Then he’ll be the starter in 2023 season and it will be about him earning franchise money this season. On and on. The guy thrives under pressure…so it’s all good. Really like that about him. He doesn’t let the negative folks disrupt him. He keeps very even keel. Good fir the whole team.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

 

Now if he plays so so... and the Eagles fail to get another QB, then that's the only way you keep him at the bottom of the pay scale next year.    Then you tag him in 2024 for $40 mil or so... even if it's 35 or even 30 million... that's all cap hit... you don't do that for a guy you have questions about. 

This long honeymoon period where he plays for a discount just isn't going to happen.  

 

Eagles fail to get a QB. This is hilarious. The fail to get a QB fir three straight years and have to run with Hurts as their leader. This stuff is nonstop. If they want to make a change they will. You see the colts? Didn’t know they’d get Ryan….but Wentz was out. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Some really bad playing by Hurts on there...can't lie.  Some of it was so obvious.    Actually a lot of it was so obvious. 

Sometimes, especially early, he was 80 percent of the offense. He did have some terrible moments. Helped once the coaches started coaching better though. Less Reagor….more Quez. Get Ward out there some. Ertz was an issue in that locker room. I have to think so. He has been a huge player for us. Him becoming backup waiting to be traded and Goedert frustration with not getting his big payday and all the targets at TE. Wasn’t healthy. Think Ertz did ok. He didn’t TO blow stuff up. But it’s tough situation. Your star pass catcher just getting benched for the newer younger model. I can’t say all the plays that were bad by Hurts. Not sure how much these young guys were running the correct routes. Like even in the right area code. The details and nuisances we know they haven’t mastered. But feel Hurts had his share of missed opportunities. So that’s fair.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Some really bad playing by Hurts on there...can't lie.  Some of it was so obvious.    Actually a lot of it was so obvious. 

Almost a team wide thing. That usually gets me looking at the coach.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

That's great for your novel turned academy award winning film.  In real life it's not going to fly with a young African American QB considered a top 15 QB while making peanuts going into the final year of his contract with no long term security. 

We don't have to break the bank as far as top QB money... my point is top 15 QB  money is already 30 plus million. That's an albatross to your cap.

So your saying a second round QB could never ever go through his fourth season without being paid the big contract. And also saying no way would anybody tag an African American QB? Sounds good except….so WRONG!!!!! That other team on our division….has that guy…ughhh…Dak Prescott. Exactly what happened to him. Try again No Mas. Your whole theory just got blasted out the water.

Everything you just said no way could happen….just happened in Dallas. Geez man. You used to make stronger arguments.

Still LMAO….what a terrible argument to make.

Hurts hating makes people think crazy.

I’m going to continue to stand alone and try and be positive. QB played one season and you overthinking resigning him already. Worried about signing three first round picks and the money it will take to keep all them. Kind of dumb crap to worry about. I couldn’t envision Rosie picking three total studs anyway. Would hope he gets one out of that. If he got two right we’d be in total bonus land. All three? Laughable ….but that’s a good problem to have. I expect so much to change before we start the 2023 season. Can’t even fathom all the shakeups league wide. I expect plenty to still happen before this season starts.

I believe Hurts would be best in the West Coast offense. Just have him working on accurately throwing those short timing routes. Three steps and zing. Throw it knowing the guy will be there. Haven’t had anybody reliable enough in the offense for that yet. This year they should take the next step. Siri loves those WR screens and such. I’d like slants more. In and outs and comebacks that develop before any pass rush can get home. Basically do what Bellicheat does. This seems like the obvious plan should be. 

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I believe Hurts would be best in the West Coast offense. Just have him working on accurately throwing those short timing routes. Three steps and zing. Throw it knowing the guy will be there. Haven’t had anybody reliable enough in the offense for that yet. This year they should take the next step. Siri loves those WR screens and such. I’d like slants more. In and outs and comebacks that develop before any pass rush can get home. Basically do what Bellicheat does. This seems like the obvious plan should be. 

I'm not sure that's going to work for Hurts though? He doesn't throw with great timing and you want him to have the ball in his hands a little longer because of his ability to make plays with his legs. 

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

In one statement you say draft the playmaker. Then your next you say Rosie blew it. Trading  for a young stud that’s proven seems to solve all that.

Then I don't want to hear any complaints about bad contracts or going over the cap or cap hits,or dead money. yeah Rosie blew it because he did not select a play maker and he's done that multiple times,and while you can't hit on 100% of them, you can't make a habit out of blowing your round 1 pick

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They’ve had time to setup their culture. Now they get to add to there building process. Crucial season to judge the coaching.

Agreed

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'm not sure that's going to work for Hurts though? He doesn't throw with great timing and you want him to have the ball in his hands a little longer because of his ability to make plays with his legs. 

