Feels like we took a third mortgage out on our home. And all you guys can think is…it’s great!

45 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I like the LBs of Hicks, Bradham and Kendricks.   I wouldn't put the current guys there yet.

Is safety really suspect?  Or just that there isn't a big name?  

Hicks was always injured here. Kendricks wasn’t ever blockbuster. S is suspect….I’m a fan of Epps even.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

52 million though? That’s a fourth of our cap money.

This is the end of the deal with the Wentz contract! A very unusual situation to have to deal with a huge contract like that. You expect this to go away in one year? Really? HR had to spread it out over 2-3 years so we could function. So next year we have 23-25 mil and most is Cox. Maybe we eat that or spread that out a year or so to create more space. Point is, the dead money will be manageable next season.

  

So you combine the dead money and backloading and it just limits us by the time we actually get a team trying to contend. Huge gap from second tier to being the best. Usually need that Neon Deion type move to complete the team needs.

1 minute ago, stine said:

This is the end of the deal with the Wentz contract! A very unusual situation to have to deal with a huge contract like that. You expect this to go away in one year? Really? HR had to spread it out over 2-3 years so we could function. So next year we have 23-25 mil and most is Cox. Maybe we eat that or spread that out a year or so to create more space. Point is, the dead money will be manageable next season.

  

Look at the link I posted of dead money

We have much more dead money next year than you think. Because what your not seeing or realizing is all these long term contracts that were really one year deals. So Rosie could spread signing bonuses. 

3 minutes ago, stine said:

This is the end of the deal with the Wentz contract! A very unusual situation to have to deal with a huge contract like that. You expect this to go away in one year? Really? HR had to spread it out over 2-3 years so we could function. So next year we have 23-25 mil and most is Cox. Maybe we eat that or spread that out a year or so to create more space. Point is, the dead money will be manageable next season.

  

We are pretty well capped out for the next few years. That’s why AJs contract is like that. Can’t really pay him on the cap until three years from now and beyond. Piper gets paid regardless. Rosie has us so backed up we pay for this years play three years from now consistently. Feels like a weight we can break free if to me.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We have much more dead money next year than you think. Because what your not seeing or realizing is all these long term contracts that were really one year deals. So Rosie could spread signing bonuses. 

  Allot of that dead money disappears as the contracts will be cancelled. I do not think the Signing bonuses are going to be that much of an issue as you feel. I do know that it will not be near the 52 mil it is now!

 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We are pretty well capped out for the next few years. That’s why AJs contract is like that. Can’t really pay him on the cap until three years from now and beyond. Piper gets paid regardless. Rosie has us so backed up we pay for this years play three years from now consistently. Feels like a weight we can break free if to me.

  You need to stop looking at over the Cap for Cap space. First they are not using the correct numbers. Second they do not take into account phantom contracts. Also, they do not even have the correct Cap Limit!

6 minutes ago, stine said:

  Allot of that dead money disappears as the contracts will be cancelled. I do not think the Signing bonuses are going to be that much of an issue as you feel. I do know that it will not be near the 52 mil it is now!

 

Let’s take the standard one year contract Rosie is dealing out. Got Bradbury for 7 mil. 5 mil of that will hit the cap next season as dead money. On and on…

6 minutes ago, stine said:

  You need to stop looking at over the Cap for Cap space. First they are not using the correct numbers. Second they do not take into account phantom contracts. Also, they do not even have the correct Cap Limit!

PFF graded us next to last in cap health for the next three years.

6 minutes ago, stine said:

  You need to stop looking at over the Cap for Cap space. First they are not using the correct numbers. Second they do not take into account phantom contracts. Also, they do not even have the correct Cap Limit!

Yeah…it’s actually worse when these one year contracts that are written as five year contracts void.

10 minutes ago, stine said:

  Allot of that dead money disappears as the contracts will be cancelled. I do not think the Signing bonuses are going to be that much of an issue as you feel. I do know that it will not be near the 52 mil it is now!

 

You don’t think it’s much? If Bradbury 7 mil ….5 mil will hit next year dead. These signing bonus money is a huge deal. That’s how he’s doing it.

45 minutes ago, stine said:

  You need to stop looking at over the Cap for Cap space. First they are not using the correct numbers. Second they do not take into account phantom contracts. Also, they do not even have the correct Cap Limit!

I think the issue is you do not understand the cap, not that OTC is wrong.  I will take the softball first.

2023 they are using the projected 238 million cap number for their calculations.  What do you think the number should be ??

Eagles currently already have 25 million dead for 2023.  That is before the phantom numbers for Hargrave, Seumalo, Bradberry, White, Harris and Edwards hit the books.  Then you have the June 1 release of Cox and Kelce to add to that.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What about Orlando Brown Jalen Ramsey….? Actually been plenty of guys traded first. Sure teams are looking to extend and sign these guys. 

What happens most of the time?  That's your answer.  When u are looking at the bidding war or mid season,  that's when you see " plenty" guys just get signed without the extension in place... the trades that happen in the winter/ early spring usually have a longer term deal in place first.  

