30 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Go on.   I'd love to hear your solution.

 

wooops @Iggles_Phan my bad i thought that was directed at my comment. So basically ignore what i wrote. Lol. 

5 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

How about this for a can of worms? What evidence of systemic racism by police?

There’s a lot you can research on the subject. Here are statistics. 
 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123070/police-shootings-rate-ethnicity-us/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You are missing the point on this

Trust me I get the point. I'm a white guy, I grew up in a highly populated Jewish area(Cherry Hill East). I have many friends that are Jewish, Black, Asian etc. So I get all sides point of views and respect them all. But going to a meet a group, a Holocaust survivor etc does nothing. Do we truely think he will be a completely changed man over that? Did he even really understand what he even posted? It all comes down to just common sense and poor judgement on social media. Everyone can and will have their own point of view on any topic/subject. Its knowing when/where and when not/where not to voice it. So yes I still think its a bit overkill. 

 

Just now, WentzFan11 said:

There’s a lot you can research on the subject. Here are statistics. 
 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123070/police-shootings-rate-ethnicity-us/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

So according to the links you provided, 31 out of every million black people are killed by the police. 13 out of every million white people are killed by the police. How is that proof of racism?

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think DAL has done a poor job with their cap.  Jones caved and overpaid Zeke, and he hasn’t gotten much of a return at all (yet) from giving out raises to Demarcus Lawrence and Jaylon Smith.  
 

I also think giving Amari Cooper 5 years and $100M was a poor choice.

Jones makes a ton of poor choices. However the one thing that guy can do is draft. If he just stuck to that and trusted others to deal with the contracts, coaching etc that team would be one of the tops every year. Thank goodness for us, Jerry is Jerry though. 

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Trust me I get the point. I'm a white guy, I grew up in a highly populated Jewish area(Cherry Hill East). I have many friends that are Jewish, Black, Asian etc. So I get all sides point of views and respect them all. But going to a meet a group, a Holocaust survivor etc does nothing. Do we truely think he will be a completely changed man over that? Did he even really understand what he even posted? It all comes down to just common sense and poor judgement on social media. Everyone can and will have their own point of view on any topic/subject. Its knowing when/where and when not/where not to voice it. So yes I still think its a bit overkill. 

I tend to agree. I think based on his platform just meeting with Jewish leaders to learn more about why his words were so hurtful is enough. He shouldn’t have to visit the Holocaust museum or visit a concentration camp because of his ignorance, not that it wouldn’t do him and a lot of others good to do so. 

Neither here nor there, but I see on the ESPN crawl that Randall Cunningham was named team chaplain for the Raiders. 

4 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Trust me I get the point. I'm a white guy, I grew up in a highly populated Jewish area(Cherry Hill East). I have many friends that are Jewish, Black, Asian etc. So I get all sides point of views and respect them all. But going to a meet a group, a Holocaust survivor etc does nothing. Do we truely think he will be a completely changed man over that? Did he even really understand what he even posted? It all comes down to just common sense and poor judgement on social media. Everyone can and will have their own point of view on any topic/subject. Its knowing when/where and when not/where not to voice it. So yes I still think its a bit overkill. 

I meant the point of why I posted it. Schefter in that tweet literally said he met with NSDAP's yesterday and is meeting with a holocaust survivor today. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Neither here nor there, but I see on the ESPN crawl that Randall Cunningham was named team chaplain for the Raiders. 

Makes sense.  He's a LV native, and he's a pastor there.  Not to mention he would understand the ins and outs of being an NFL player better than most other options.

5 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

So according to the links you provided, 31 out of every million black people are killed by the police. 13 out of every million white people are killed by the police. How is that proof of racism?

You don’t think being almost 3x as likely to have something happen to you for being a certain ethnicity is an issue? 
 

There’s a lot a lot more on the subject you can research if you want. I just provided a couple links.

17 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Is it worse if he signs him or not?

