1 minute ago, austinfan said:

We missed on some, traded a bunch of picks to win now, and had a coaching staff that wasn't good at developing players.

Water under the bridge. Got the SB, live with the lumps. Now we're in the next chapter of the "never ending story."

Right now we're seeing which kids are keepers and which are dubious.

There have been 4 drafts since the 2017 season. This team has 0 depth at any position and still aging superstars. 

13 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Howie. 

sarchasm

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

We missed on some, traded a bunch of picks to win now, and had a coaching staff that wasn't good at developing players.

Water under the bridge. Got the SB, live with the lumps. Now we're in the next chapter of the "never ending story."

Right now we're seeing which kids are keepers and which are dubious.

2016 - 2019 drafts we had 26 selections.  If you had the standard 1 selection each in rounds 1-7, you would have 28 selections.

The issue is not a lack of selections, it is missing so many.  You got 5 starters from 4 drafts.  You have multiple 1st and 2nd round picks that are failures.  

That is not a rebuild issue, that is a Howie is bad at drafting issue.

17 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Honestly Im not trying to sound like a negative guy here but I have the Eagles winning 4-5 games. 
 

Aside from the lack of depth (I may get killed for this) Sirianni already has me thinking he’s in over his head. Sure I’m probably rushing judgment but something doesn’t seem right to me with Sirianni. 

Just my opinion, but its probably because we aren't seeing Sirianni. He doesn't even know if he'll get control over gameday inactives, there's multiple times he's been asked a coaching question that he answered in some way with "conversations with Howie", he preaches competition but then doesn't compete in games etc. There's people above him telling him what to do.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

That's terrible. I mean it seemed like he was the 5th TE but that's not good.  

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

How are we ever going to replace that 1 snap, 1 TD production?

7 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I mean does any fan who pays to go see preseason games think it's going to be a great game?

I'd hope most fans know it will be a bad, sloppy game. It's basically a glorified practice.  I watched the 1st half of the game and it seemed awful quiet even at the start of the game when they got 1st downs.  Was there many fans even there at the game? I'm not sure.

It was about 3/4 full. Maybe 10% were rooting for the Patriots. Seemed like about 25-40% were Steelers fans the week before. 

12 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Multiple years of bad drafting.  When you have 26 players selected over 4 drafts, and have 5 starters and zero depth guys to show for it, you are always rebuilding.

When 16 of those guys are no longer on the roster, and several others time appears to be short, that is not good, and the reason you are forced to rebuild.

Teams that draft well can reload, we are having to build from the foundation up.

Teams that draft well tend to have a lot of high draft picks. Most of the players off the roster from those drafts were late round picks:

2016:  Smallwood (153), Vaitai (164), Countess (196), Mills (233), McAlister (240), Walker (251)

2017:  Jones (43), Douglas (99), Hollins (118), Pumphrey (132), Gibson (166), Gerry (184), Qualls (214)

2018: 

2019:  Miller (138), Thorson (167)

(2) in the top 100, (3) 100-149; (10) after #150

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Dillard isn't old, he's a missed draft pick by your uncle Howie

Can’t miss this badly on a player you spent three picks on. The whole process of not expecting him to be there, not spending much time studying him and then frantically digging for info on draft day and having Stoutland get him for 30 minutes was something real amateur ish. 

That goes for Howie and Joe’s crew. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just my opinion, but its probably because we aren't seeing Sirianni. He doesn't even know if he'll get control over gameday inactives, there's multiple times he's been asked a coaching question that he answered in some way with "conversations with Howie", he preaches competition but then doesn't compete in games etc. 

Sad to say but I get a Jason Garrett vibe from him. A puppet who claps and chest bumps his guys but doesn’t really have any say or know what’s going on. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just my opinion, but its probably because we aren't seeing Sirianni. He doesn't even know if he'll get control over gameday inactives, there's multiple times he's been asked a coaching question that he answered in some way with "conversations with Howie", he preaches competition but then doesn't compete in games etc. 

I doubt control over game day inactives impacts him.  I think we are seeing Sirianni's disdain for the pre-season.  I think he is adamant about keeping schemes and plays under wraps.  I mean I don't really think we are learning much about him except that he's concerned about pre-season injuries.  He also wants to keep teams guessing about schemes.  As for competing in games, they haven't played any real games and by all accounts he holds the team accountable for competing in practices.  

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

I feel sorry for the fans that paid money to witness that abomination.

 

The recent vibe from the Eagles' FO is that they don't seem to think that they owe the fans anything.  

That's the issue.   Tickets to that would indicate that it should be viewed the same as a regular season game.  

 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Most people don't pay much or anything for preseason tickets.

Season ticket owners are charged for those games, but it's just a hidden increase of the price of real tickets. Like those low cost car leases with the upfront payment in small print. You have to prorate the hidden charge to find the true average cost of a game ticket (monthly lease cost for the car).

It would be nice if they actually marketed it that way... free preseason tickets if you buy season tickets at 'x' price.   Or, forget about filling the stadium with paid attendees, but donate the tickets to local boys and girls clubs to bring kids to the 'games' that don't normally have a chance to ever see a game in person.  That would be a much better way to market those games and not create this situation where the NFL portrays its a 'quality' product worthy of that price tag, and yet the individual teams treat it like a root canal that they just have to get through as painlessly as possible.

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

sarchasm

Is the h sarcasm too?

1 minute ago, jwill2420 said:

Sad to say but I get a Jason Garrett vibe from him. A puppet who claps and chest bumps his guys but doesn’t really have any day or know what’s going on. 

