42 minutes ago, stine said:

sure that an Eagles writer would put down a positive total. I went thru 7 sites and the NFL Network has the highest total for the Eagles at 9.6 wins. Every other site has them at 8.5. So how does anyone in their right mind think 14 is right?

Well you know once AGAIN(like last year) we have the easiest schedule in the league. I think we really improved this offense, but teams won't be injury filled like last year,so I am looking at 9-10 wins. Run D should be very good again,even better than last year,but that suspect secondary will hurt us. So if we can match last year,playing teams at full strength,I would consider that a win as far as re-building. 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So you would have us losing to Arizona without Hopkins and to Pittsburgh with a rookie QB where they never beat us in Philly.... plus all loses to Tennessee,  Indy and Green Bay.   

Would you feel differently if in your mind we had a legit top 12-15 QB?  

  QB is one player of 22. Even So, if he is a top 15 than 15th best record could easily fall at 9 wins. I never buy the Easy Schedule crap. We never know how much coaching changes, what Injuries they have or how much they improved until they play the games....

I mean... 8 games vs Giants, Washington, Houston, Jax, Detroit and Chicago....for a legit playoff team last year that made all these improvements should be cake.   

Minnesota, Indy, Pittsburgh,  AZ, Tennessee and Saints ....you figure you can win 2 out of the 6.  That's 10.  And that's counting 2 losses to Dallas and one to Green Bay.  Both those teams took multiple hits to their WR corps.  

Only reasons I see that success not being there is a feeling last year wasn't legit and a concern for the QB.  Otherwise it's a no brainer double digit plus win season.

1 minute ago, stine said:

  QB is one player of 22. Even So, if he is a top 15 than 15th best record could easily fall at 9 wins. I never buy the Easy Schedule crap. We never know how much coaching changes, what Injuries they have or how much they improved until they play the games....

You think Tannehill was 15th best QB...yet Tennessee had much better record than 15th.

You look at this team... the concern lies in the 2nd CB... we know Slay and Maddox are more than fine at thr other 2 spots. ... and safety...which we lost McCloud..

So the loss of Nelson and McCloud.. for a team that had 9 wins... but gained Reddick, David,  White, Dean and getting Graham back to the front 7. 

Plus adding a true #1 WR and a legit #3 / #4 WR in Paschal...with Smith and Watkins gaining a year experience ( we know WRs take huge leaps in years 2 and 3)   

No losses to the OL or RBs...  

So all that improvement gets offset with losing Nelson and McCloud?

It has to be the thought that last year's record was a little BS...and the lack of confidence in the QB. Otherwise I can't see losing McCloud and Nelson as being that much of a factor. 

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You think Tannehill was 15th best QB...yet Tennessee had much better record than 15th.

You look at this team... the concern lies in the 2nd CB... we know Slay and Maddox are more than fine at thr other 2 spots. ... and safety...which we lost McCloud..

So the loss of Nelson and McCloud.. for a team that had 9 wins... but gained Reddick, David,  White, Dean and getting Graham back to the front 7. 

Plus adding a true #1 WR and a legit #3 / #4 WR in Paschal...with Smith and Watkins gaining a year experience ( we know WRs take huge leaps in years 2 and 3)   

No losses to the OL or RBs...  

So all that improvement gets offset with losing Nelson and McCloud?

It has to be the thought that last year's record was a little BS...and the lack of confidence in the QB. Otherwise I can't see losing McCloud and Nelson as being that much of a factor. 

Yeah the lines improved(on paper),but we didn't touch the secondary,maybe got a little worse there since nothing was addressed(yet). I'm hoping the pass rush we lacked last year is there this year. if not it could be tough sledding for the depleted secondary. I would still add Gipson(despite Hams bishing that he's old and he's all of 31 lol) on a 1 year stop gap. Experienced,cheap and along with Slay could offer advice to the young kids and he's not any worse than what else we have unless a BIG name S come available(kinda like we picked up Pascal before hitting the homer with Brown). If you don't hit the homer,you still have slightly improved the room

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah the lines improved(on paper),but we didn't touch the secondary,maybe got a little worse there since nothing was addressed(yet). I'm hoping the pass rush we lacked last year is there this year. if not it could be tough sledding for the depleted secondary. I would still add Gipson(despite Hams bishing that he's old and he's all of 31 lol) on a 1 year stop gap. Experienced,cheap and along with Slay could offer advice to the young kids and he's not any worse than what else we have unless a BIG name S come available(kinda like we picked up Pascal before hitting the homer with Brown). If you don't hit the homer,you still have slightly improved the room

Again... the base is a 9 win team (with last year's secondary) and all those other issues.   Huge improvement in the front 7...huge improvement at WR.  