Not signing him, then the only reason for Dak to sign a long term deal next year, given the automatic cap increase, is with a huge amount of guaranteed money and pay for next year close to that cap level.  I think failing to sign Dak is horrible for the team. Jerry really misplayed this. If I was Dak, my demand for the four year deal would include ever increasing money and guarantees. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I meant the point of why I posted it. Schefter in that tweet literally said he met with NSDAP's yesterday and is meeting with a holocaust survivor today. 

And? Who would actually care about that part of it? LOL

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

You don’t think being almost 3x as likely to have something happen to you for being a certain ethnicity is an issue? 
 

There’s a lot a lot more on the subject. I just provided a couple links.

When adjusted for rates of violent crime, black americans are less likely to be shot than white americans

Just now, BigEFly said:

Not signing him, then the only reason for Dak to sign a long term deal next year, given the automatic cap increase, is with a huge amount of guaranteed money and pay for next year close to that cap level.  I think failing to sign Dak is horrible for the team. Jerry really misplayed this. If I was Dak, my demand for the four year deal would include ever increasing money and guarantees. 

Keep in mind the automatic cap increase might be taken off the table. The cap could go down or stay flat, but the tag increase still goes up. Which makes it even more of a mistake for Jerry to not get it done now.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I tend to agree. I think based on his platform just meeting with Jewish leaders to learn more about why his words were so hurtful is enough. He shouldn’t have to visit the Holocaust museum or visit a concentration camp because of his ignorance, not that it wouldn’t do him and a lot of others good to do so. 

 i never really demand an apology, I don’t need an apology from someone if they don’t truly mean it. For instance if you’re just saying it because you don’t wanna lose your job or they don’t want to lose his endorsement or you don’t wanna lose something else it’s valuable to them then you’re really doing it for the wrong reasons. I don’t need to hear it or have it because it’s just words that have no meaning behind it. But you never know when somebody truly means it because we don’t know what’s in their heart or if they’re just giving you a bunch of garbage because it’s the I don’t want to get in more trouble. 

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

And? Who would actually care about that part of it? LOL

I mean, thats a pretty big typo

2 minutes ago, Giddyunc said:

How about this for a can of worms? What evidence of systemic racism by police?

 

Articles from reputatable, peer reviewed journals the last few years

 

Devi, Tanaya, and Roland G. Fryer Jr. Policing the Police: The Impact of" Pattern-or-Practice" Investigations on Crime. No. w27324. National Bureau of Economic Research, 2020.

Bleakley, Paul. "A thin-slice of institutionalised police brutality: a tradition of excessive force in the Chicago Police Department." Criminal Law Forum. Vol. 30. No. 4. Springer Netherlands, 2019.

Johnson, James, and Len Lecci. "How caring is "nullified”: Strong racial identity eliminates White participant empathy effects when police shoot an unarmed Black male." Psychology of violence (2019).

Knox, Dean, Will Lowe, and Jonathan Mummolo. "Administrative records mask racially biased policing." American Political Science Review (2019): 1-19.

Cunningham, Jamein P., and Rob Gillezeau. "Don’t Shoot! The Impact of Historical African American Protest on Police Killings of Civilians." Journal of Quantitative Criminology (2019): 1-34.

Moon, Sarah H., Tranese Morgan, and Steven J. Sandage. "The need for intercultural competence assessment and training among police officers." Journal of Forensic Psychology Research and Practice 18.5 (2018): 337-351.

Campney, Brent MS. "" A Bunch of Tough Hombres": Police Brutality, Municipal Politics, and Racism in South Texas." Journal of the Southwest 60.4 (2018): 787-825.

Mummolo, Jonathan. "Modern police tactics, police-citizen interactions, and the prospects for reform." The Journal of Politics 80.1 (2018): 1-15.

Legewie, Joscha. "Racial profiling and use of force in police stops: How local events trigger periods of increased discrimination." American journal of sociology 122.2 (2016): 379-424.

Mesic, Aldina, et al. "The relationship between structural racism and black-white disparities in fatal police shootings at the state level." Journal of the National Medical Association 110.2 (2018): 106-116.

 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I meant the point of why I posted it. Schefter in that tweet literally said he met with NSDAP's yesterday and is meeting with a holocaust survivor today. 