It's like you give Howie a backhanded compliment.   His issue is player selection, not contracts.  

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

After 2018 the team was capped out forcing overpaid vets because that’s all they could afford anymore. And by afford….I’m talking about being able to spend future money. You think it was brilliant to sink everything into 2019 and 2020. I just don’t!

Team was not " capped out" stop it.

The Eagles... 30 mil cap space with 40 mil dead money

Dallas 3 mil cap space with ZERO dead money... Ham will think Dallas is in better shape.

Lol.  Clueless!

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s a three year contract if the team excercises the out. When they do that AJ will fairly likely want to force a trade again. They have to exercise the out but extend him and rework. Did you look it over?

Ham...  that's how contracts work.

The last year you look to move on or redo a deal. Team has leverage that way.

What world are you living in that you think the ideal way is that the contract runs out and then they sign the next deal?

Why would the player want a new deal?  Because he feels he earned it.  That's the players you want.

If they don't earn it, the team gets rid of them prior to the last year.    " oh no, 2026 there could be 1.5 mil of dead money when the cap will be over 300 mil.   How can they survive?? 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So it’s not always locked in the new contract when the trade is made. The key with AJ is Rosie caught his agent on a fairly quick timeline.

Dude.... stop just stop.  Backhanded compliment to Howie.   Stick to 7th round draft picks to " call"  salary cap isn't your thing.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not for you. You love dead money and being forced to cut good players.

You love that Rosie keeps spending. Is there ever an acceptable time for you to consider,with a rolling cap, to not spend?

Who were the " good" players we were forced to cut?   Then look at Dallas?   I'll wait.   " Malcolm Jenkins"   that is your answer, that's it lately.  That wasn't a " forced to cut" they didn't want to pay.    

You work in theory, not practice.  You still live in Joe Banner early 2000s mode. Things have changed, pay attention you will learn things.   A little humility instead of the obnoxious know it all routine might work better. 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So you just can’t wrap your head around how much better this team and the future would be without being saddled with this 52 million? Do we bow out of the Marcus Williams FA signing if we have that cap room?

Like Dallas... you can't get your head around reality.  Practice not theory. 

Which team used free agency and trades for players more than the Eagles this year?   

You manage the cap so you can sign guys and make trades.   Having cap space just because....was Joe Banner outdated way of thinking.   

As a fan, you want your team to be able to make a move or 2 in free agency....and not have to unload good players.    You compare your team to thr other 31 teams.  

To complain about your team's method ...logic should tell you 16 of the other 31 teams are doing it better.  Even say 10 or 5.    We're there 5 teams who were able to make more major moves than the Eagles? And still be in good cap shape going forward?  

The player selection, especially the draft has been the issue, not cap.

You have years of drafts ... Between Lane Johnson and Miles Sanders.... Dillard, Barnett and Seamulo are all you have to show for it.  That's a problem.  That's years of mistakes. Yet to focus on contracts that haven't forced getting rid of any good players or prevented us from signing anyone.... just clueless.

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Yes, teams have dead money, but ours is over the top, has been the last 3 years, and we already have more than double of 30 teams next year.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

And how does the cap space look?   It really changed our offseason all this dead money didn't it?

Do you think other teams will make moves that will put more dead money on their books?    At the end of the day the bottom line is cap space,  not dead money.

Who is our next big contract we are giving out?   Would only be the QB.  Other teams have contract issues coming up.  That changes things, it's a fluid situation, and going forward,  the Eagles look pretty good because of the roster shifting from older to younger. AJ and Reddick are locked up for a few years. Goedert and that 2018 draft class too.  The 2021 class can't be extended until they play 2 more seasons.  They can really set it up to shape a young roster going forward, especially if the next QB is drafted next year.

The key to get this team back is continuing to draft well.  They can't go 4 year gaps without any keepers on the roster. 

Years 5 to 8...second contracts for players, that's the prime age. You need those players. 

2017 team had 2010-2013 draft classes...Graham, Kelce, Cox, Lane, Ertz, ...and a bunch of others still on the roster as the core.   The team has struggled... due to not having anything from 2014- 2017 drafts.   It's not coincidence.  

2018 class entering that prime now.  The 2 drafts after that don't look so good, if they struggle for the next couple of years,  that's the issue,  not " dead money"

 

Dolphins just got hit hard for tampering lost a 1st in 2023 and a 3rd in 2024.

Owner suspended and fined 1.5m 

29 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And how does the cap space look?   It really changed our offseason all this dead money didn't it?

Do you think other teams will make moves that will put more dead money on their books?    At the end of the day the bottom line is cap space,  not dead money.

Here is all the actual dead money projected for next year, and the following.  For this calculation, I added back in the current dead money to the current cap space so you can see it from start to finish, and figured the likely retirement of Kelce and the release of Cox, which both contract were set up for exactly that.  Once all the current dummy years accelerate into 2023, the Eagles are projected to be 31.9 million over the cap.  

 

@paco did I miss anything ??