11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right...but with your idea..you assume things...ie like a trade partner and who would be available.   You can't pass up the Saints offer weeks before the draft.  If we get that offer again in 4 months...we gotta take it again.

Who would be available I’ve repeatedly said really isn’t a factor. Listed off how the draft was loaded in that area with talent. Finding a trade partner I am assuming a bit. But feel from 19 back…somebody trades. Just really high probability the option was there. 

12 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Exactly why it was done. Now you see it wasn’t needed. Was all just extra bail out. So now I’d think once everybody has clearly seen Hurts is the guy. That move doesn’t make near as much sense.

Not NOW, like I said he was still an unknown back then. He had to earn his stripes(and I believe he has now) but that is NOW,not THEN

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Exactly why it was done. Now you see it wasn’t needed. Was all just extra bail out. So now I’d think once everybody has clearly seen Hurts is the guy. That move doesn’t make near as much sense.

AJ and picks or Olave, which is the better deal???? I though we were past this???? If you take Olave(because we needed a WR) then you DONT get Davis. We hashed this out for 57 pages already

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ward is a veteran. Would you like him to mentor Smith? I think Smith came in better already. So get players that are GOOD and I don;t care if they are rooks 2,3,4 year guys.You can play or you can't. We spent alot of time with Mailiata,but that paid off. Took some time,but we knew it would. So you have to trust the org

Heard Smith say he was bouncing things off AJ. So don’t agree. Don’t have to rely on vets. But saw last season how much we struggled with no experience. Not counting Reagor. He was developmental and failed. 

Always seen how valuable vets are to rookies. We consistently utilized a pipeline on the Dline. Felt the stud vets always helped the young guys acclimate. 

11 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I kind of picture Kelce’s SB speech effect on everybody almost being his type effect on the locker room daily. That he’s going to demand everything you got every day. That he’s made his career on working hard. Refusing to accept he can’t or won’t. So I’ll walk back any thoughts I shared about him not being smart.

Well Kelce likes Jurgens,seems to think he can replace him sometime. Could even be after this season who knows?

Is Jurgens benefitting from his exposure to Kelce? I believe so.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Trying to understand how they wouldn’t look like a great move to you. Not like it’s a one year rental. Adding this Uber talented guy to the puzzle long term. Getting him developing a year earlier and geling with his teammates.

I just don’t see the downside of my idea. Don’t see how everybody else can’t agree or at least acknowledge the thought. 

Understand my thoughts...this team is going to have to replace alot of players next year.  

I'm not sold on many rookies being game changers in year one.

I like having multiple players instead of one.  And I see how getting an additional pick can multiply into getting even more. 

I'm also of bird in hand vs in the bush...one guaranteed deal,the others are theory.  

A good business person looks at all these things.  Emotion is a weakness when doing business.  You have emotional ties to the QB and having a situation where he cannot fail.  That's why you didn't like the trade..you wanted no " options " in regard to the QB.  

The roster is plenty good enough without a rookie backup.  But future dictates we need all the draft ammunition and youth injected into the roster.   One guy from 2022, isn't worth 2 , 3 or possibly more. Because you know as well as I do, these picks from the Saints are going to multiply. 

12 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Could have taken a RB then. Already taken care of that.

You already seem convinced you want a second round RB next draft. Why not have that guy now?

Who are you benching Sanders or Scott? If you take a round 1 RB,he better start for you

12 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We could have all 3…easily.

Tell me how,pick by pick,then tell me who we're going to add with pick 31 because the Saints pick is NOT there

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Is Jurgens benefitting from his exposure to Kelce? I believe so.

He is because Kelce is a GOOD PLAYER. A rookie can also be a GOOD PLAYER(see JJ or Deebo or Mahomes). Is Davis a good player? as opposed to Suh??

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What are you benefitting... you are 10-1.  Your team is in total retool next year.  You are weighing so much on one rookie backup impact for 2022...that you would sacrifice multiple assets that can multiply even more for this idea of a rookie backups impact?    

I actually was contemplating two more additions. But yes, can absolutely see one more stud rookie adding to this team helping. Not to make us better record necessarily right now. Not all like that. But we’ve been exposed on that third S bad. Wallace given up a catch every time they targeted him. Now we down a S. Not sure how you could not see a high pick S being great right now. He’d be starting this week. While even if while he was playing the worst that could have happened was he did what Wallace did. Really no downside. We’d be developing a guy for long term. 

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Heard Smith say he was bouncing things off AJ. So don’t agree. Don’t have to rely on vets. But saw last season how much we struggled with no experience. Not counting Reagor. He was developmental and failed. 

Always seen how valuable vets are to rookies. We consistently utilized a pipeline on the Dline. Felt the stud vets always helped the young guys acclimate. 

Reagor was the "vet presence"? ,once again I need your definition of Veteran.  

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He blew him off the map his ROOKIE year.

Your missing the point. Teams played Thielen first. Then had to realize JJ was such a stud. But that not remotely what I’m talking about. I’m speaking of Thielen helping acclimate the rook. Maybe giving him some vet advice. Like these are my study notes on these pros. Beat this guy with this. Maybe showing him a pro way of tightening up a move. All that I feel JJ got from Thielen. Nothing you just tried to counter with.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Killing me not having that. I want to win this year. Also know No Mas you feel like you’re just waiting for the postseason fail to rub things in. 