Never liked the hiring. Unless this guy wins I’m not a fan of him

26 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It's possible they wanted to see how many of the back ups could effectively fill in as starters.  I don't think it's a matter of not caring.  They're not playing to win. The coaches should be looking to evaluate and to have players get experience.  I think they definitely want the team to compete but it's clear there's a lack of talent.  

Definitely clear there is a lack of talent, this is two weeks in a row where the backups have just been utterly pushed around by other backups, it's tough to watch and I imagine the concluding evaluation would be that the players aren't very good 

25 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Why is it a rebuild?

Everyone here is on board for a rebuild.

HOWEVER....

We signed Nelson, Wilson, Harris, Flacco, etc. They're one year deals, but we could have banked cap space and just played Taylor instead of Wilson, Wallace instead of Harris, McPhearson instead of Nelson, etc.

We're trying to win the division.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Teams that draft well tend to have a lot of high draft picks. Most of the players off the roster from those drafts were late round picks:

2016:  Smallwood (153), Vaitai (164), Countess (196), Mills (233), McAlister (240, Walker (251)

2017:  Jones (43), Douglas (99), Hollins (118), Pumphrey (132), Gibson (166), Gerry (184), Qualls (214)

2018: 

2019:  Miller (138), Thorson (167)

2020:  Wanogho (210), Toohill (233)

(2) in the top 100, (3) 100-149; (12) after #150

Not sure what your point is, especially when you have been telling us all off season Howie's success, and how important late round picks and UDFA's are to roster building.

Seems like you are telling us that Howie failed at the thing you said he was good at.

Now lets look at the top picks from those drafts.

2016 - Wentz ( gone )

2017 - Barnett ( has not lived up to his draft slot, and it looks like they may not even give him an extension )

2018 - Goedert ( future starter, but gets injured to much for what he is going to want in a contract extension )

2019 - Dillard ( well on his way to massive bust ) Sanders ( see above about Goedert ) JJAWful ( bust and should not make the roster )

2020 - Reagor ( drafted to be the #1, had to then use a top 10 pick the following year to draft the #1 ) Hurts ( TBD )

No matter how you try and slant it, early picks, late picks, Howie has failed to build the roster from the 2016 - 2019 drafts.

6 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

There have been 4 drafts since the 2017 season. This team has 0 depth at any position and still aging superstars. 

I think we've been over this before.  I am willing to put this criticism aside through the first quarter of the season.  I think we will know early on what this team is and capable of doing.  They apparently had 2 very good practices against the Patriots.  That got my hopes up and I would have liked to see some of that last night.  Instead we got trash and  Flacco looking like the worst backup the team has had since Mike McMahon.  I am going to keep reading the camp notes but I have no real idea what to expect until they line up against the Falcons.  

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I doubt control over game day inactives impacts him.  I think we are seeing Sirianni's disdain for the pre-season.  I think he is adamant about keeping schemes and plays under wraps.  I mean I don't really think we are learning much about him except that he's concerned about pre-season injuries.  He also wants to keep teams guessing about schemes.  As for competing in games, they haven't played any real games and by all accounts he holds the team accountable for competing in practices.  

Just giving instances where it all goes back to one person, Howie. Would it be a shock if all these "veteran days off" or "1-2 series for starter/no starters playing at all" weren't actually coaching decisions but from some analytical nerd who has bed sheet fort sleepovers with Luries son? I wouldn't be surprised. 

Taking it a step further, I wonder if McDaniels was actually offered the job but didn't want to deal with all the BS and said no. That wouldn't surprise me at all. Daboll didn't even bother interviewing here and would rather be an OC. These should all be red flags.

33 minutes ago, greend said:

 

You need to make up your mind

That is called situational football .

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Everyone here is on board for a rebuild.

HOWEVER....

We signed Nelson, Wilson, Harris, Flacco, etc. They're one year deals, but we could have banked cap space and just played Taylor instead of Wilson, Wallace instead of Harris, McPhearson instead of Nelson, etc.

We're trying to win the division.

We’re retooling. Lol

13 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Sounds like Hurts had the Squirts after all.  Need to get him work with @hputenis and @EaglePhan1986 on being able to stomach rot gut food.   That must be the stuff that requires no talent that NS was talking about.  

This is actually one of my fantasy football team names. Replace had with has. 😂

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

2016 - 2019 drafts we had 26 selections.  If you had the standard 1 selection each in rounds 1-7, you would have 28 selections.

The issue is not a lack of selections, it is missing so many.  You got 5 starters from 4 drafts.  You have multiple 1st and 2nd round picks that are failures.  

That is not a rebuild issue, that is a Howie is bad at drafting issue.

Agree. How do you feel the Jets have done since Douglas went there? 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Definitely clear there is a lack of talent, this is two weeks in a row where the backups have just been utterly pushed around by other backups, it's tough to watch and I imagine the concluding evaluation would be that the players aren't very good 

I think there were some bright spots like Milton Williams again.  I think Zech McPhearson looked like a rookie who is a long way from starting.  I though K'von Wallace had one nice play but may have blown the coverage on one of the TDs.  The number 1 WRs played well despite some drops from Smith.  Gainwell looked pretty good. The QB play was awful.  Flacco should be cut.  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just giving instances where it all goes back to one person, Howie. Would it be a shock if all these "veteran days off" or "1-2 series for starter/no starters playing at all" weren't actually coaching decisions but from some analytical nerd who has bed sheet fort sleepovers with Luries son? I wouldn't be surprised. 

Taking it a step further, I wonder if McDaniels was actually offered the job but didn't want to deal with all the BS and said no. That wouldn't surprise me at all. Daboll didn't even bother interviewing here and would rather be an OC. These should all be red flags.

I still remember when no one wanted to work with Howie, and then we hired Chip Kelly. 
 

People just love to hate.