4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

That's the point I have been making. Make this team desirable for him to play for as far as "who said" He SAID SO HIMSELF. Now we need to change his mind by building a team this draft

I'm not on board with our OL being such a great selling point for a FA QB.   Simply because IMO we have 2 young guys on the left side... the C and RT, I can't say they will be here long enough to entice a FA QB.      If the idea is simply comparing to Seattle... wouldn't most teams say they have a better OL?    I mean, if you look at it,Washington could be a better place for a FA QB at the moment once all their guys get healthy.   They have more on defense, so they are in position to look to add to the offense. 

Lots of work to do here.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'm not on board with our OL being such a great selling point for a FA QB.   Simply because IMO we have 2 young guys on the left side... the C and RT, I can't say they will be here long enough to entice a FA QB.      If the idea is simply comparing to Seattle... wouldn't most teams say they have a better OL?    I mean, if you look at it,Washington could be a better place for a FA QB at the moment once all their guys get healthy.   They have more on defense, so they are in position to look to add to the offense. 

Lots of work to do here.

But this team has shown time and time again that is can rebuild the OL. They have long term stars in Mailata and Dickerson. They have Seumalo still here and Driscoll whos shown he's solid to good at least. And we know they will continue to draft OL and Stout will develop them. 

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But this team has shown time and time again that is can rebuild the OL. They have long term stars in Mailata and Dickerson. They have Seumalo still here and Driscoll whos shown he's solid to good at least. And we know they will continue to draft OL and Stout will develop them. 

We know this...like it's 100% sure that the next group of OL are going to be Kelce and Lane?   Two guys that have been elite level for a decade?  That easily replaced?   A QB wants targets... we need to get a few more of those.   Lots of work to do.

15 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He SAID SO HIMSELF. Now we need to change his mind by building a team this draft

When I have never seen once Wilson say I’m will not play in Philly. Please find me that link

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

We know this...like it's 100% sure that the next group of OL are going to be Kelce and Lane?   Two guys that have been elite level for a decade?  That easily replaced?   A QB wants targets... we need to get a few more of those.   Lots of work to do.

  Joe,

  YOU keep saying we have lots of work to do. Yet Cincinnati took 2 years and are in the SB. They were much worse off then we were before the 2020 draft. So I don't buy that we need 3 years to compete for a title. We Should be able to no later than 2023 season. Just need to draft right and sign the right players. We have maybe 1 WR on offense which can be taken care of in Free Agency. Draft Defensive talent at all 4 levels. Maybe 1-2 mid range Free agents on a 1 year prove it deal....

  Yes It may take 2 more years, but it is not impossible to do it in one. But I doubt we will with the current QB situation. So BG is not far off with his thinking.....

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

When I have never seen once Wilson say I’m will not play in Philly. Please find me that link

He was asked what teams he would be willing  to play for and we are not on that list, thats says he doesnt want to play here?  Seems fairly simple???

https://nypost.com/2021/12/08/russell-wilson-trade-rumors-bring-a-giants-twist/  Dont see Philly mentioned anywhere

19 minutes ago, stine said:

  Joe,

  YOU keep saying we have lots of work to do. Yet Cincinnati took 2 years and are in the SB. They were much worse off then we were before the 2020 draft. So I don't buy that we need 3 years to compete for a title. We Should be able to no later than 2023 season. Just need to draft right and sign the right players. We have maybe 1 WR on offense which can be taken care of in Free Agency. Draft Defensive talent at all 4 levels. Maybe 1-2 mid range Free agents on a 1 year prove it deal....

  Yes It may take 2 more years, but it is not impossible to do it in one. But I doubt we will with the current QB situation. So BG is not far off with his thinking.....

But like every Birds fan all across the globe, we are counting on Howie(this scares me)

So Howie basically hit a no brainer with Smith. I cant give him credit for a "brilliant" pick. Now he is pretty good at getting later round guys and my fear is he trades the top picks away becuse he is not comfortable drafting certain positions(which just so happens to be the spots we are in dire need of),which is why this teams fails and take eons to rebuild. He will trade down so he can pick the round 4 guys he is good at picking

Well, Smith, Dickerson were not bad picks. Although it is hard to screw up a top 10 pick. Milton Williams seems to be OK also.  He may turn out to be a solid player. So, maybe he will do OK this year. We can hope! Lord knows we cannot afford a terrible draft.....

1 hour ago, stine said:

  Joe,

  YOU keep saying we have lots of work to do. Yet Cincinnati took 2 years and are in the SB. They were much worse off then we were before the 2020 draft. So I don't buy that we need 3 years to compete for a title. We Should be able to no later than 2023 season. Just need to draft right and sign the right players. We have maybe 1 WR on offense which can be taken care of in Free Agency. Draft Defensive talent at all 4 levels. Maybe 1-2 mid range Free agents on a 1 year prove it deal....