Not rubbing anything in... that's your style " I called it"   I'm just going to be consistent .  Playoff teams are not going to let a running QB beat them by running.  We shall see what happens.  Maybe Hurts is a guy to break that trend... which is great for us fans.  If not, the next day my focus would be on offseason.   I don't have to say I called it...because it's not a prediction.  It's an observation based on history of the league and what I have observed about playoff sports from watching and playing.  Lose and go home is a game changer in preparation and intensity... teams will sell out 100% to make sure you don't beat them a certain way...I believe it will be making sure Hurts doesn't beat them by running, especially to his right.  I expect a heavy box with DB blitzes coming outside of Lane Johnson and pushing Hurts left.  I think teams will be ok if they lose playing that way in a playoff game.  I think it's different than a regular season game where you want to stay somewhat in the box with standard strategy. 

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Not NOW, like I said he was still an unknown back then. He had to earn his stripes(and I believe he has now) but that is NOW,not THEN

Not unknown. Can’t go there. Had to prove more. But seems like this post shows you agree if Hurts was our guy.

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who are you benching Sanders or Scott? If you take a round 1 RB,he better start for you

Now we have both of them in contract years,so yep,you can make the move if neither accepts an offer to stay. Taking a RB in round 1 last year would have ensured one of those 2 was gone THIS year

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

As that trade has aged to this point am I really still alone against that trade? Nobody else feeling like we can do it all this year some how? I didn’t like the trade without thinking we had a real shot at it all. But with a legit shot at SB….how can you agree with giving up a top draftee to this years team? Especially when it was the strength area of this draft class. Trade back 19 and get one of all those players o listed. Big list. Didn’t even include the late first rounders. That was just early half of the second round. All performing.

Yeah...I think you are alone. For sure. 

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

AJ and picks or Olave, which is the better deal???? I though we were past this???? If you take Olave(because we needed a WR) then you DONT get Davis. We hashed this out for 57 pages already

Your lost then and now. Not saying this. You don’t understand so maybe should just try not to argue senselessly against me on a point I’m not making.

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well Kelce likes Jurgens,seems to think he can replace him sometime. Could even be after this season who knows?

Almost has to be. Win it all so Kelce goes out on top.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But most top teams do trade future picks to get things done now. We could have done that. Which is just normal. So really in my mind we could have added two of those guys.

Yeah... the Saints wanted to be a top team and made a desperate trade.   We took advantage. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Your missing the point. Teams played Thielen first. Then had to realize JJ was such a stud. But that not remotely what I’m talking about. I’m speaking of Thielen helping acclimate the rook. Maybe giving him some vet advice. Like these are my study notes on these pros. Beat this guy with this. Maybe showing him a pro way of tightening up a move. All that I feel JJ got from Thielen. Nothing you just tried to counter with.

He got all that in 3 pre season games? amazing. he got so much info in those games he just blew Thielen away. Forget the fact he had the talent and exceeded him right off the bat. How did Smith get 900+ yards as a rookie with no mentor???? And a running QB??? he learned from Ward? I think not

55 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Whatever, I’m alone fairly often on my opinions here.

Probably a reason for that.   But you would probably be alone in why you think that reason is too.

Anyway my thoughts are rookie,vet,whomever,get GOOD players. Davis made an impact right away and don't tell me he learned all that from our vet DT's

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Understand my thoughts...this team is going to have to replace alot of players next year.  

I'm not sold on many rookies being game changers in year one.

I like having multiple players instead of one.  And I see how getting an additional pick can multiply into getting even more. 

I'm also of bird in hand vs in the bush...one guaranteed deal,the others are theory.  

A good business person looks at all these things.  Emotion is a weakness when doing business.  You have emotional ties to the QB and having a situation where he cannot fail.  That's why you didn't like the trade..you wanted no " options " in regard to the QB.  

The roster is plenty good enough without a rookie backup.  But future dictates we need all the draft ammunition and youth injected into the roster.   One guy from 2022, isn't worth 2 , 3 or possibly more. Because you know as well as I do, these picks from the Saints are going to multiply. 

Why isn’t a rookie this year still here next year and beyond?

12 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Understand my thoughts...this team is going to have to replace alot of players next year.  

I'm not sold on many rookies being game changers in year one.

I like having multiple players instead of one.  And I see how getting an additional pick can multiply into getting even more. 

I'm also of bird in hand vs in the bush...one guaranteed deal,the others are theory.  

A good business person looks at all these things.  Emotion is a weakness when doing business.  You have emotional ties to the QB and having a situation where he cannot fail.  That's why you didn't like the trade..you wanted no " options " in regard to the QB.  

The roster is plenty good enough without a rookie backup.  But future dictates we need all the draft ammunition and youth injected into the roster.   One guy from 2022, isn't worth 2 , 3 or possibly more. Because you know as well as I do, these picks from the Saints are going to multiply. 

So do you think we are contenders this season?

Off to mess with my fantasy teams

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who are you benching Sanders or Scott? If you take a round 1 RB,he better start for you

I have no problem him backing up Sanders.