Watson and McCaffrey together-brutal

In my view you have the top 5 QB's going in 1, with Jones being the last. Trask should be the first QB taken after those 5 are gone and in round 2. Thus, that's right where I have him at 38 and if he is there,I will take him. Hurts would start, Trask can learn,but if Hurts chokes,we still have a rook QB with upside. I see nothing wrong with CYA with another round 2 QB who has a coach that knows his game

Ben Fennell on Twitter: "Azeez Ojulari is looser Kwity Paye is more explosive Gregory Rousseau is longer Carlos Basham is stronger Shaka Toney has better 1st step Jayson Oweh has more traits But Phillips is the best package of it all" / Twitter

I feel like corner, safety and DE are the three positions that we have to have from this draft within the first three rounds.

There is so much talent in the second and third rounds, and having three picks there will really help us.

 

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I don’t think philly plans to be a top 10 picking team. It’s a strong QB class and really no OL or DL worth taking at 6. 
 

Think we have already seen the length this team goes making sure we have a QB. Signing Sam Bradford, Chase Daniels then trading up for Wentz, Securing Foles, Drafting Hurts. 
 

Drafting a QB at 6... is a way to help get back to drafting in the top 10 next year.

I think the big reason to do it... $$$$. They get 2 QBs on the cheap and feel like geniuses.  Which I still think was the key reason for drafting Hurts, he was a cheap backup/ gadget player.   All their moves revolve around $$$

This is an interesting tweet.

Ben Fennell on Twitter: "I love the Colts defense. But over the last 2 seasons - they have allowed the highest percentage of completions! This is the vulnerability of the scheme. But they tackle sooo well! They rally to the ball sooo well! They limit YAC and force fumbles... That's the formula." / Twitter

It will be interesting to see what they do with Mills (if he is brought back), Maddox and Wallace.

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I think if there are four qbs taken before the sixth pick, then we draft Chase and call it a day. If a qb falls (most likely Lance) and Chase isn't there, I would trade back for the extra picks.

If 4 QBs are taken... why would Denver look to trade up?  I assume for QB #5?  I think for me, if 4 QBs go first, I would want to trade down even more ... 3 spots and most likely one of them being a QB.   Idk...  do the math, which players would be left?  Don't you think Howie will say we got the player we wanted all along at 9 ,plus extra draft capital?  

I'm assuming the OL is the other pick along with the 4 QBs.   The group of WRs, Pitts, a couple of CBs, LB from Penn State.  I think very easily a run on QB early means we trade back if we can...  just not sure anyone would trade up if the ones behind us already did to get the 4 QBs.  I  don't see teams trading up to get other positions. 

2 hours ago, stine said:

  I hope you are wrong. We draft a QB is like saying we are starting over again. Saying we screwed up drafting Hurts last year. Why bother bringing in his uncle as QB coach? Doesn't make sense to me.....

But don't you think ... we screwed up and are starting over anyway? 

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Brought in Johnson because he is a good coach and been rising fast not for his relationship with hurts... And if we did bring a guy solely in for 1 player we are doomed to fail 

Right, that's why the idea of hiring the head coach for Wentz was pretty stupid.  It's obvious Lurie and Howie like to discover people.  Before those people move on to win elsewhere. 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I think that would be a HUGE mistake

Can't really make a huge mistake when your team is already in the toilet.  Not with one draft pick. 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Anyone that wants a QB will move up. Noone will wait for pick 12. I see the top 4 going by pick 7, maybe 8(whether that includes us or not remains to be seen). I will stick with my Pitts/Trask as the first 2(if Howie is smart)

I think the opposite team won’t be willing to move up as much this year and will let gust fall to them. 
 

I don’t see NY or ATL wanting QB at #2 and #4 and will go else where. So stand by my claim the run will start around 6-12ish 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I think that would be a HUGE mistake

And think it’s a huge mistake not to take a QB in the top 10 but we always opposite so nothing new 

31 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Drafting a QB at 6... is a way to help get back to drafting in the top 10 next year.

I think the big reason to do it... $$$$. They get 2 QBs on the cheap and feel like geniuses.  Which I still think was the key reason for drafting Hurts, he was a cheap backup/ gadget player.   All their moves revolve around $$$

Joe me and you clearly have different opinion on the roster standing so obviously we won’t agree on the approach in the next couple years 

36 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I think the opposite team won’t be willing to move up as much this year and will let gust fall to them. 
 

I don’t see NY or ATL wanting QB at #2 and #4 and will go else where. So stand by my claim the run will start around 6-12ish 

And think it’s a huge mistake not to take a QB in the top 10 but we always opposite so nothing new 

  One thing to consider which we haven't before is Lurie. What does he want? He seems to be pulling HR's chain more than we all thought...

2 minutes ago, stine said:

One thing to consider which we haven't before is Lurie. What does he want? He seems to be pulling HR's chain more than we all thought...

Lurie extremely values the QB and reports stated he wanted to keep Wentz clearly was a falling out that couldn’t be repaired.

So thinking he would pass up the opportunity to get a QB sitting at 6 is hard for me to see 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Can't really make a huge mistake when your team is already in the toilet.  Not with one draft pick. 

Sure you can, by not doing anything to make it better(see MS2)

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I think the opposite team won’t be willing to move up as much this year and will let gust fall to them. 
 