  Yes It may take 2 more years, but it is not impossible to do it in one. But I doubt we will with the current QB situation. So BG is not far off with his thinking.....

How many players did Cincy have to replace ... on top of having to build up the rest of the roster?   This seems lost on our fanbase.    You got studs in Kelce, Lane, Cox, Slay.... you need to replace 2 safeties, you have one RB who will be here past 2022.  

I agree you can build these next 2 years... on top of what we have now, but we are also going to lose a handful of studs in that time as well. Which will take us a step back along the way.  

I look at our current squad ... Mailata, Dickerson, Goedert, Smith, Gainwell... Swet, Maddux, Milton.      Who else do you see for sure being here longer than 2 years?    It's a lot of work. Including having to land a QB. 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He was asked what teams he would be willing  to play for and we are not on that list, thats says he doesnt want to play here?  Seems fairly simple???

No means he would like to play for those 3 teams unless he flat out said I won’t play for Philly we just speculating… Wilson only listed 3 teams in his list I guarantee he is willing to play for more then just 3 teams 

Hell one of the teams on that list of his was the Saints anyone thinking he wants to go to cap strap NO now without Sean Payton??? Cuz I’m thinking he will pass on that now 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

How many players did Cincy have to replace ... on top of having to build up the rest of the roster?   This seems lost on our fanbase.    You got studs in Kelce, Lane, Cox, Slay.... you need to replace 2 safeties, you have one RB who will be here past 2022.  

I agree you can build these next 2 years... on top of what we have now, but we are also going to lose a handful of studs in that time as well. Which will take us a step back along the way.  

I look at our current squad ... Mailata, Dickerson, Goedert, Smith, Gainwell... Swet, Maddux, Milton.      Who else do you see for sure being here longer than 2 years?    It's a lot of work. Including having to land a QB. 

  Joe, I am not arguing that we have allot of needs. You think Cincy has less when they were 2-15? Heck no!  They still need players, mainly on the O-Line. Point is they got to the dance in two years from a pitiful team. Much worse than ours is now. Sure we won't be complete. We will have a few holes. But if Cincy can do it in two with that squad from 2019. We certainly can with ours....

4 minutes ago, stine said:

  Joe, I am not arguing that we have allot of needs. You think Cincy has less when they were 2-15? Heck no!  They still need players, mainly on the O-Line. Point is they got to the dance in two years from a pitiful team. Much worse than ours is now. Sure we won't be complete. We will have a few holes. But if Cincy can do it in two with that squad from 2019. We certainly can with ours....

Stine.... again you seem to be missing my point.   The Cincy team didn't have old studs that needed to be replaced.  Our old guys are the reason we weren't a 2 win team.   Do we have Burrow coming in?  Plus 1st picks in each round?    We are in worse shape if you look at things objectively.  

You are too much on stats and records... use the eyes and the common sense.  Rosters go through cycles...you have to replace old players with young ones.  If old players are part of your mediocrity... then you have to account for replacing them too.  

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

We know this...like it's 100% sure that the next group of OL are going to be Kelce and Lane?   Two guys that have been elite level for a decade?  That easily replaced?   A QB wants targets... we need to get a few more of those.   Lots of work to do.

I'm not saying that though but I'm saying this team has a proven record with the OL. And Lane isn't retiring yet and Kelce may come back for another year. So actually Wilson may be tempted to come on the basis that for a year or two he's still got those guys protecting him. 

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'm not saying that though but I'm saying this team has a proven record with the OL. And Lane isn't retiring yet and Kelce may come back for another year. So actually Wilson may be tempted to come on the basis that for a year or two he's still got those guys protecting him. 

Ok... so let's look a year or two.   Why would you as an Eagles fan want that?   Team isn't going anywhere in a year or two.  This is with us having to give up assets to get Wilson, assets needed to build up a team that needs a lot of work.  You don't there are other teams out there in much better shape ... to the point where our OL is going to be such a selling point?   I don't see it. For either side.

12 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Ok... so let's look a year or two.   Why would you as an Eagles fan want that?   Team isn't going anywhere in a year or two.  This is with us having to give up assets to get Wilson, assets needed to build up a team that needs a lot of work.  You don't there are other teams out there in much better shape ... to the point where our OL is going to be such a selling point?   I don't see it. For either side.

I as an Eagles fan don't want that! I've said that many times. 

17 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Stine.... again you seem to be missing my point.   The Cincy team didn't have old studs that needed to be replaced.  Our old guys are the reason we weren't a 2 win team.   Do we have Burrow coming in?  Plus 1st picks in each round?    We are in worse shape if you look at things objectively.  

You are too much on stats and records... use the eyes and the common sense.  Rosters go through cycles...you have to replace old players with young ones.  If old players are part of your mediocrity... then you have to account for replacing them too.  

