1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Or maybe just consider different ideas. Not just one.

Just seemed you were dead set loving trading away this years first fir saints first next year was about the QB position.

But taking a QB was a "different idea" So stop the hypocrisy and consider that was ON the table AT THAT TIME as a"different idea". And to be honest,we didn't know if Hurts was going to improve or not. So Howie gave him every weapon know to man and it was sink or swim THIS YEAR and WHY picking up the Saints 1 pick gave him another shot at a QB if Hurts had failed 

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IF you loved the trade so much why do you keep pushing the "we shoulda taken that safety". If that trade didn't happen we probably would have take Olave over Davis(cause you're not getting both)

You can’t follow my plans enough. So I’m just going to get stuck trying to explain it all again. You just can’t remember we had three first round picks for some reason.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

2022 nineteenth for unknown 2023 first and unknown 2024 second. Didn’t do much for me. Gotta be top ten pick. We gotta a young team trying to do something now. Can’t say you look at my list of early second round 2022 draftees and can’t see how we’d benefit now from several.

Yeah we need to get everyone and sort them out later LOL.Sorry, not how it works

So you argue the wrong points. Gotta start at us having 15,16 and 19

So trade back 19 then get the guy.

So really our picks don’t change at all

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Backup S would still play though. There S package is plentiful in the league. Not to mention injury for a starter. For a few plays or extended time. RB would play and impact also. WR would be limited but still get reps.

We took Jurgens and Dean. They don’t play at all.

They weren't first round picks..like the backup S you would have used over Blankenship.    Much rather have the Saints pick... and their future 2nd as well. Just smart business without overthinking and trying to be smartest guy in the room. Take advantage of a desperate Saints organization. 

Similar to a situation I would like to avoid, by being desperate and paying Sanders. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What a cheap stupid question. But if we didn’t trade for AJ. Instead traded back. We could have Watson instead. He looks great. Rookie contract. Wouldn’t have been bad really.

Would you rather have AJ and Davis or Watson? Seems like a no brainer to me

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What a cheap stupid question. But if we didn’t trade for AJ. Instead traded back. We could have Watson instead. He looks great. Rookie contract. Wouldn’t have been bad really.

I'll take AJ with his style for Hurts... and I'll take the extra picks.  It was a stupid question...because not taking the Saints trade or the AJ trade...well would have been stupid. 

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

There you go...everyone was happy...the rest of us because AJ is a stud, and you because he had one more year experience than Quez Watkins...whatever works. 

AJ came in dominating. Quez was developmental. So that does matter. AJ just had the feel of a vet though. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

My idea was to trade back our 19 pick to 26. So all that list of early second rounders could have been chosen. That’s not including the first rounders that were there.

Right...but with your idea..you assume things...ie like a trade partner and who would be available.   You can't pass up the Saints offer weeks before the draft.  If we get that offer again in 4 months...we gotta take it again.

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It was a possibility not knowing if Hurts would sink or swim AT THAT TIME. If Hurts had failed miserably we could have taken a QB. Howie set us up to do it IF IT BECAME NECESSARY

Exactly why it was done. Now you see it wasn’t needed. Was all just extra bail out. So now I’d think once everybody has clearly seen Hurts is the guy. That move doesn’t make near as much sense.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nobody here wants that RB? That TE? That S?

It was right there for us to add. Not even like I’m talking giving up all these 2023 future picks of ours to do this stuff. 

So,no need to get lineman in here? All the old coots are good another year? What good is a RB without an Oline? Kelce gonna play until 2081? Maybe we shoulda signed JP again? We all wanted to get younger(even you),so we're doing that. it's a process,not an overnighter

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You can be blue collar ..and still be smart.     

The smartest basketball player I've seen was Larry Bird... you could argue very easily that he was the most blue collar player too.  

They are two separate things.  I also believe Kelce has both... in spades.  Very intelligent player.    I also believe the same for Dawkins.  Very intelligent player. Probably his most overlooked quality.

That’s fair. Think I was pointing out how he had tons of intangibles. Really fire that is contagious in our locker room.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Big list of guys that already looking strong. I liked that area of this draft. So not sure how waiting a year will benefit our team. Should be developing guys now. We are. But just kind of waiting to wait is dumb. Building things together now going forward.