I don’t see NY or ATL wanting QB at #2 and #4 and will go else where. So stand by my claim the run will start around 6-12ish 

And think it’s a huge mistake not to take a QB in the top 10 but we always opposite so nothing new 

WOW so you think the Jets are high on Darnold? And Atl doesn't want to get a young QB groomed to replace Ryan? yeah we definitely see it different

55 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Joe me and you clearly have different opinion on the roster standing so obviously we won’t agree on the approach in the next couple years 

I'm with you... take the QB at 6... ensuring a worse record in 2021.  The 2021 season is the one I think is their best chance of mediocrity while the pro bowlers are still on the team.  I don't think we disagree about the Eagles roster as much... more so comparing it to around the league, especially the division. I see the division with some foundational pieces to build around and so they can make clearer choices to what they need.   All with good draft position and better cap space to build on from this point.  I see our foundation as the old players.... with a bunch of young guys who to me are still question marks.    I will say, when talking with a lot of fans in your age group, who have never seen the Eagles go through an extended down cycle... I can understand the optimism.  I mean, it has never existed in your lifetime.  3 years in a row without winning 10 games... first time that has happened.  Like the sun rising in the morning, the Eagles rebound back in a hurry each time.  Why would you have a reason to think it wouldn't happen now?   Why would you have a reason to think these other 3 teams don't follow their path of poor play?    It's all good.    But my point, taking the QB means not taking a guy that will play this year... whoever is the QB won't have that weapon, and it also means neither line gets help with a top prospect, and none added to the LB or DB spots.   I think Kelce's retirement is going to have a bigger impact than just his play.  We'll see what happens.   I agree with you on Hurts, we need a better QB, am not opposed to getting one at 6, just not seeing either move as impactful or huge.     

31 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lurie extremely values the QB and reports stated he wanted to keep Wentz clearly was a falling out that couldn’t be repaired.

So thinking he would pass up the opportunity to get a QB sitting at 6 is hard for me to see 

Yep,let's make the same mistake again and take a QB at 6,then let him die because we have no supporting players(rinse,repeat)

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sure you can, by not doing anything to make it better(see MS2)

So Kyle Pitts turns the franchise around?  

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I'm with you... take the QB at 6... ensuring a worse record in 2021.  The 2021 season is the one I think is their best chance of mediocrity while the pro bowlers are still on the team.  I don't think we disagree about the Eagles roster as much... more so comparing it to around the league, especially the division. I see the division with some foundational pieces to build around and so they can make clearer choices to what they need.   All with good draft position and better cap space to build on from this point.  I see our foundation as the old players.... with a bunch of young guys who to me are still question marks.    I will say, when talking with a lot of fans in your age group, who have never seen the Eagles go through an extended down cycle... I can understand the optimism.  I mean, it has never existed in your lifetime.  3 years in a row without winning 10 games... first time that has happened.  Like the sun rising in the morning, the Eagles rebound back in a hurry each time.  Why would you have a reason to think it wouldn't happen now?   Why would you have a reason to think these other 3 teams don't follow their path of poor play?    It's all good.    But my point, taking the QB means not taking a guy that will play this year... whoever is the QB won't have that weapon, and it also means neither line gets help with a top prospect, and none added to the LB or DB spots.   I think Kelce's retirement is going to have a bigger impact than just his play.  We'll see what happens.   I agree with you on Hurts, we need a better QB, am not opposed to getting one at 6, just not seeing either move as impactful or huge.     

Same reasons I have Joe except I am taking one at 38 and getting a STUD TE in the process who will be here for 5 years

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

So Kyle Pitts turns the franchise around?  

Nope no one player will. Doesn't matter the position either. But why not get a STUD you can have for 5 years while you figure out who your QB is?

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So Kyle Pitts turns the franchise around?  

No. But it's a step in the right direction. 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So Kyle Pitts turns the franchise around?  

With this suck team would Lawrence?

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

WOW so you think the Jets are high on Darnold? And Atl doesn't want to get a young QB groomed to replace Ryan? yeah we definitely see it different

I think the Jets will stick with Darnold yes I haven’t changed that opinion and they have been said to be doing so... As for ATL I think they will add a QB just not at #4 think ideally they want to trade down if not they will grab a player to help them win now and draft a QB round 2 or 3 to sit behind Matty Ice 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I think the Jets will stick with Darnold yes I haven’t changed that opinion and they have been said to be doing so... As for ATL I think they will add a QB just not at #4 think ideally they want to trade down if not they will grab a player to help them win now and draft a QB round 2 or 3 to sit behind Matty Ice 

Well,they are shopping him,so talk to them. Could see you being right about ATL, but the Jets are clearly not happy with Darnold and I suppose it would depend what ATL was offered

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

WOW so you think the Jets are high on Darnold? And Atl doesn't want to get a young QB groomed to replace Ryan? yeah we definitely see it different

I think BG could easily be right here with these teams.... but also those teams could then easily trade back.  While the idea of " waiting for the position to drop to you"   With QB, teams usually have their " guy"  in mind.  It's why you see trade ups a lot for QBs.  I think more than 50% chance Jets trade out of 2 ... that other team takes a QB.  Miami and ATL could easily follow suit.  Even Cincy at 5.   

If a team clearly values one QB.. they will trade up.   The mock drafts and outside noise is irrelevant, as we have seen plenty of times before.  Once one trade happens, another team may feel the same need.   It's not just top 10 teams, but teams behind them.  If a teams feels another will leap frog, I can easily see a run on QB with any or all of NYJ, Miami, ATL or Cincy trading down with the idea of adding to their QBs, not only with the 1st rounder, but with the extra picks they get.