I mean,we didn’t lose Troy Vincent and Brian Dawkins?   

Pass rush and run defense was an issue last year. That's huge 

FWIW department

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eagles-sign-keric-wheatfall

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Again... the base is a 9 win team (with last year's secondary) and all those other issues.   Huge improvement in the front 7...huge improvement at WR.  

I mean,we didn’t lose Troy Vincent and Brian Dawkins?   

Pass rush and run defense was an issue last year. That's huge 

Yep, but if teams have a QB/WR and they launch bombs it could make things rough since so far,we did nothing to make that secondary better. I know you can't fix it all at once(thus all the UDFA's with a prayer one pans out). We still could sign a FA to help out a bit

1 hour ago, EaglesTD123 said:

FWIW department

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eagles-sign-keric-wheatfall

Weird. We have a ton of WR's that will be let go,so let's add another LOL. Oh well,give as many a shot as possible I guess. Whomever makes the room better I am all for,even if they are BU's gimme the best 6 you can find

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/packers-strike-84-million-deal-with-top-cornerback-jaire-alexander/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=🏈Deshaun+Watson+meeting+with+NFL+officials&utm_campaign=NFL365+-+AdThrive+5%2F16%2F22   Adding to the FWIW pile.................

Frielund has us at 9.8. She's fact based, runs stats etc - blah, blah. Still sticken w/ 12! No feelin Frielen!

We play four games on a short week

No Mas I think you need to consider this:

Football Outsiders ranked the Eagles 25th in defensive DVOA. The team allowed 41 or more points three times. They were dead last in the league in completion percentage allowed (69.4%). And that number was higher at midseason. The Eagles had to get hot to get the number down to that. The defense was 31st in sacks. QBs simply weren’t challenged enough in 2021.

Yes... and still got 9 wins?    Why is that?

But now you add Reddick, Graham, Davis, Dean and White to that front 7.  That's nice impact right there.   

Then offensively you add Brown and Paschal... changes a weak WR group to a strong one.

Only reasons I can think of to not expect a huge improvement is that the 9 wins weren't really legit and the QB just isn't good.  Otherwise the rest is there. Huge improvements to front 7 and WR group.  

Don't face the AFC West or Tampa or SF.   Dallas, Tennessee,GB and AZ all down WRs from last year.   Even the Colts # 2 WR has become our #4.    Good stuff right there.

Amari Cooper,  Davante Adams, DeAndre Hopkins,  AJ Brown... all would have been our opponent this year.  Now " Big Play" Slay can go lock down the other WR.. and that should leave those offenses looking at 3rd and 4th options compared to what they had last year.  

That's huge.  Especially with a deeper more talented front 7.   Big run stuffer, a couple stud edge rushers, some nice LB pieces in the middle.  Add that to Cox, Hargrave, Milton and Sweat.     Should be tough for offenses, especially since we have that identify established offensively as a running team, but now with a strong group of receiving threats to compliment.    

Gotta be minimum 2 more wins than last year. 

9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So you would have us losing to Arizona without Hopkins and to Pittsburgh with a rookie QB where they never beat us in Philly.... plus all loses to Tennessee,  Indy and Green Bay.   

Would you feel differently if in your mind we had a legit top 12-15 QB?  

AZ without Hop doesn’t alter much they still have a potent O as long as Kyler is healthy. Pitt can’t see the rook being much worse then Big Ben last year so the O should be at least the same and there D.

If we had a legit top 12 QB might take couple swing games but still probably only see us around the 10-11 win mark 

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

AZ without Hop doesn’t alter much they still have a potent O as long as Kyler is healthy. Pitt can’t see the rook being much worse then Big Ben last year so the O should be at least the same and there D.