  The Main position we need to address is QB. Yes Graham and Kelce are old and will not be here in 2 years. Lane will probably be gone in 3-4 also. I get that. My Eyes tell me we do not need more than Cincy did to get to where they are now. Cincy O-Line is a shambles and we don't need to add anything and will still be much better than they are. We Sign a #1 WR and that Position is set. RB is fine. QB is the huge question mark on the offense. The Defense needs to be addressed. We should be able to do so in the draft and Free agency. Will it be perfect? No, but it should be as good as Cincy's once we address it for the next two years.

   Again, QB is the one huge hole. That would be the only area that holds this team back from reaching the level Cincy is at IMO. You disagree. our Opinions differ. Nothing new. Interested to see what others think....

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I as an Eagles fan don't want that! I've said that many times. 

Wilson is up next year. He will be an FA,you aren't giving up anything except big money,which you will have to pay your QB whomever it is. Matters little what you or I "like". It's Howies team nobody elses. I am NOT against having this as an OPTION next year. Fact remains,we have to build an enticing team that he would actually like to play for, and this a BIG year to do it

22 hours ago, joemas6 said:

How many players did Cincy have to replace ... on top of having to build up the rest of the roster? 

Not that much lol Bengals roster didn’t drastically change all that much from 2020 to 2021 went from what a 4 win team to SB. 

19 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Why would you as an Eagles fan want that?   Team isn't going anywhere in a year or two.

Says who your old school 1970s way of how to build a team lol 😂…. Bengals didn’t just go from a 4 win team to a SB I forgot teams don’t do major turnarounds yearly. 
 

You were talking how major the rebuild was going to be after Kelly as well by 2017 we won a SB.

This Eagles team has solid young weapons has a strong OL a QB can put this offense over the top be a good unit. Defense will need help sure. But even if we traded for Russ two drafts picks hurts going to cripple are team so we can’t rebuild lol 

You can rebuild quickly in the NFL, IF you draft well and spend wisely. Allot of teams fail to do this, like the Jets and Jacksonville. You also need solid coaching. We need to depend on Howie. Now, he did get lucky in 2017. Every Move he made was a great move in free agency. Every trade he made worked. Drafts still seem to be his weakness. Can he fix it this year?

 

  

5 hours ago, stine said:

  The Main position we need to address is QB. Yes Graham and Kelce are old and will not be here in 2 years. Lane will probably be gone in 3-4 also. I get that. My Eyes tell me we do not need more than Cincy did to get to where they are now. Cincy O-Line is a shambles and we don't need to add anything and will still be much better than they are. We Sign a #1 WR and that Position is set. RB is fine. QB is the huge question mark on the offense. The Defense needs to be addressed. We should be able to do so in the draft and Free agency. Will it be perfect? No, but it should be as good as Cincy's once we address it for the next two years.

   Again, QB is the one huge hole. That would be the only area that holds this team back from reaching the level Cincy is at IMO. You disagree. our Opinions differ. Nothing new. Interested to see what others think....

I don't think we disagree as much as are talking about 2 different things. 

You tell me who you see here for sure past 2023?   Mailata, Dickerson, Smith,  Goedert and Gainwell.     We are not ok at RB with just Gainwell... you forget to mention losing Cox and Slay,when talking about Graham and Kelce.   Hargrave also might not be here.    

Cincy had weapons with Mixon and Boyd.  Being able to draft in the 1st position compared to where we are is huge.  Not just because Burrow was there, but because each round they had a top pick.  Higgins was used to get one of them.   

They were a 2 win team....look at their division at that time... the other 3 teams were all playoff level teams. They also had to deal with injuries.   The exact opposite of our 2021 season.  

They were absolutely in a better position to rebuild 2 years ago than we are now.  Not even a question.  

And we do agree the QB being the big issue.  They had a stud right there to get with just one pick.  We don't have a clear path to getting one at this point.  Luck needs to fall our way.

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Says who your old school 1970s way of how to build a team lol 😂…. Bengals didn’t just go from a 4 win team to a SB I forgot teams don’t do major turnarounds yearly. 
 

You were talking how major the rebuild was going to be after Kelly as well by 2017 we won a SB.

This Eagles team has solid young weapons has a strong OL a QB can put this offense over the top be a good unit. Defense will need help sure. But even if we traded for Russ two drafts picks hurts going to cripple are team so we can’t rebuild lol 

We were in much better position with players in their primes in 2016 after Kelly left.   Not even close to that now.  Still a divided team with old dudes and young dudes...  Goedert and Seamulo being the 2 exceptions.  

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Wilson is up next year. He will be an FA,you aren't giving up anything except big money,which you will have to pay your QB whomever it is. Matters little what you or I "like". It's Howies team nobody elses. I am NOT against having this as an OPTION next year. Fact remains,we have to build an enticing team that he would actually like to play for, and this a BIG year to do it

Completely agree with you. And if Wilson is available next year and he's coming off of a good year then sure we should look in to it as one of the options. But we should not, as you've said, be trading for him. We need to build this roster.