1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Texans, as they are spending the 60 million on players that can help them win games instead of not being able to spend it at all.

 

Example, after the 2022 free agency period

 

Eagles have 8.9 million in cap space, and 55 million dead.

Ravens have 8.5 million in cap space, 14.9 million dead, and Marcus Williams ( who the Eagles also pursued )

Saints have 11.2 million in cap space, 33 million dead, and the Honey Badger ( who the Eagles also pursued )

 

So the Texans can spend more in free agency to better their current roster than Cleveland?

Going forward... you think the Texans are in better shape?

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Texans, as they are spending the 60 million on players that can help them win games instead of not being able to spend it at all.

 

Example, after the 2022 free agency period

 

Eagles have 8.9 million in cap space, and 55 million dead.

Ravens have 8.5 million in cap space, 14.9 million dead, and Marcus Williams ( who the Eagles also pursued )

Saints have 11.2 million in cap space, 33 million dead, and the Honey Badger ( who the Eagles also pursued )

 

So did the Saints get Redick, White, Bradberry, Brown ???     Oh...I'm sorry,that doesn't count because we only obsess about the thing we don't have?    

How the Saints being $58 mil over the cap currently for 2023? 

Gotta look at the whole picture. 

OMG.... the Eagles didn't get everyone they pursued?    Call the police!    Anyone who thinks it's because they actually financially couldn't get the player instead of actually just choosing not to spend....then we disagree.   

I think the fantasy football and just thinking we can buy all the players has gotten ridiculous.   Complaining about the Eagles not getting a player this particular offseason, head totally in the clouds.   That's not how real life works ... 32 teams in the league, they can all sign a free agent.   You draft the player, you get the player.   Barring Eli and Elway which I'm sure the geniuses will bring up. 

Eagles issues currently are due to bad drafts. 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So did the Saints get Redick, White, Bradberry, Brown ???     Oh...I'm sorry,that doesn't count because we only obsess about the thing we don't have?    

How the Saints being $58 mil over the cap currently for 2023? 

Gotta look at the whole picture. 

White and Bradberry are on 1 year deals, and have dead hits in 2023.

We traded a 1st round pick for AJ Brown.

The Saints signed the Honey Badger and Marcus Maye to multi year deals.

What you are missing, is if we didn't have 50 million in dead money this year, we could have had

Reddick, White ( on a longer deal without dummy years ) Bradberry ( on a longer deal without dummy years ) AJ Brown and Marcus Williams, the top free agent safety at the position of biggest need for the Eagles.

Marcus Williams 2022 cap hit 4 million ( Eagles dead cap 55.3 million )

Marcus Williams 2023 cap hit 7.8 million ( Eagles dead cap projected to be 64.3 million )

 

@paco we got a real live one year.  60 million in dead cap is OK cause we saved 1.5 million we can spend.

21 minutes ago, downundermike said:

White and Bradberry are on 1 year deals, and have dead hits in 2023.

We traded a 1st round pick for AJ Brown.

The Saints signed the Honey Badger and Marcus Maye to multi year deals.

What you are missing, is if we didn't have 50 million in dead money this year, we could have had

Reddick, White ( on a longer deal without dummy years ) Bradberry ( on a longer deal without dummy years ) AJ Brown and Marcus Williams, the top free agent safety at the position of biggest need for the Eagles.

Marcus Williams 2022 cap hit 4 million ( Eagles dead cap 55.3 million )

Marcus Williams 2023 cap hit 7.8 million ( Eagles dead cap projected to be 64.3 million )

 

@paco we got a real live one year.  60 million in dead cap is OK cause we saved 1.5 million we can spend.

So you are saying the Saints are in better position going forward than the Eagles?

And you think we couldn't sign the other guys to longer term deals due to cap?   Not because either the player or the team wanted to see how this year went?

Yea we disagree in these.  

Saints are in trouble bro.... glad they got a safety though...lol.  