If we had a legit top 12 QB might take couple swing games but still probably only see us around the 10-11 win mark 

Ehhh... I think Murray is a little over-rated... relies on the WRs to make some nice catches a little top much. I think losing his top 2 guys from last year will hurt him early in the season.  They seemed to struggle when the WRs were out.    Pittsburgh,  I can see your point with the QB, still a rookie though.   Our OL should handle their front, weapons on the outside...our QB would be my question I'm this matchup. 

At this point, I would think the Eagles would be disappointed with anything less than 11 wins. Just playing the tougher teams at home is a huge advantage IMO.   

Just now, joemas6 said:

Ehhh... I think Murray is a little over-rated..

He is overrated no doubt still think AZ offense is potent though and in the most simple answer I can give I don’t trust our QB in any game when it will be put on his arm to win.

I don’t think we can keep up with AZ by just running. 

I will say we do face a lot of teams that probably won’t force Hurts to have to win with his arm though.

Teams like the Colts,Titans, Steelers lean on there RBs could lead to the game staying close letting us stay with our ground game.

But like we saw vs TB and most the good teams last year when the game was forced into Hurts beating them with his arm we looked terrible 

Even look at the Giants games if they had a half way decent offense they would have destroyed us in both games. We were dreadful vs them 

15 hours ago, joemas6 said:

You think Tannehill was 15th best QB...yet Tennessee had much better record than 15th.

You look at this team... the concern lies in the 2nd CB... we know Slay and Maddox are more than fine at thr other 2 spots. ... and safety...which we lost McCloud..

So the loss of Nelson and McCloud.. for a team that had 9 wins... but gained Reddick, David,  White, Dean and getting Graham back to the front 7. 

Plus adding a true #1 WR and a legit #3 / #4 WR in Paschal...with Smith and Watkins gaining a year experience ( we know WRs take huge leaps in years 2 and 3)   

No losses to the OL or RBs...  

So all that improvement gets offset with losing Nelson and McCloud?

It has to be the thought that last year's record was a little BS...and the lack of confidence in the QB. Otherwise I can't see losing McCloud and Nelson as being that much of a factor. 

  First, Who doesn't think last year was a fluke? Look at the QB's they faced. Second, you are forgetting that Cox turns 32 this year. Graham and Kelce are 34, Johnson is 32 and Slay (our #1 CB is 31. This gives you confidence we will do better against the pass this season? Hurts is still a huge Question Mark. Now, if Hurts proves to be better than we all feel he will, then I can see 10 wins or more. I would love to see us pull out 10-12 wins and win a play off game! I just don't see it as possible. Next year when we add a couple more pieces we have a legit shot, assuming we have a solid QB starting....

2 minutes ago, stine said:

  First, Who doesn't think last year was a fluke? Look at the QB's they faced. Second, you are forgetting that Cox turns 32 this year. Graham and Kelce are 34, Johnson is 32 and Slay (our #1 CB is 31. This gives you confidence we will do better against the pass this season? Hurts is still a huge Question Mark. Now, if Hurts proves to be better than we all feel he will, then I can see 10 wins or more. I would love to see us pull out 10-12 wins and win a play off game! I just don't see it as possible. Next year when we add a couple more pieces we have a legit shot, assuming we have a solid QB starting....

Stine.... I have been saying all this for a while.  My point... the moves that were made.... if we felt confident in the 9 wins and the QB...  should have us looking at 12 plus wins.   

The reasons you gave are exactly why we don't think we get 12 wins.   It's not because of the secondary....the secondary was already what it was last year.   

The excuse of " the Eagles have 4 short weeks"     ....I mean, 2 of those weeks are for Thursday and Saturday games,so the opponent also has a short week.     It's a tough thing to go play Houston after that 1pm home game???

I do love the moves Howie made this off season along with the draft. We added 6-7 pieces that will help us compete in the near future. Add a few more next season and I feel we have a solid team. How far it goes depends on coaching and QB play. Injuries always has its part too.....

15 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

Frielund has us at 9.8. She's fact based, runs stats etc - blah, blah. Still sticken w/ 12! No feelin Frielen!

9-10 is where I am at also. Game 10 depends on luck