So how about this logic. QB salaries are crazy. Take up a huge chunk of cap. So what if you decided that it isn’t best way to sustain winning to pay franchise QB money. That we look successful under rookie QB contracts. 

So under this thought process we decide to trade Hurts this offseason. So we can draft another QB. That way we keep money spread around the team. Gotta figure Hurts would be a very hot commodity. We have two first round picks already. Two 2024 seconds. Add in a Hurts trade. What could we easily assume Hurts could bring in for us on his cheap last year of rookie deal? Very young player.

Two firsts and two seconds? I don’t want to get into crazy fantasy land here. Trying to stay conservative to think through this option. 

I believe in considering every option. Everybody is tradeable. Big picture what’s best for the team.

I think it’s worth considering.

I’ve been a fan of Hurts. Many seem to be all about having a franchise QB. So this idea goes against both lines of thinking.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Don’t agree. Sure Tom Brady has managed well without RBs. Chiefs only won one. But had two RB committee actually. Invested pretty heavily actually. Rams took Akers 52nd

You can do research...it's not really my opinion....it's kinda fact. The top RBs haven't translated to team success.  

Makes sense to invest in Miles Sanders 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Watched the Niners give real threat and scares by running the ball and being physical. If FL boy at S holds on to the interception they are in the SB. Titans play against anybody on the back of Henry. Sure isn’t because if Tannehill.

AND THE 49ERS DIDN'T INVEST IN RB

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But it amazes me how you get stuck in the only one way to win mentality. This get the best Qb and you can win it all mode. Yet ARod been that and hasn’t. Allen been that and hasn’t. Mahomes been that and just accomplished it once so far. I can’t really slide the scale for Brady. He’s been in most of them over that whole time period. Utilizing the greatest player of all time cheating just isn’t a real plan. 

It amazes me how you like to ignore facts.   

58 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We can do ok just having ho hum tough runners that aren’t real gifted like Scott and Gainwell. But I can really see us creating real problems for teams with a committee RB situation that has two top guys. Or at least above average.

We can win the Superbowl like we did 5 years ago...without heavy investment in RB.. just like the other SB winners of the 21sr century ( other than Seattle)  if you take away Seattle and Tom Brady....that's still a dozen or so teams without a top rusher winning the SB.   

The committee works by not only saving money...but it allows multiple quality RBs to get action and stay fresh.

You don't pay top dollar and then draft another high pick at RB...to use in a committee.  Just poor use of assets trying to go for sizzle instead of steak.

 

 

 

What was Tennessee's record last year without Henry?

How did the Eagles do without Sanders in the lineup?   Both wins and stat wise?

You gotta look at impact, not just flash.

A player like Davis...  while not " flashy"... you see the difference he makes when he is in the lineup. 

I'm not investing $$ in Sanders. I'll draft another day 2 RB. Keep him cheap for 4 years...sign a cheap vet. Then have Gainwell, Sermon and any other UDFA or cheap vet battle it out.  

I need to build my lines. Pay the QB ( if that's the route they go) and then use anything else for foundation stuff...not RB. 

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

You can do research...it's not really my opinion....it's kinda fact. The top RBs haven't translated to team success.  

Makes sense to invest in Miles Sanders 

How about the tandem of Dillon and Jones for the Pack

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

AND THE 49ERS DIDN'T INVEST IN RB

It amazes me how you like to ignore facts.   

Niners went all in on McCaffrey now

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

AND THE 49ERS DIDN'T INVEST IN RB

It amazes me how you like to ignore facts.   

Carlos Hyde in the second. Lamichael James in the second.

Davis-price in the third this latest draft

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

We can win the Superbowl like we did 5 years ago...without heavy investment in RB.. just like the other SB winners of the 21sr century ( other than Seattle)  if you take away Seattle and Tom Brady....that's still a dozen or so teams without a top rusher winning the SB.   

The committee works by not only saving money...but it allows multiple quality RBs to get action and stay fresh.

You don't pay top dollar and then draft another high pick at RB...to use in a committee.  Just poor use of assets trying to go for sizzle instead of steak.

 

 

 

Our committee ideas differ. Your saying use several mediocre guys. I’m thinking have two talented guys and maybe a scar back.

Like an actual talented committee

But you pointing to our super season. We were stacked. Sproles got injured though. But Blunt and Ajayi had career seasons. Clement came from nowhere and went for a 100 receiving in the big game. Blunt and Ajayi brought that physicality.

Blunt and Ajayi were long shots that the league gave up on. Clement undrafted. So this is your plan to rely on? Undrafted kid never catching passes grabbing 100 yards. And Ajayi actually holding up fir that one season. Blunt had a better track record.