Thank goodness the fans don't work in the finance department.   Dallas can't sign anyone for a decade... but golly gee whiz beaver... they don't have any dead money.   Lol.

Instead of watching the Superbowl this year you guys should tune in to the Accounting Bowl.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Thank goodness the fans don't work in the finance department.   Dallas can't sign anyone for a decade... but golly gee whiz beaver... they don't have any dead money.   Lol.

What ??

In 2024 the Cowboys have 80 million in cap room with 46 players under contract.

In 2024, the Eagles have 41.6 million in cap room with 36 players under contract.

So in 2024, the Cowboys have twice the cap room and 10 more players already under contract.

 

You sir, are kinda dense.

Here is a scenario...

If they didn't have " dead " money...they would have paid more up front.  Which equals less carryover.  Which equals less cap space.   All the other numbers work to get cap space.  It doesn't matter if it's dead money or not ... it's the space that's available that matters. 

To say " if they had less dead money on the books then they would have more cap space... that is the simpleton point of view, it doesn't work like that.  You have to look into prior year and carry forward. 

An example ... one genius a few years ago that he would have paid Ertz and made 20 million count year 1.   He didn't get that it still takes away cap from future years.

Ertz plays for you for 3 years. You pay him $35 mil.    5 years later it doesn't help any if part of that $35 mil was paid in years 4 and 5. It's still the same.  But you feel better because it's not dead money. Lol.  

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What ??

In 2024 the Cowboys have 80 million in cap room with 46 players under contract.

In 2024, the Eagles have 41.6 million in cap room with 36 players under contract.

So in 2024, the Cowboys have twice the cap room and 10 more players already under contract.

 

You sir, are kinda dense.

Mike... let's see what happens next year. Then we'll talk.    You are a little behind... live in the moment type.   You like that Dallas is showing good cap space for next year?   You ignore years of not having it, and call me dense?    Just like Ham...OMG the Eagles can't buy every free agent like I can in my video game... yet Dallas is great?    Lol. 

Oh... 2024.. not even next year.   Lol.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Mike... let's see what happens next year.

I have already taken screen shots and saved this conversation, see you at the start of the 2023 league year.

16 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I have already taken screen shots and saved this conversation, see you at the start of the 2023 league year.

Absolutely... we can screen shot this for 2031... if the Eagles don't sign any free agents until then, maybe Dallas can catch up????      They managed the cap so well, I'm sure it will work.

Probably not going to move any of Daks 102 mil to 2024... or sign Parsons.  That money will be there for 2024... it has been there 15 year plan all along.

The Phillies are making moves.   

9 hours ago, downundermike said:

Yes, teams have dead money, but ours is over the top, has been the last 3 years, and we already have more than double of 30 teams next year.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

UM because next year we could be contending for a SB??? Isn't that the ebb and flow of rebuilds? Of course the Browns were rebuilding for 35 years,we did it in 3? But we should complain? We are NOT paying 35 million for the QB position?

9 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Feels like we took a third mortgage out on our home. And all you guys can think is…it’s great!

You need to move then

9 hours ago, downundermike said:

I think the issue is you do not understand the cap, not that OTC is wrong.  I will take the softball first.

2023 they are using the projected 238 million cap number for their calculations.  What do you think the number should be ??

Eagles currently already have 25 million dead for 2023.  That is before the phantom numbers for Hargrave, Seumalo, Bradberry, White, Harris and Edwards hit the books.  Then you have the June 1 release of Cox and Kelce to add to that.