This is a HUGE thing for me and I will be watching. Has Hurts progressed from 1 read and run? Can he NOT stare down his ONE read??? I imagine teams have watched him enough now to know to force him to run left because he has trouble with accuracy running to his left. Can he make that adjustment,or better yet get the ball out so he can avoid running altogether? All QB growing pains to be sure and I want to see if he hit the weight room and has a little "ZIP" when he needs a laser, and if his deep ball has improved. So that is another reason I feel we need a top flight WR opposite Smith and if we get that can Hurts deliver? IMO that's what will make or break Hurts. I still feel he is a BU and will be paid as such unless he lights it up this year. I'm sure he has that in the back of his head,even though he won't say it. Prove it year, but as you know Howie is already on the hunt for a QB. I would still like to see Shew play in a meaningful game vs a decent opponent. He could end up being our #2 if we lose Hurts

20 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Then I don't want to hear any complaints about bad contracts or going over the cap or cap hits,or dead money. yeah Rosie blew it because he did not select a play maker and he's done that multiple times,and while you can't hit on 100% of them, you can't make a habit out of blowing your round 1 pick

BTW I HAVE and DO commend Howie for finding decent/solid/ok BU players LATE. His issue is picking in rounds 1 and 2. Maybe someone else should do that???? We can dream

10 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s two more seasons. Then can even use a tag. Got plenty of time to make any decisions here. At least need a second season playing under his belt. Always gives me hope because he improves every year.

Yea except most teams tend to do deals the year before the contract expires so that would be next year in 2023.

And if we opt to use the franchise tag isn’t some cheap option projected to be just under 32m in 2023 for a QB. 

These are all things we should be thinking about now. The fact you don’t want to talk about just screams even more why Hurts just isn’t it. They weren’t debating Wilson they knew he was the guy after the first year. 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The guy thrives under pressure

Really because that TB playoff game says otherwise. 

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I believe Hurts would be best in the West Coast offense. Just have him working on accurately throwing those short timing routes. Three steps and zing. Throw it knowing the guy will be there. Haven’t had anybody reliable enough in the offense for that yet. This year they should take the next step. Siri loves those WR screens and such. I’d like slants more. In and outs and comebacks that develop before any pass rush can get home. Basically do what Bellicheat does. This seems like the obvious plan should be. 

Yea we don’t have the reliable QB for it to work dude missing the easy short throws way to often horrible accuracy. Questionable decision making. 
dude is just a a lack luster passer just not the answer. 

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t like your math here. Like every starter is decent? Don’t think so. Basically Nelson from last year would be your stud corner guy. Don’t see that working anymore.

I don't think you learned math well as a kid.   Or reading comprehension wasn't taught properly.    I clearly said you have 64 starters .... getting 2 that are in the late 20s to early 40s...is pretty much the middle third isn't it?    So the middle range of the starters... considering there are 64 in the entire world, is probably " decent"   Unless for you it goes from stud CB right to below average?   

Idk where Nelson would be my stud, was he a top 10 CB??? 

Seriously dude... sometimes people actually mean exactly what they write,  there doesn't need to be any interpretation. 

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think decisions are being made every year. Signed Wentz to a mega contract. Bailed on him one year after that. If we decide to move on from Wentz and the biggest dead cap in history…..everybody always is on the block. That’s just the NFL.

Hurts... Hurts... Hurts.   You seem to be obsessed with Wentz.    Hurts is the guy who will play for us and will be up for contract extension.   Hurts.  Hurts.  Hurts.   No other QB is relevant at the moment.  

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Now you say that. Last offseason all you said was he’ll get one tryout year.

Now and for how many months have we all been saying this.  This is what the whole discussion has been about here.  Wow you are such a different planet than the rest of us!

I can't believe I keep taking the bait with this guy! 🤦‍♂️

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Really because that TB playoff game says otherwise. 

GB...this is where I actually agree with Ham. Hurts does pretty well under pressure.   When it's a bad opponent and it comes down to the end,  he has done pretty well.  There wasn't any pressure in the playoffs because the game was never close.  Really there was never any pressure in any game vs a decent team because it wasn't close.  

So this year,I fully expect Hurts to play well at the end of games vs bad teams.  What we need to see is if he can play well enough to put his team in position to be in a pressure situation vs a good team.   

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Yea except most teams tend to do deals the year before the contract expires so that would be next year in 2023.

And if we opt to use the franchise tag isn’t some cheap option projected to be just under 32m in 2023 for a QB. 

These are all things we should be thinking about now. The fact you don’t want to talk about just screams even more why Hurts just isn’t it. They weren’t debating Wilson they knew he was the guy after the first year. 

50 mil QBs are getting paid now….31 mil tag feels cheap comparatively.

59 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I don't think you learned math well as a kid.   Or reading comprehension wasn't taught properly.    I clearly said you have 64 starters .... getting 2 that are in the late 20s to early 40s...is pretty much the middle third isn't it?    So the middle range of the starters... considering there are 64 in the entire world, is probably " decent"   Unless for you it goes from stud CB right to below average?   

Idk where Nelson would be my stud, was he a top 10 CB??? 

Seriously dude... sometimes people actually mean exactly what they write,  there doesn't need to be any interpretation. 

Wasn’t Nelson right in your range? You want a bunch of them, no? Is that not what you said?

57 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Hurts... Hurts... Hurts.   You seem to be obsessed with Wentz.    Hurts is the guy who will play for us and will be up for contract extension.   Hurts.  Hurts.  Hurts.   No other QB is relevant at the moment.  

Every other QB is relevant. If a better guy becomes available we’ll go that route. Hurts making it tough to improve QB1 without some serious blockbuster stuff.

But I’m talking about every single player is always being evaluated. Very few are truly safe. NFL they just care about what you can do the next snap ….PERIOD.

57 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Now and for how many months have we all been saying this.  This is what the whole discussion has been about here.  Wow you are such a different planet than the rest of us!

You were saying that then. Every year is Hurts last …..or won’t even happen with you. But here he goes again. Kid is a fighter!