Imagine if he actually did that on back to back days. What a wide range of perspective to see then again not sure it would’ve gone well for desean meeting with NSDAPs 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Imagine if he actually did that on back to back days. What a wide range of perspective to see then again not sure it would’ve gone well for desean meeting with NSDAPs 

Is it bad to say I wouldn't be that surprised with the way this year is going?

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

 

Articles from reputatable, peer reviewed journals the last few years

 

Devi, Tanaya, and Roland G. Fryer Jr. Policing the Police: The Impact of" Pattern-or-Practice" Investigations on Crime. No. w27324. National Bureau of Economic Research, 2020.

Bleakley, Paul. "A thin-slice of institutionalised police brutality: a tradition of excessive force in the Chicago Police Department." Criminal Law Forum. Vol. 30. No. 4. Springer Netherlands, 2019.

Johnson, James, and Len Lecci. "How caring is "nullified”: Strong racial identity eliminates White participant empathy effects when police shoot an unarmed Black male." Psychology of violence (2019).

Knox, Dean, Will Lowe, and Jonathan Mummolo. "Administrative records mask racially biased policing." American Political Science Review (2019): 1-19.

Cunningham, Jamein P., and Rob Gillezeau. "Don’t Shoot! The Impact of Historical African American Protest on Police Killings of Civilians." Journal of Quantitative Criminology (2019): 1-34.

Moon, Sarah H., Tranese Morgan, and Steven J. Sandage. "The need for intercultural competence assessment and training among police officers." Journal of Forensic Psychology Research and Practice 18.5 (2018): 337-351.

Campney, Brent MS. "" A Bunch of Tough Hombres": Police Brutality, Municipal Politics, and Racism in South Texas." Journal of the Southwest 60.4 (2018): 787-825.

Mummolo, Jonathan. "Modern police tactics, police-citizen interactions, and the prospects for reform." The Journal of Politics 80.1 (2018): 1-15.

Legewie, Joscha. "Racial profiling and use of force in police stops: How local events trigger periods of increased discrimination." American journal of sociology 122.2 (2016): 379-424.

Mesic, Aldina, et al. "The relationship between structural racism and black-white disparities in fatal police shootings at the state level." Journal of the National Medical Association 110.2 (2018): 106-116.

 

You posted a bunch of articles. What am I supposed to do with that? If you want to claim that policing is inherently racist, then defend your claim without simply pointing to other people's work. At the bare minimum, explain the articles

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Is it bad to say I wouldn't be that surprised with the way this year is going?

Nope. Literally every months seems like we start a new level of jumanji. 

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

There’s a lot you can research on the subject. Here are statistics. 
 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123070/police-shootings-rate-ethnicity-us/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Fatal police shootings, all police shootings, and wrongful police shootings are not synonymous.  

There are racist cops, corrupt cops, violence hungry cops out there...lots of good ones too, of course.  While there is no doubt that African Americans endure the brunt of the abuse from these bad cops, there is also the reality that they commit more crimes per capita and are having more indicated interactions with police.  It's a very politically incorrect and unpleasant factoid that needs to be somewhat acknowledged with some internal reflection as we also throw the cops under the bus here.  

Any time a weapon is discharged or physical harm is inflicted upon a detainee, there needs to be a very public and very transparent review by a panel of carefully selected individuals.  We sort of do it in medicine with morbidity & mortality conferences.  Those conferences are internally policed by our peers though.  We've reached a point where that obviously just won't do in this sector.  

That's all easier said than done.  No one on this board would be particularly thrilled if there were a public judgment tribunal looking down their nose at them after every one of their most difficult and dangerous days on the job.  And "efficient" or "affordable" are never words that can describe a public process that opens itself up to infiltration by Afans parasitic colleagues, who will certainly have a field day with this process.  

1 hour ago, Giddyunc said:

BLM is a segregationist movement. The leaders have openly admitted it. Every single demand that they espouse is a form of segregation. Now, do all of the people that support BLM feel that way? I highly doubt it. But the leaders are blunt in their desire for segregation.

No. Just no. A movement to curb police violence against black citizens is not segregationist. It is a movement toward equal justice before the law, hat the authors of Coddling would call Procedural justice.