Paging Deshaun Watson

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Maybe he’s just a little intoxicated. 

So his first read was tequila. 

26 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

With how poor the offense looks all around this training camp it has me a bit worried about how good of a system and offensive HC Nick Sirianni is.  Don't think it is helping either how he runs these ultra short practices.  

Not having a viable QB is the biggest issue.

 

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

Because context matters.

Scott had 374 rushing and 212 receiving on the year. He had 1 rushing and 1 receiving TD.

The problem aren't the numbers themselves, but the big picture. Scott had a three game stretch against a pitiful Giants team and an even worse Dallas defence. Over those three games, in total, he had:

30 carries for 179 and 1 TD (5.96 ypc)
6 receptions for 66 yards and 1 TD (11 y/r)

He had almost half of his rushing yards in those three games, a large chunk of his receiving yards and scored his only two touchdowns of the season.

He had a stretch of games where he had:

8 carries for 13 yards over 4 games.

10 carries for 22 yards over 4 games.

Half the season. 18 carries for 35 yards.

That's why he gets hate. He can have a great game or he's utter garbage. There's no in between and there's far more garbage than there is good. He's Wendell Smallwood.

 

 

Then let’s look at the context.  Saquon Barkley would have had issues running behind Pryor (much less, let me adjust my glove guy).  Dude is a big man but got absolutely no push at G.  I am thrilled that Herbig saw the light and hope he is stronger, faster and quicker.  Good technique but not able to arrive at the second level.  Sanders wasn’t doing much better inside.  Football isn’t a one on one game at RB, it is a choreographed dance and when your Gs are too big but in poor shape and too slow to dance, then the holes just aren’t there.   Eight carries over four games is not a granular sample size. We are talking barely getting touches.  (I will say that the scariest thing for me about TC so far is Pryor at RG.  Please let Brooks be healthy and Dickerson get healed.) Bad OL play last year hurt both Sanders and Scott.

Sanders had some mediocre games last year because of OL play, too.  (Now to the defense of Stoutland, the choreography was difficult when the dancers were different every game.)  For example, against that strong Saints D, take out Sanders 82 yard run and he was 13 for 33. Against a strong Steeler defense, take out that 74 yard run and he was 10 for 6.  Not Boobie’s fault.  The OL wasn’t getting holes for the RBs last year, pure and simple.  Slow starts by the offense overall had a detrimental impact on the running game.

2020 REGULAR SEASON			RUSHING					RECEIVING						FUMBLES
DATE	OPP	RESULT	ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	REC	TGTS	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	FUM	LST	FF	KB
Sun 12/27	@DAL	L 37-17	15	57	3.8	1	7	4	6	27	6.8	0	9	1	0	0	0
Sun 12/20	@ARI	L 33-26	17	64	3.8	0	10	1	2	26	26.0	0	26	0	0	0	0
Sun 12/13	vsNO	W 24-21	14	115	8.2	2	82	4	5	21	5.3	0	9	0	0	0	0
Sun 12/6	@GB	L 30-16	10	31	3.1	0	8	0	1	0	0.0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Mon 11/30	vsSEA	L 23-17	6	15	2.5	0	8	2	3	7	3.5	0	5	0	0	0	0
Sun 11/22	@CLE	L 22-17	16	66	4.1	0	11	3	5	15	5.0	0	9	1	1	0	0
Sun 11/15	@NYG	L 27-17	15	85	5.7	0	14	2	5	10	5.0	0	9	0	0	0	0
Sun 10/18	vsBAL	L 30-28	9	118	13.1	0	74	1	2	-6	-6.0	0	0	1	0	0	0
Sun 10/11	@PIT	L 38-29	11	80	7.3	2	74	2	4	19	9.5	0	11	0	0	0	0
Sun 10/4	@SF	W 25-20	13	46	3.5	0	9	2	4	30	15.0	0	28	0	0	0	0
Sun 9/27	vsCIN	T 23-23 OT	18	95	5.3	0	19	4	8	12	3.0	0	7	0	0	0	0
Sun 9/20	vsLAR	L 37-19	20	95	4.8	1	15	3	7	36	12.0	0	22	1	1	0	0
REGULAR SEASON STATS			164	867	5.3	6	82	28	52	197	7.0	0	28

"Highlight of the day”

well it will be on display sunday at the linc , hope it's a sign of just a bad day of practice

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Live footage from practice today

I don’t know how much it means but today was also the first practice after installing the entire offense the last week and a half.  