So what do you want to do,not pay anyone and be trash for 3 years until you clear the cap off??? nothing like killing your fan base off(see the WUSS aka Commanders). At their practice 17 people showed lmao. This would kill off jersey sales,fan attendance,concessions.This is a business,the idea is to make money LOL,but you want Lurie to say "oh well I dont care if I lose money,let's clear the cap" HAHAHA GL with that

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So what do you want to do,not pay anyone and be trash for 3 years until you clear the cap off??? nothing like killing your fan base off(see the WUSS aka Commanders). At their practice 17 people showed lmao. This would kill off jersey sales,fan attendance,concessions.This is a business,the idea is to make money LOL,but you want Lurie to say "oh well I dont care if I lose money,let's clear the cap" HAHAHA GL with that

There was the big flaw where Mike didn't understand that the guys he mentioned are already on the books.    I think we cleared that up.  But who knows?  Apparently dead money seems to take up more cap space than active player money?   The cap doesn't see the difference,  its all the same.  Eagles need to hit on their drafts.  No way around it.

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

We traded a 1st round pick for AJ Brown.

Because Howie was ahead of the curve??? and he rolled over another round 1 pick next year? We gave up a 1 pick for an already established #1 WR OR we could have taken a top draft pick(basically the same thing and we already have Smith)

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

There was the big flaw where Mike didn't understand that the guys he mentioned are already on the books.    I think we cleared that up.  But who knows?  Apparently dead money seems to take up more cap space than active player money?   The cap doesn't see the difference,  its all the same.  Eagles need to hit on their drafts.  No way around it.

Hitting draft picks sure makes life easier. We are still paying for some bad picks he made earlier,he has corrected that the last 2 drafts,so I suspect we see alot better figures from now on as the draftees pan out and we dont need to rush out and sign players. We can also avoid the JP BS he raped us into

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/philadelphia-eagles-jalen-hurts-jalen-reagor-training-camp-observations-2022/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Dolphins+lose+draft+picks%2C+owner+suspended🚨&utm_campaign=NFL365+-+AdThrive+8%2F2%2F22

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hitting draft picks sure makes life easier. We are still paying for some bad picks he made earlier,he has corrected that the last 2 drafts,so I suspect we see alot better figures from now on as the draftees pan out and we dont need to rush out and sign players. We can also avoid the JP BS he raped us into

Still uphill battle. In 2 years only Quez and Driscoll will be here from 2019-20 drafts.   " but money management is the problem"??? 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/philadelphia-eagles-jalen-hurts-jalen-reagor-training-camp-observations-2022/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Dolphins+lose+draft+picks%2C+owner+suspended🚨&utm_campaign=NFL365+-+AdThrive+8%2F2%2F22

As an "offensive guy"(yes I can be offensive LOL what sticks out to me is Smith beat Bradberry and AJ beat Slay and neither of them are slouches. Another nice fact is Hurts saw them and got the ball to them

We could go into 2024 with Goedert, Mailata, Sweat, Maddox, Quez and Driscoll..  from 2014 to 2020 drafts. 

But contracts are the problem?  We missed on a safety free agent, after signing all the other guys.... but let's not think having those few guys from 7 drafts are a problem...lol

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Still uphill battle. In 2 years only Quez and Driscoll will be here from 2019-20 drafts.   " but money management is the problem"??? 

Always fluid,you can plan ahead but there are always surpises,or disappointing players. I think Howie responds very well to that,even though he caused some of it. Seems he has grown as a GM. The last 2 drafts I have nothing to complain about

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We could go into 2024 with Goedert, Mailata, Sweat, Maddox, Quez and Driscoll..  from 2014 to 2020 drafts. 

But contracts are the problem?  We missed on a safety free agent, after signing all the other guys.... but let's not think having those few guys from 7 drafts are a problem...lol

Really am happy with how the future is looking. yes there are still upgrades we can make,that really never ends,but we have rebuilt in what I feel is record time and Howie has secured future HIGH picks. IDK why people complain,we will CONTEND THIS YEAR if Hurts shows us anything at all. If he can grow and we end up paying him we can contend for SB's for the next 2-3 years. My goal this year is 10-11 wins and 2 playoff wins. I totally think that is possible and yes I will still call for ONE more TD per game. Some thing that is out of reach? if we can't score 1 more TD with this squad than we did last year we should throw in the towel. basically if Sanders can score 1 TD per game we are home free LOL(forgetting the top WR crew we have now and a better defense)