That was some miraculous stuff to work out. I’m not planning and relying on those types though.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

We can win the Superbowl like we did 5 years ago...without heavy investment in RB.. just like the other SB winners of the 21sr century ( other than Seattle)  if you take away Seattle and Tom Brady....that's still a dozen or so teams without a top rusher winning the SB.   

The committee works by not only saving money...but it allows multiple quality RBs to get action and stay fresh.

You don't pay top dollar and then draft another high pick at RB...to use in a committee.  Just poor use of assets trying to go for sizzle instead of steak.

 

 

 

Multiple quality RBs is the key. Not leftover bottomed feeders. Not a bunch of Gainwell’s.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How about the tandem of Dillon and Jones for the Pack

Niners went all in on McCaffrey now

That's great.    You think investing in Dillon and Love was smart for GB...after already having Jones?  You don't think a WR or two and maybe an OL ...or even a TE would have helped more?  And perhaps another adequate backup RB?

SF has been a very good rushing team... well before McCaffrey.   Right now McCaffrey isn't their top rusher...Mitchell has been more carries and yards the last few games.  

You have an Eagles team resetting after this year... why would you invest in RB?  Especially Sanders...whatever special ability you see in him...in 4 years it hasn't translated much into impacting winning.   

For a dude that loves Hurts and wants him around for long term, I just don't understand why you would want Sanders and not invest the money elsewhere?  RG for example.  You have agreed with me that the Giants should have taken Nelson instead of Barkley.  Has there been a better RB prospect since Barkley?  Much better off going lines and using 2nd round pick or lower for RB.   If we can lock in a stud RG long term... much better than Sanders. 

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Carlos Hyde in the second. Lamichael James in the second.

Davis-price in the third this latest draft

Yes....let's draft in the 2nd.   Have you been paying attention.   Draft day 2...cheap young RB for 4 years.   Much better than paying Sanders!

Keep coming up with examples...I agree with all of it showing to draft rather than pay.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

What was Tennessee's record last year without Henry?

How did the Eagles do without Sanders in the lineup?   Both wins and stat wise?

You gotta look at impact, not just flash.

A player like Davis...  while not " flashy"... you see the difference he makes when he is in the lineup. 

I'm not investing $$ in Sanders. I'll draft another day 2 RB. Keep him cheap for 4 years...sign a cheap vet. Then have Gainwell, Sermon and any other UDFA or cheap vet battle it out.  

I need to build my lines. Pay the QB ( if that's the route they go) and then use anything else for foundation stuff...not RB. 

Second round pick is a big investment

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Multiple quality RBs is the key. Not leftover bottomed feeders. Not a bunch of Gainwell’s.

Yes... I don't want a bunch of Gainwells.    But I'm not paying a guy like Sanders.  3 adequate RBs is fine.  But I don't pay top 10 money for adequate 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Second round pick is a big investment

No it's not financially 

I’m balancing paying guys versus drafting. If we pay Sanders we could use that second elsewhere. But really like the idea of drafting a stud to pair up. I don’t know all the numbers on Sanders being out. I know Scott lit the Gmen up.

And I'm ok investing 2nd round pick every 4 years.  You hit along the way with a late round pick or UDFA...that's a great committee

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m balancing paying guys versus drafting. If we pay Sanders we could use that second elsewhere. But really like the idea of drafting a stud to pair up. I don’t know all the numbers on Sanders being out. I know Scott lit the Gmen up.

If we draft a RB...we can use the money elsewhere.  Much better method.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m balancing paying guys versus drafting. If we pay Sanders we could use that second elsewhere. But really like the idea of drafting a stud to pair up. I don’t know all the numbers on Sanders being out. I know Scott lit the Gmen up.

Research the numbers.  Not much difference.  Sanders just isn't an impact player.  No intangibles.   The Wentz of RBs you could say.   

If we talking about the big time games though….Tampa Bay type. Having a Gainwell and undrafted guy isn’t moving the needle. I can envision usdominating with a Chubb and Hunt type situation. Or like I said the Pack. Our Oline is big built to bully. Stout great coach. Rely on him the Oline Run Game Coordinator. Add in QB1.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And I'm ok investing 2nd round pick every 4 years.  You hit along the way with a late round pick or UDFA...that's a great committee

If we draft a RB...we can use the money elsewhere.  Much better method.

That’s a big price for a RB for Rosie. He wouldn’t do it until almost forced to with Sanders.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If we talking about the big time games though….Tampa Bay type. Having a Gainwell and undrafted guy isn’t moving the needle. I can envision usdominating with a Chubb and Hunt type situation. Or like I said the Pack. Our Oline is big built to bully. Stout great coach. Rely on him the Oline Run Game Coordinator. Add in QB1.

Ham.... we agree get the RB round 2.  That's supposed to be a stud. They don't get drafted round 1 much anymore.   Sanders was 2nd RB taken...let's keep it there.  Don't pay Sanders and don't wait until UDFA either.