1 hour ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

On a good team, Scott is a viable third or fourth back. He has value. He does some things well. If he were released, he would certainly be picked up by another team, and they'd probably be pleased with what he provides for them.

But he's not really what you're looking for in a "number two" back. If you're Darren Sproles (which he clearly is NOT, metaphorically speaking), you can have a guy that tiny in that role. But right now, the Eagles should be looking for someone better, and bigger, than Scott to be the primary backup and semi-important contributor.

No, he is not a next man up #2 back stepping in for Sanders. (He’s short but not tiny.  Killins is tiny.)   Ideally you have (a healthy) Buck, Staley and Westbrook type rotation.  A rotation like Indy had. I think Scott fits well in that rotation with good OL play.  I think he and potentially Gainwell fit the Hines role. Sanders is a key component. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see a fourth as well. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t know how much it means but today was also the first practice after installing the entire offense the last week and a half.  

Should’ve installed the annexation of Puerto Rico. 

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Then let’s look at the context.  Saquon Barkley would have had issues running behind Pryor (much less, let me adjust my glove guy).  Dude is a big man but got absolutely no push at G.  I am thrilled that Herbig saw the light and hope he is stronger, faster and quicker.  Good technique but not able to arrive at the second level.  Sanders wasn’t doing much better inside.  Football isn’t a one on one game at RB, it is a choreographed dance and when your Gs are too big but in poor shape and too slow to dance, then the holes just aren’t there.   Eight carries over four games is not a granular sample size. We are talking barely getting touches.  (I will say that the scariest thing for me about TC so far is Pryor at RG.  Please let Brooks be healthy and Dickerson get healed.) Bad OL play last year hurt both Sanders and Scott.

Sanders had some mediocre games last year because of OL play, too.  (Now to the defense of Stoutland, the choreography was difficult when the dancers were different every game.)  For example, against that strong Saints D, take out Sanders 82 yard run and he was 13 for 33. Against a strong Steeler defense, take out that 74 yard run and he was 10 for 6.  Not Boobie’s fault.  The OL wasn’t getting holes for the RBs last year, pure and simple.  Slow starts by the offense overall had a detrimental impact on the running game.

2020 REGULAR SEASON			RUSHING					RECEIVING						FUMBLES
DATE	OPP	RESULT	ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	REC	TGTS	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	FUM	LST	FF	KB
Sun 12/27	@DAL	L 37-17	15	57	3.8	1	7	4	6	27	6.8	0	9	1	0	0	0
Sun 12/20	@ARI	L 33-26	17	64	3.8	0	10	1	2	26	26.0	0	26	0	0	0	0
Sun 12/13	vsNO	W 24-21	14	115	8.2	2	82	4	5	21	5.3	0	9	0	0	0	0
Sun 12/6	@GB	L 30-16	10	31	3.1	0	8	0	1	0	0.0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Mon 11/30	vsSEA	L 23-17	6	15	2.5	0	8	2	3	7	3.5	0	5	0	0	0	0
Sun 11/22	@CLE	L 22-17	16	66	4.1	0	11	3	5	15	5.0	0	9	1	1	0	0
Sun 11/15	@NYG	L 27-17	15	85	5.7	0	14	2	5	10	5.0	0	9	0	0	0	0
Sun 10/18	vsBAL	L 30-28	9	118	13.1	0	74	1	2	-6	-6.0	0	0	1	0	0	0
Sun 10/11	@PIT	L 38-29	11	80	7.3	2	74	2	4	19	9.5	0	11	0	0	0	0
Sun 10/4	@SF	W 25-20	13	46	3.5	0	9	2	4	30	15.0	0	28	0	0	0	0
Sun 9/27	vsCIN	T 23-23 OT	18	95	5.3	0	19	4	8	12	3.0	0	7	0	0	0	0
Sun 9/20	vsLAR	L 37-19	20	95	4.8	1	15	3	7	36	12.0	0	22	1	1	0	0
REGULAR SEASON STATS			164	867	5.3	6	82	28	52	197	7.0	0	28

Here's some more context:

In 2019 when the line and QB play were much better than last year, Scott had 449 yards and 5 TDs. He appeared in 9 games that season. In the two games against the Giants, he had 246 total yards and 4 of his 5 TDs. Aside from that, he averaged 29 yards a game (rushing and receiving) over the other seven games. He scored 1 TD. 

