Sometimes you don't need to read between the lines or have a soap opera reason to see good business. 

We basically got a 3rd and a 2nd for pushing back a 1st for one year. 

If we can do that every year ...it means we enter every draft with a 1st, two 2nds and two 3rds.    Who wouldn't want that EVERY year, regardless of anything else?

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We got extra picks. Olave was not the only WR,he was just one of the top ones. We could have even skated with Reagor again this year or taken a WR in 2 instead of Jurgens

We didn't get extra 2022 picks... the extra picks were for 2023 and 2024.    We swapped 3 picks each in 2022...we lowered our 2022 position to improve future drafts.

We could have drafted WR instead of Jurgens without the Saints trade... that's my point.   The Saints trade did absolutely nothing to specifically improve our chances to get a top WR in 2022.   

15, 16 and 19 

Vs 15, 18 and 101...  no way the trade increased our chances of getting a top WR. 

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I believe also we all knew Howie was shopping the market for one. AJ was actually the 3rd try.So it's no shock to me we made the trade because Howie was going to fix his Reagor mistake one way or another

But the Saints trade did not put us in better position to get a vet WR.  Gave one less 1st rounder to trade. 

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I believe also we all knew Howie was shopping the market for one. AJ was actually the 3rd try.So it's no shock to me we made the trade because Howie was going to fix his Reagor mistake one way or another

If we trade our 2nd round pick next year...leaving us without one.   Would that make you feel better about the RB position?   This is the same logic you are trying to say with the Saints trade and WR.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But the Saints trade did not put us in better position to get a vet WR.  Gave one less 1st rounder to trade. 

That was Hams point, take your 3 round 1's last year,which would only leave us pick 30-32 this next draft

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

If we trade our 2nd round pick next year...leaving us without one.   Would that make you feel better about the RB position?   This is the same logic you are trying to say with the Saints trade and WR.

Depends who we trade that pick for?? I'd trade a 2 pick for Derrick Henry or Jonathan Taylor

35 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Depends who we trade that pick for?? I'd trade a 2 pick for Derrick Henry or Jonathan Taylor

If we trade the 2nd round pick...for a 2nd in 2024,  and a couple of 4th or next year... similar to Saints trade of ONLY PICKS!    But sacrificing the current year for better future picks.

Would that make you feel better about getting a good RB immediately?

41 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Depends who we trade that pick for?? I'd trade a 2 pick for Derrick Henry or Jonathan Taylor

I'll give you a similar trade like the Saints but using next year's 2nd.

We trade 2023 2nd round  for

2023 4th round,  2024 2nd and 2025 3rd.  

Does that put us in better position to get a quality RB in the 2023 draft?  By moving back from 2nd to 4th round?

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

If we trade the 2nd round pick...for a 2nd in 2024,  and a couple of 4th or next year... similar to Saints trade of ONLY PICKS!    But sacrificing the current year for better future picks.

Would that make you feel better about getting a good RB immediately?

Doesn't matter what I feel,it's how Howie feels

I have no clue if Howie re-signs Sanders or Scott.If he signs neither then RB becomes a need. IDK if Sermon/ Gainwell is enough

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I have no clue if Howie re-signs Sanders or Scott.If he signs neither then RB becomes a need. IDK if Sermon/ Gainwell is enough

Ok...so in the first week of April 2022...we didn't have a WR.  We had 3 picks, went down to 2 after Saints trade. Less picks to draft a WR round 1.  Less picks to trade for one.  

I can't fathom how your thoughts on the Saints trade were, now we have better shot at WR?   Doesn't make any sense. 

I can't even explain the 2023 RB situation to you because you won't see how I'm trying to paint a similar picture... of we don't sign anyone up to the few weeks before the draft and trade away that 2nd rounder.   How would thar put us in an immediate better position to get a quality RB...without the pick to use to either draft or trade?    

Your explanation just doesn't translate to me by giving up assets how it actually increases the chances of getting a player? 

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I can't fathom how your thoughts on the Saints trade were, now we have better shot at WR?   Doesn't make any sense.

We could have taken a WR instead of Davis despite the Saints trade. Howie was shopping for a WR anyhow. I never said it gave us a better chance YOU did. We could have taken any number of WR's in round 1 or 2

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Your explanation just doesn't translate to me by giving up assets how it actually increases the chances of getting a player?

We got more picks which means MORE assets not less. So who wouldn't take a 3 for 1? If we didn't get AJ we probably would have rolled with Reagor another year,or taken a WR instead of Jurgen

https://nfltraderumors.co/2023-nfl-draft-order-tracker/  back up to pick 6

46 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Doesn't matter what I feel,it's how Howie feels

IDK why you find this funny. Do you KNOW if we are re-signing Sanders and Scott?? Do you KNOW Sermon and Gainwell can handle the RB duties if we don't? So absolutely it depends on what Howie thinks

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Getting a top WR to pair with Smith and giving Hurts every option to succeed. I always wanted Reagor OUT. I didn't want him in the first place(jj was my pick that draft). So I saw this as Howie righting that ship and freeing up the draft to get other positions of need. I believe the Saints thought we would take Olave and why they made that deal(because the AJ trade wasn't announced yet)

This was your answer to why did you like the Saints trade...what part got you excited.    This was your answer,  not me saying it.