That RB or S options would clearly help us niw and in the future

Who is looking strong...make the list...,( I know this goes against your philosophy of being specific and allowing others to poke a hole in your idea)  but let's have the list and analyze the alternative to our current roster.  As opposed to giving up the Saints 2 picks that we are getting.

I kind of picture Kelce’s SB speech effect on everybody almost being his type effect on the locker room daily. That he’s going to demand everything you got every day. That he’s made his career on working hard. Refusing to accept he can’t or won’t. So I’ll walk back any thoughts I shared about him not being smart.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

They weren't first round picks..like the backup S you would have used over Blankenship.    Much rather have the Saints pick... and their future 2nd as well. Just smart business without overthinking and trying to be smartest guy in the room. Take advantage of a desperate Saints organization. 

Similar to a situation I would like to avoid, by being desperate and paying Sanders. 

Could have taken a RB then. Already taken care of that.

You already seem convinced you want a second round RB next draft. Why not have that guy now?

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sometimes you get stuck developing guys like Wallace however. If you wrong and they bust.

Not every pick is a winner,no team can do that. You take your shots and hope your staff you hired can do their jobs. Look at GB. Even without Watson,they develop them. Doubs was looking good until he got hurt. Lazard will get better(which he needs to do). Howie blew alot of drafts as we all know. Now he has 2 good ones in a row,another 1 will set us up very nicely for continued success. We only have 4 picks(basically) so those 4 need to be good players. 1,1,2,3 that is possible to do

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Only real downside of not trading back to next year instead of just back in the draft was for a QB really. Only purpose that made any sense. Stock piling draft picks to make a huge draft move for the franchise QB

Not really... that was just your gut reaction because you didn't want options other than Hurts...where it was clear it was great value regardless of the QB situation.   

Let's be honest here... we know this isn't the end of the value we are going to get from this trade... we will trade down at least one of our 1st round picks in 2023... which if you take away the Saints trade wouldn't really allow the move without sacrifice of  one good talent. 

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Would you rather have AJ and Davis or Watson? Seems like a no brainer to me

Not doing this for the 100th time with you on this. You aren’t following my thoughts on this. Every time you say this crap. We could have all 3…easily.

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I'll take AJ with his style for Hurts... and I'll take the extra picks.  It was a stupid question...because not taking the Saints trade or the AJ trade...well would have been stupid. 

Saints trade. Not saying AJ trade shouldn’t have been done.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Or maybe just consider different ideas. Not just one.

Just seemed you were dead set loving trading away this years first fir saints first next year was about the QB position.

Because it was the option on the table.  A very outstanding option taking advantage of a desperate team.  You don't have the luxury of thinking all the other options are on the table.  You need a trade partner that you just assume will be there. 

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

AJ came in dominating. Quez was developmental. So that does matter. AJ just had the feel of a vet though. 

Ward is a veteran. Would you like him to mentor Smith? I think Smith came in better already. So get players that are GOOD and I don;t care if they are rooks 2,3,4 year guys.You can play or you can't. We spent alot of time with Mailiata,but that paid off. Took some time,but we knew it would. So you have to trust the org

Only thing I really said about AJ trade is it wouldn’t have been terrible in hindsight if we were stuck without that move. Unless we forced the pick. Several options were left on table we could have gone with and it would have been fine. Watson looks great. I also liked Pickens. He’s looking pretty good also with bad QB play.

23 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I wanted no Saints trade. Trade back 19 to like 26. Get a guy there. 
  Also wanted to trade future picks to add maybe a second round extra guy.

  Just so I’m clear on what the question is. Two parts really.

Well it's history now, so hindsight doesn't matter here. Let's look ahead,not back

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

2022 nineteenth for unknown 2023 first and unknown 2024 second. Didn’t do much for me. Gotta be top ten pick. We gotta a young team trying to do something now. Can’t say you look at my list of early second round 2022 draftees and can’t see how we’d benefit now from several.

What are you benefitting... you are 10-1.  Your team is in total retool next year.  You are weighing so much on one rookie backup impact for 2022...that you would sacrifice multiple assets that can multiply even more for this idea of a rookie backups impact?    

But don’t sit here and try and combine those two things No Mas to get away from what I’m saying. Of coarse if you add AJ trade in to Saints deal…. it makes Saints deal look better. Not related. Saints deal stands alone.

23 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Vets have their place I believe. I absolutely think Thielen was instrumental in JJ development. 

He blew him off the map his ROOKIE year.