Scott is what he is, regardless of the line, offense, etc. He's an okay 3rd or 4th back at best, he's pretty useless most of the season and he's good to kill the Giants and maybe have another good game or two over the season.

He's nothing special. Never will be.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Here's some more context:

In 2019 when the line and QB play were much better than last year, Scott had 449 yards and 5 TDs. He appeared in 9 games that season. In the two games against the Giants, he had 246 total yards and 4 of his 5 TDs. Aside from that, he averaged 29 yards a game (rushing and receiving) over the other seven games. He scored 1 TD. 

Scott is what he is, regardless of the line, offense, etc. He's an okay 3rd or 4th back at best, he's pretty useless most of the season and he's good to kill the Giants and maybe have another good game or two over the season.

He's nothing special. Never will be.

Not sure Sirianni sees it that way given all the first team snaps Scott,is,seeing at this point in camp.

Just now, BigEFly said:

Not sure Sirianni sees it that way given all the first team snaps Scott,is,seeing at this point in camp.

Not sure that's really saying a lot, given how rough the rest of the group outside of Sanders is.

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

That seems overdramatic to call it the worst offensive practice ever. I think I saw that Hurts was picked off 1-2 times and sacked 1-2 times. If that's the worst ever then 🤷‍♂️

13 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

well it will be on display sunday at the linc , hope it's a sign of just a bad day of practice

I just want to see something different than Doug. I know it'll be vanilla but just a different vanilla please

I think too much is read into what happens at practice.  Most coaches split 11 on 11 to plays that favor one side of the ball. Sometimes they are working on very specific things.  Much will be made of PS games too, when the focus is on vanilla play calling and a lot of individual play and line gelling.   

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Not sure that's really saying a lot, given how rough the rest of the group outside of Sanders is.

Agree.  But the number of targets and catches does suggest the RBs will see a lot of catches and that is possibly a strength for Scott, Gainwell and Huntley.  I do want to see how those three do in PS games in pass pro. 

The offense is bad, not sure what people expected. This team finished last in the worst division in the history of football and made few upgrades to the offense. 
 

This was always going to be a transition year.

11 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So you’re saying they are close to the other true contenders but getting a top 10 QB isn’t enough to put them on the level below the chiefs with the bills, Ravens, colts, Titans and browns? They won 10 games with Fitzpatrick and a crappy rookie tua along with a below average oline starting 3 rookies. If they have watson they are significantly upgrading at QB. If they have Watson, I’d take the chiefs and possibly the bills depending on if Allen can replicate his 2020 year over them. other than that i think with watson a top 6 QB they are better or equal to the browns, ravens, titans and colts in the afc (colts could be better depending on what the hell wentz is). browns, Titans and colts don’t have as good of a defense only Baltimore, none have as good of special teams and none would have a better QBs if watson was on Miami. 

watson isn’t some small upgrade at QB.  It’s going from like 22nd to 27th best quarterback (even worse with tua) in the league to a top seven quarterback. That is a massive upgrade

as for the oline I’m guessing the 3 rookies in 2020 they picked somewhat high last year (Austin jackson in the first, Robert hunt in the second and Solomon Kindley in the 4th) probably improve since they’re not going through a pandemic offseason and had an off-season with the team. And not rookies. And they added in the draft again and FA

The problem is that Austin Jackson was a huge reach.  I'm sure he'll be better this year, but he's still a bit of a project and definitely not a lock to stick as a starter in this league based on his college tape.  Igbinoghne who they also picked in the first round last year was a huge reach as well and seems to have already been demoted.  This year they went ahead and took another guy I considered a reach in Phillips.  They've shown a pattern of drafting combine guys at the expense of productive football players, and I expect it to bite them in the ass.   Even Waddle at #6, where the Eagles were originally picking, is far from a sure thing with his size and injury history.  Add that to the poor track record of Belichick disciples and there is still plenty of reason to be concerned about whether this organization - which hasn't exactly earned the benefit of the doubt over the last quarter century - is in good hands.

You keep citing the ten wins they had last year, but as I've said, that's probably a bit misleading.  Fitz is hardly a great QB, but he was perfect for that team because of his toughness and his willingness to take chances.  I'm not sure Watson is going to come over in his first year in the offense and give you a massive upgrade like you think, especially if he's running for his life again like he was in Houston pre-Tunsil. 