22 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK why you find this funny. Do you KNOW if we are re-signing Sanders and Scott?? Do you KNOW Sermon and Gainwell can handle the RB duties if we don't? So absolutely it depends on what Howie thinks

It's funny because I'm trying to figure out why 3 weeks before the draft trading back got you excited about the WR spot..   I'm using similar example of if 3 weeks before the draft ( knowing at that point our FA moves) how that would translate in your thoughts at immediate help at RB. 

Yes the Saints trade got us more picks...in future years, but it sacrificed draft position in 2022.   Wasn't more picks more players for 2022.  Didn't mean no more Reagor...not until the AJ trade .

40 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://nfltraderumors.co/2023-nfl-draft-order-tracker/  back up to pick 6

Yes..and looking at the schedule... 6 wins or less should translate into a similar final spot... a lot of these teams still play each other, someone has to win.. ties might even be better...lol.

43 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://nfltraderumors.co/2023-nfl-draft-order-tracker/  back up to pick 6

ATL needs to win this week to stay in the AFC South race, and look to play intensity vs the Saints next week.  Cleveland same.   Both teams play Pittsburgh. Detroit has a few matchups within that group too.   Raiders and Denver too.   Minnesota or Dallas keep winning and we have to win that week 17 matchup.   Carolina will lay down at the end though.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

It's funny because I'm trying to figure out why 3 weeks before the draft trading back got you excited about the WR spot..   I'm using similar example of if 3 weeks before the draft ( knowing at that point our FA moves) how that would translate in your thoughts at immediate help at RB. 

Yes the Saints trade got us more picks...in future years, but it sacrificed draft position in 2022.   Wasn't more picks more players for 2022.  Didn't mean no more Reagor...not until the AJ trade .

No idea. As i said we could have taken Olave or another WR instead of Davis if the AJ trade was not made,so it's all "what ifs" I'm really not rehashing what we coulda shoulda woulda. What's done is done and it's not changing. As far as RB are you re-signing Sanders and Scott? If you sign neither, Sermon and Gainwell are your 1/2,so until we know the future of Sanders and Scott, there is no way to answer you. There are also other players to re-sign or NOT sign and with only 4 picks(not counting 2-7's) there is no way to know this far out. So what do you do if Hurts wants 70 mil a year???(I understand this is exaggeration lol) Too many unknowns right now to answer your question

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

It's funny because I'm trying to figure out why 3 weeks before the draft trading back got you excited about the WR spot.

Who said I was exited about the WR spot? I had Davis or Olave as our 1. It was obvious Reagor wasn't the guy we thought and he would be replaced. I had WR options picked out in about every round,so nothing "exciting" about it, but I knew we were going to get a WR somewhere. The AJ trade just meant all those picks were off the table for me. Although it wasn't in stone until the pick was made,it was obvious the Saints wanted Olave,so for me that meant Davis. We also could have taken a WR in round 2 instead of Jurgens and we probably would have if the AJ deal was not done 

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We could have probably taken a WR in 2 regardless of the AJ trade. We could have by passed Jurgens for a WR

If Jurgens turns out to be a young Kelce it was a great pick

19 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No idea. As i said we could have taken Olave or another WR instead of Davis if the AJ trade was not made,so it's all "what ifs" I'm really not rehashing what we coulda shoulda woulda. What's done is done and it's not changing. As far as RB are you re-signing Sanders and Scott? If you sign neither, Sermon and Gainwell are your 1/2,so until we know the future of Sanders and Scott, there is no way to answer you. There are also other players to re-sign or NOT sign and with only 4 picks(not counting 2-7's) there is no way to know this far out. So what do you do if Hurts wants 70 mil a year???(I understand this is exaggeration lol) Too many unknowns right now to answer your question

RB I'm starting over....I can wait to see prices drop after the draft.   I don't mind our current guys, but I'm not paying for them.    

But my point.... I just think we are having the same l conversation.  I think you are mixing Saints trade and AJ trade all in one.  I was just talking Saints trade.   

16 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who said I was exited about the WR spot? I had Davis or Olave as our 1. It was obvious Reagor wasn't the guy we thought and he would be replaced. I had WR options picked out in about every round,so nothing "exciting" about it, but I knew we were going to get a WR somewhere. The AJ trade just meant all those picks were off the table for me. Although it wasn't in stone until the pick was made,it was obvious the Saints wanted Olave,so for me that meant Davis. We also could have taken a WR in round 2 instead of Jurgens and we probably would have if the AJ deal was not done 

Page 2775...the posts right after the picture of Wilson.    I asked why you liked the Saints trade ...and you said it gave us a WR to pair with Smith 

Saints trade....not AJ trade.    That's what I was talking about...don't know why you gave that response...do you think you were confused?  If not. I don't get it.   

4 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

If Jurgens turns out to be a young Kelce it was a great pick

Kelce really likes the kid