handling of that China debacle was extremely hypocritical.  Athletes will say that "black lives don't matter in this country" but tread extremely lightly, to the point of being defensive, when they were thrust into China's civil issues when their own financial interests were at stake.  

20 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Problem is it’s 2020 and we still haven’t figured out that United part. 

But the whole two anthems approach has Plessy v Ferguson feel to me and it seems like it is 1896 with that misguided attempt to avoid controversy. A smarter move would be just do away with the anthem altogether at sporting events.  

13 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

 

I think he said exactly what he meant, Geoff. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The NBA and Lebron's handling of that China debacle was extremely hypocritical.  Athletes will say that "black lives don't matter in this country" but tread extremely lightly, to the point of being defensive, when they were thrust into China's civil issues when their own financial interests were at stake.  

The worst part about LeBron's response was him saying Daryl Morey, who has a masters degree from MIT by the way, wasn't educated on the topic. I don't remember laughing that hard in a while when I heard that. 

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

But the whole two anthems approach has Plessy v Ferguson feel to me and it seems like it is 1896 with that misguided attempt to avoid controversy. A smarter move would be just do away with the anthem altogether at sporting events.  

Or just tell the people that are offended by the National Anthem to go pound sand. I mean, the kneeling during the Anthem wasn't about disrespect, or so we were told. It was about raising awareness. 

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

But the whole two anthems approach has Plessy v Ferguson feel to me and it seems like it is 1896 with that misguided attempt to avoid controversy. A smarter move would be just do away with the anthem altogether at sporting events.  

I agree. We don’t really need the anthem at sporting events.

30 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

You might need adderall if you think a sentence is too long of a read.

Your joke meter might be broken, if you thought I was serious.

1 minute ago, Giddyunc said:

Or just tell the people that are offended by the National Anthem to go pound sand. I mean, the kneeling during the Anthem wasn't about disrespect, or so we were told. It was about raising awareness. 

No matter what, someone is going to be offended, what’s the point of playing the anthem at professional sporting events anyway?  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Your joke meter might be broken, if you thought I was serious.

 

On topic:

Five days Jerrah.  Looking bad for you.  Five days.  

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

No matter what, someone is going to be offended, what’s the point of playing the anthem at professional sporting events anyway?  

That's a loaded question with a loaded answer. But just to address the slippery slope aspect to your question...Where does it stop? Where/when can we play the National Anthem? Where/when can we display the American flag? Where/when can we erect monuments? Where/when can we be proud of OUR country? I ask these questions because there will always be a loud minority of people that will be offended.

4 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

Or just tell the people that are offended by the National Anthem to go pound sand. I mean, the kneeling during the Anthem wasn't about disrespect, or so we were told. It was about raising awareness. 

I'd love to see a list of all of the things being done to raise awareness, help the cause and the millions upon millions of dollars that have been donated to help defeat the injustices that are happening.  The goal is to have no police brutality and murder of black people by our police so we aren't there yet.  The awareness is however and that was the goal.  What happens if their goal is met and no black men are killed by the police next year but there are still white guys getting killed?  Are we going to switch our focus to say those lives matter and fight to have them stopped too?  I'm not trying to be a smarta$$ with that question just genuine thought. 

The initial goal of police brutality and this sense that there is system wide racism has now turned in to the United States is racist towards blacks and that just isn't the case.   Somehow we got to this place where we are divided and you have to choose sides.  

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

On topic:

Five days Jerrah.  Looking bad for you.  Five days.  

I dont understand the reference.

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

No matter what, someone is going to be offended, what’s the point of playing the anthem at professional sporting events anyway?  

If it's anything other than an international or Olympic event, I never understood it either. 

Just now, Giddyunc said:

That's a loaded question with a loaded answer. But just to address the slippery slope aspect to your question. Where does it stop? Where/when can we play the National Anthem? Where/when can we display the American flag? Where/when can we erect monuments? Where/when can we be proud of OUR country? I ask these questions because there will always be a loud minority of people that be offended.

We can't.  We are supposed to be ashamed of where we came from now didn't you get the memo?  Burning the flag isn't a hate crime anymore, a mere slap on the wrist or even celebrated on social media.  

We are in a sad, scary place right now.  The loud minority hate our country and for some reason we are bowing down to them.

28 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You’re not recognizing why people took a knee for the Star Spangled Banner; it wasn’t because folks decided it wasn’t their national anthem so they didn’t need to stand for it.  It was done in an effort to bring attention to police brutality and other social injustice.  If the NFL decides to play the other anthem, and people take a knee or sit for no better reason than they don’t want to recognize it as an anthem, that would be seen as highly disrespectful — and I’d be inclined to agree.

For the record, I’ve believed for many years that no anthem would be the best possible solution — it’s an antiquated custom.

I do recognize what they are kneeling for. Do I agree, no, but that's my view and they have theirs which they are entitled to. What your failing to understand my point is it does not matter what anyone is kneeling for. It's not about that. People don't care what anyone is kneeling for except for the ones doing the act. All they see is they are kneeling during one anthem. Then in turn, they will kneel during the Black national anthem because they feel it is not their anthem and what they represent. Or even worse, in spit. So now you have people mad at both sides even more cause everyone is kneeling to one or the others anthems. Its just going to result in more drama then there already is. We all know its going to happen. There is no win in this, only more negativity on social media. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I dont understand the reference.

Jerry Jones hasn’t signed Dak? I think. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I dont understand the reference.

Deadline to sign Dak

4 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Jerry Jones hasn’t signed Dak? I think. 

 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Deadline to sign Dak

I have lost all concept of time and NFL deadlines