Watson is good, but right now he's much closer to that Stafford/Dak/Lamar level than he is Mahomes, Rodgers, or Wilson.  You're talking about them being better than a Ravens team that's gone 25-7 with a +394 point differential over the last two seasons or a Browns team that's coming off 12 wins and loaded on paper.  Without Watson I see them as a .500 team at best and with him I could see maybe ten wins.  Either way they're not ready to contend unless you want to use a really liberal definition of the term.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The offense is bad, not sure what people expected. This team finished last in the worst division in the history of football and made few upgrades to the offense. 
 

This was always going to be a transition year.

But we have Hurts now

I'm not surprised at any of the "ugly practice" comments.  New staff, new system, young skill guys, a RB at QB....it's a last place team.  We just have to ride this one out.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

But we have Hurts now

But he can dead lift 600# and has such swag....how could we go wrong with that skill set?

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

With how poor the offense looks all around this training camp it has me a bit worried about how good of a system and offensive HC Nick Sirianni is.  Don't think it is helping either how he runs these ultra short practices.  

Can't tell if this is a serious post.  You're questioning the system of a rookie coach based on an August 7th practice?

38 minutes ago, jmac+djaxallday said:

The problem is that Austin Jackson was a huge reach.  I'm sure he'll be better this year, but he's still a bit of a project and definitely not a lock to stick as a starter in this league based on his college tape.  Igbinoghne who they also picked in the first round last year was a huge reach as well and seems to have already been demoted.  This year they went ahead and took another guy I considered a reach in Phillips.  They've shown a pattern of drafting combine guys at the expense of productive football players, and I expect it to bite them in the ass.   Even Waddle at #6, where the Eagles were originally picking, is far from a sure thing with his size and injury history.  Add that to the poor track record of Belichick disciples and there is still plenty of reason to be concerned about whether this organization - which hasn't exactly earned the benefit of the doubt over the last quarter century - is in good hands.

You keep citing the ten wins they had last year, but as I've said, that's probably a bit misleading.  Fitz is hardly a great QB, but he was perfect for that team because of his toughness and his willingness to take chances.  I'm not sure Watson is going to come over in his first year in the offense and give you a massive upgrade like you think, especially if he's running for his life again like he was in Houston pre-Tunsil. 

Watson is good, but right now he's much closer to that Stafford/Dak/Lamar level than he is Mahomes, Rodgers, or Wilson.  You're talking about them being better than a Ravens team that's gone 25-7 with a +394 point differential over the last two seasons or a Browns team that's coming off 12 wins and loaded on paper.  Without Watson I see them as a .500 team at best and with him I could see maybe ten wins.  Either way they're not ready to contend unless you want to use a really liberal definition of the term.

I’m talking about a ravens team that has one playoff win over that time where Deshaun Watson who I would argue have a worst team and organization than the ravens has won as many playoff games with a worst team and franchise  

Browns had 11 regular season wins. also the browns had two impressive wins. They beat the colts and Titans. Otherwise the rest of their wins were twice vs. bengals, jags, Jets, eagles, cowboys, giants, Washington, Texans and Steelers who basically benched everyone week 17. So they got a free win from the Steelers week 17 (by two points). They beat the Steelers in the playoffs who were in free fall and lost to the bengals. Not only that you’re willing to give the Browns the benefit of the doubt after 20 years of losing and with a QB that isn’t even on the level of Lamar/Stafford/Dak 

even if he’s not Rogers or Wilson or Mahomes that is significantly better than what Ryan Fitzpatrick is. Ryan Fitzpatrick career is fringe starting quarterback. They are getting a top 10 quarterback you seem to think that’s not a significant upgrade. That is a massive upgrade. I’m not gonna argue with you on the draft picks because that’s subjective to what you believe because I saw Austin jackson anywhere from 15 to 25 by the time the NFL draft came around. I think Daniel Jerimiah had him inside the top 20. So i disagree it was a reach. 

Watson might be running for his life pre-tunsil but they won 11 games when he was doing so in 2018 with a defense statistically that matches up to what the Dolphins did last year. Combine that with his rookie year they were 14-8 in those starts. Pretty good considering 6 starts he was a rookie QB and he legitimately had the worst oline in the league. It wasn’t just their defense because when he got hurt his rookie year when his oline was ranked 32nd by pff it went down the crapper and they were solid to good with him out there at 3-3 with him as the starter. They finished 4-12 without him. 

At this point we are just not going to see eye to eye. So I’m just going to move on cause we are just going to go around in circles about this.